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On 7/6/2021 at 3:29 PM, WA Demon Boy said:

Surely you're joking...

Clarkson is there next year too?

What if we make it to the GF or Prelim this year or next year?

Goodwin has done an awesome job this year and I for one have liked seeing him develop

Plus he's still so young. Maybe look at Clarko after that but every club will be throwing the kitchen sink at him next year 

GF this year? Geez, not sure how much footy you've been watching recently.

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15 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

My comment on 3=4 wins was based on recent history shows 15 wins plus good %'age is a top 4 result.  16 wins is better.  Doesn't matter which games we win.

As it is Bulldogs and Lions will probably finish top 2 and one of Demons, Geelong or Port will miss the top 4.

It absolutely does matter which games we win.

As I said, if we beat GC, Hawthorn, Adelaide and West Coast, we will finish on 16-6, but we will have given up wins to the Dogs, Geelong and Port in the process.

With their comparatively easier runs home, each can get to 16 (or more) if they beat us, and can pass us on percentage.

But if we beat the three good sides and West Coast, we still finish on 16-6 but each of our competitors finishes with one fewer win.

The point is this: if we're going to split our games 3-4 or 4-3, we're better off beating the good sides and not the bad ones.

 

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1 hour ago, titan_uranus said:

It absolutely does matter which games we win.

As I said, if we beat GC, Hawthorn, Adelaide and West Coast, we will finish on 16-6, but we will have given up wins to the Dogs, Geelong and Port in the process.

With their comparatively easier runs home, each can get to 16 (or more) if they beat us, and can pass us on percentage.

But if we beat the three good sides and West Coast, we still finish on 16-6 but each of our competitors finishes with one fewer win.

The point is this: if we're going to split our games 3-4 or 4-3, we're better off beating the good sides and not the bad ones.

imv it is unlikely the top 4 will be decided by 16 wins plus %'age but it could happen.

As I've said all along imv 15 wins +%'age or 16 wins will be need to make top 4 and one of Demons, Geelong, or Port will miss top 4 (unless Bulldogs or Lions implode).  

My basic point was if we miss top 4 and go out in the elim, however the ladder develops.

Re the second part of the post (not quoted), are you satisfied that I have been consistent, since last December, expecting us to go deep into the finals and I wasn't being unfair yesterday? 

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36 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

imv it is unlikely the top 4 will be decided by 16 wins plus %'age but it could happen.

As I've said all along imv 15 wins +%'age or 16 wins will be need to make top 4 and one of Demons, Geelong, or Port will miss top 4 (unless Bulldogs or Lions implode).  

My basic point was if we miss top 4 and go out in the elim, however the ladder develops.

Re the second part of the post (not quoted), are you satisfied that I have been consistent, since last December, expecting us to go deep into the finals and I wasn't being unfair yesterday? 

Have you done the ladder predictor Luci?  I think minimum 16-6 is required, might even take 17-5.  But I also think if we win tonight we'll just about be a lock.

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16 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

We could win a grand final this year and I think you'd still question the club old.

It's in your DNA.

 

 

Hmm you may well you mean me DD but you are telling swyl. Or vice versa 

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2 hours ago, old dee said:

Hmm you may well you mean me DD but you are telling swyl. Or vice versa 

Lol. or maybe it's in the clubs DNA to disappoint everyone. 

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4 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

imv it is unlikely the top 4 will be decided by 16 wins plus %'age but it could happen.

As I've said all along imv 15 wins +%'age or 16 wins will be need to make top 4 and one of Demons, Geelong, or Port will miss top 4 (unless Bulldogs or Lions implode).  

My basic point was if we miss top 4 and go out in the elim, however the ladder develops.

Re the second part of the post (not quoted), are you satisfied that I have been consistent, since last December, expecting us to go deep into the finals and I wasn't being unfair yesterday? 

It's actually quite likely that 16-6 will be the cut off for top 4, given the evenness of the current top 5 (everyone already on 11-4 or better) and the ease of the other four sides' runs home.

Our best (and possibly only) chance of making it on 15-7 is to win games against our competitors for that top 4 spot. Conversely, winning games against the other sides we play from here might not be enough if our top 4 competitors win more games than us. So contrary to what you said a few posts back, it absolutely does matter who we beat in our run home.

As to the rest, sure, you've shown you've said since December that your pass mark is a deep finals run. In your original post you said it would be inexcusable to miss the top 4 after our start, which reads like you're basing your views on our season off the start to it. But as I said, if you've held that view since pre-season, you're entitled to maintain that view.

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14 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

This is my response to everyone on this thread still questioning Goody and wanting Clarkson.

*Take away the Collingwood name..

 

Always showing up after a win and nowhere to be seen after Goodwin cops a masterclass from an opponent.

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4 minutes ago, olisik said:

Always showing up after a win and nowhere to be seen after Goodwin cops a masterclass from an opponent.

Go troll somewhere else.

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12 minutes ago, olisik said:

Always showing up after a win and nowhere to be seen after Goodwin cops a masterclass from an opponent.

Look who’s talking. You’re the polar opposite, and not in a good way. Always showing up after a loss to pot the coach but almost nowhere to be seen after every single W. 

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Excellent coaching display last night. Port had no answers.

