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22 hours ago, JimmyGadson said:

Goody, in his presser, said that the break had probably come at a good time "after a result like that". 

You're the one interpreting that answer as the team being tired. 

I'm not going to go through your survey of questions, maybe I should have been more clear in what I was trying to say so I'll try again. 

You said the players were looking and playing tired. 

I agree. But I don't think that it was because we were any more physically or mentally tired than the opposition. One could argue that the week they had would have been far more mentally taxing on their club and players. 

Another argument is that we have a superior head of fitness and therefore a greater level of fitness across our playing list with more effective weekly planned training/recovery throughout the week. We also had a ten day turnaround which is ample recovery time. 

It's more about what your comments infer and I get that soft underbelly of the Melbourne football club feeling when I read it. So perhaps I'm easily triggered. 

Bingo - I think we all worry about one outcome of a game, being meaningful of something mores systemic when it's a loss, and particularly moreso, with our lenses of been Melbourne supporters over x amount of years. Years and years of failure, and being let down, heighten our sensitivity to a loss, when we as individuals 'expect' to win against a certain opposition. And there is still a myriad of factors each week that change for the team and individuals (including the one's listed (lazy aint one of em)), that will influence an outcome of a match.

I'm bullish about our team now - the system seems to work consistently, there is clearly player buy in, the list demographic is great, and there are still things to refine. But losses will happen, its a tighter and tougher competition than people give credit.

As Toto, once sang 'Hold the line.... success isn't always on time'

 

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44 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

? parish 37 and Merrett 41 

They got heaps of touches, but many of those were in the backline where it doesn't hurt us and a lot of them were from chipping and handballing trying to find a way through.

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1 hour ago, spirit of norm smith said:

? de goey 32 and Pendlebury 31 

? parish 37 and Merrett 41 

too many mids getting too much of the footy 

we need to work out how to stop key midfield ball winners 

SG time to go to work. 

Simple. Drop Oliver and Petracca and get some stoppers in there…..

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1 hour ago, spirit of norm smith said:

? de goey 32 and Pendlebury 31 

? parish 37 and Merrett 41 

too many mids getting too much of the footy 

we need to work out how to stop key midfield ball winners 

SG time to go to work. 

You've had some consistently horrible takes in this thread mate.

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SG. HOMEWORK FOR THIS WEEK. 

1- Kelly and Taranto were both best on ground in my view. Had to shut down Kelly.  Oliver v Kelly was a bad matchup 

2- we needed Ben Brown in.  A key forward target was desperately needed. 

3- our spare man behind the footy didn’t work. The Giants won the contested footy with the extra man on and around the contest. 

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We have been ordinary for 5 weeks and the wins have papered over the cracks.Goodwin strikes me as an incredibly stubborn person. We’ve seen it for a few years. He trusts in his game plan so much. The scoring had been dropping right off for weeks. The centre clearances have been an issue.he was not proactive enough in having a look at something different. Backed in Weideman for weeks based on nothing.

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39 minutes ago, Kick_It_To_Pickett said:

We have been ordinary for 5 weeks and the wins have papered over the cracks.Goodwin strikes me as an incredibly stubborn person. We’ve seen it for a few years. He trusts in his game plan so much. The scoring had been dropping right off for weeks. The centre clearances have been an issue.he was not proactive enough in having a look at something different. Backed in Weideman for weeks based on nothing.

The wins over the Dogs and Lions were ordinary were they, the las 3 games haven't gone as expected and there now need to be some changes made in game style and personnel, nothing drastic. I think you may find that clearances have been that way most of the year and sides have won premierships without winning centre clearances.

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I am no Goodwin fan, but he has a great connection with this group, and all big names have signed singing his praises. I think Goodwin saw his deficiencies in his coaching and astutely outsourced much of it. I think he has the right people around him, but I don’t believe they are placed in the best positions. Yze for example, he is our midfield coach, which is an area of the game most important. We get smashed in there. Goodwin brings in Yze, puts him in charge of the midfield, and Yze has really limited experience. It’s little surprising we are getting seriously embarrassed in the midfield clearances. We have the best tap ruck in the past 20 years, the cleanest hands in the game in Oliver, yet we waste it all in the middle. As a result we are always on the back foot and Lever and May have to do far more work than they otherwise should. 

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I love it! Everyone who has been on goody’s case for years and has had to eat humble pie (which they didn’t) is now resurfacing with complaints. We are having a minor mid-season slump and will pull out of it; we are still top or second top of the ladder; we should all be rejoicing in that.

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12 minutes ago, The heart beats true said:

Oh great! This thread is back around again. It’s so oddly quiet after a win.

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No one is stopping you posting after a win mate

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3 minutes ago, Stiff Arm said:

12W, 3L. That's the facts.

Not happy with loss vs GWS, who would be, but so far this year a big tick for Goodwin.

However, proof will be in September.

Stating the win/loss ratio is a great reason why we lost . We keep papering over the cracks and hiding behind our grinding wins. There were horrible signs in a lot of our wins, like being down at half time against north. 

My concern is that the playing group haven't kicked many goals in a long time. And it seems to be sticking. 

Also our first halves have been [censored] alll year. Goodwin hasn't sorted it out. Although that's on the players too. Letting a GWS goal in the first 30 seconds after spending all year talking about getting a better start is embarrassing.

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2 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

Stating the win/loss ratio is a great reason why we lost . We keep papering over the cracks and hiding behind our grinding wins. There were horrible signs in a lot of our wins, like being down at half time against north. 

My concern is that the playing group haven't kicked many goals in a long time. And it seems to be sticking. 

Also our first halves have been [censored] alll year. Goodwin hasn't sorted it out. Although that's on the players too. Letting a GWS goal in the first 30 seconds after spending all year talking about getting a better start is embarrassing.

Our win loss ratio points to Goodwin doing something right this year, which is what this thread is about. Wins are what it is about. The rest is talk

I get the disappointment of losing to Crows, Magpies and Giants. We are all [censored] off now

But I bet had someone told you in Feb that we'd be 12/3 at this point you'd have spilled your beans in joy

We can come back from this obstacle

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2 hours ago, olisik said:

Coaching really going to be put to the rest now that other teams have caught up on fitness as the year has gone on.

Lost 2 out of the last 3 matches. 

Oh look, our favourite loser is back.

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4 hours ago, drysdale demon said:

The wins over the Dogs and Lions were ordinary were they, the las 3 games haven't gone as expected and there now need to be some changes made in game style and personnel, nothing drastic. I think you may find that clearances have been that way most of the year and sides have won premierships without winning centre clearances.

The win against the Lions we were being smashed at half time. Finally the middle got their act together and won some ball. What else can I say…

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4 hours ago, olisik said:

No one is stopping you posting after a win mate

Wins seem to stop you posting though, don't they, O? How odd.

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38 minutes ago, Kick_It_To_Pickett said:

The win against the Lions we were being smashed at half time. Finally the middle got their act together and won some ball. What else can I say…

And we went on to win the game comfortably, but keep trying you will learn one day.

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This is not having a go at Goody, but I notice we avoid the corridor, especially going forward where we kick to the pockets. Appears to make it easy to defend turnovers, but kills forward thrust and easy set shots. 
I also noticed Clarry was goalside in centre bounces. Not sure if this has happened before, but he is better running at goal I would have thought.

Anyway, just some observations on the game and Goodys gameplan 

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