We have a great mix with Yze, Chocco and Goody. It's working so i've my fingers crossed this coaching team can stay together. I'm a big Clarkson fan but the pies can have him. 

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6 hours ago, nacnud said:

Look who’s talking. You’re the polar opposite, and not in a good way. Always showing up after a loss to pot the coach but almost nowhere to be seen after every single W. 

Self awareness isn’t The Anti-Oracle’s strong suit

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On 7/7/2021 at 4:29 PM, Sir Why You Little said:

You are making excuses for a poor end to the season (that thankfully hasn’t happened yet), but all those hard games are against sides we could easily play in September 

We SHOULD be playing them at the MCG, but if we flatline and limp into the finals, then we could be shunted anywhere. 
We have only played one 4 Quarter game this year, against the dogs in an empty stadium. 
A lot of work is still to be done before September 

 

On 7/7/2021 at 12:36 PM, old dee said:

Our three losses have been to teams that will not play finals. Does not look good to me.

 

On 7/8/2021 at 2:38 AM, Dr.D said:

GF this year? Geez, not sure how much footy you've been watching recently.

... but the caravan rolls along

It's been a long time since a team went through the whole season undefeated.

Here's the H&A record of the last 9 Premiership winners:

2020 Richmond 12-1-4
2019 Richmond 16-6
2018 West Coast 16-6
2017 Richmond 15-7
2016 Western 15-7
2015 Hawthorn 16-6
2014 Hawthorn 17-5
2013 Hawthorn 19-3
2012 Sydney 16-6

We've lost 3 games by a total of 27 points so far, we probably should have won against GWS but for some poor conversion in the last quarter and I'm taking the moral victory against Adelaide where the umpires admitted they got the deliberate out of bounds wrong.

It's not possible to bring maximum heat for 25 matches, we need to bring it in the crunch games against contenders and we have.  Guess what - we're going to lose again this year - probably more than once - get your heads around it!

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Goodwin hasn't been outcoached at any stage in 2021 in my opinion, our losses have been to do with us being flat, it's not a reflection of our game plan, or ability to compete against the best. 

we're still the best team in it, the Lions are the only team good enough to stop us. 

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1.  The players love him. Which has resulted in massive long term re-signings of wonderful players.

2.   We are in the top two in the ladder and deserve to be.

3.   Every commentator everywhere compliments our defensive setup and structure and how well-drilled and disciplined it is - which is 100% down to the coach.

 

Why do we still have this thread?

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22 minutes ago, Dwight Schrute said:

Goodwin hasn't been outcoached at any stage in 2021 in my opinion, our losses have been to do with us being flat, it's not a reflection of our game plan, or ability to compete against the best. 

we're still the best team in it, the Lions are the only team good enough to stop us. 

It's all based on our defence. They have been extraordinary and kept us in every game. But you can't keep relying on them every single week if others arent working hard.

Our mids have been off and our fwd line dysfunctional. Pressure was non-existent recently

Last night was a huge turnaround. We started strongly and won every qtr for the first time this year.

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The reactionists look a little foolish as they have for most of the season.

But they will be back when a form slump returns, they never learn

The facts don’t lie, 2019 under Goodwin was the only season there was no improvement on the previous season 

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1 hour ago, jnrmac said:

It's all based on our defence. They have been extraordinary and kept us in every game. But you can't keep relying on them every single week if others arent working hard.

Our mids have been off and our fwd line dysfunctional. Pressure was non-existent recently

Last night was a huge turnaround. We started strongly and won every qtr for the first time this year.

I think you can, our defense is our strength, that's what is going to be our strength in finals. if we're defending, and our pressure is up (which it always is against top 8 sides) it's going to take an incredible performance to beat us. 

the forward line not quite clicking is correct, but we looked MUCH better with Ben Brown in there last night, and it shows the significant upside that we still have that we haven't quite been at our best in 2 key areas but still sit 13-3, on top and having beaten every other serious contender, and on the most part beaten them fairly comfortably. 

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1 minute ago, Dwight Schrute said:

I think you can, our defense is our strength, that's what is going to be our strength in finals. if we're defending, and our pressure is up (which it always is against top 8 sides) it's going to take an incredible performance to beat us. 

the forward line not quite clicking is correct, but we looked MUCH better with Ben Brown in there last night, and it shows the significant upside that we still have that we haven't quite been at our best in 2 key areas but still sit 13-3, on top and having beaten every other serious contender, and on the most part beaten them fairly comfortably. 

I'm talking our back 6. We were defending against Collingwood North and GWS - Even Steven May has said you can't keep defending like that all the time.

Our mids provided little pressure last week until the final qtr. That is way too much pressure on our back 6. They will keep us in games for long periods but eventually they get overwhelmed unless the whole team is defending, like last night.

 

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Just now, jnrmac said:

I'm talking our back 6. We were defending against Collingwood North and GWS - Even Steven May has said you can't keep defending like that all the time.

Our mids provided little pressure last week until the final qtr. That is way too much pressure on our back 6. They will keep us in games for long periods but eventually they get overwhelmed unless the whole team is defending, like last night.

 

you can't, i agree, but we've won 13 games.. so the evidence is pretty clear that we haven't had to, i know the club won't admit to this, but if Burgo has had them on a high training block, it makes sense that they've been a little bit flat and off with pressure. glad to see it was back, and hopefully it stays that way

 

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