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Simply outcoached by Buckley and Harvey today.  
 

How to beat Melbourne? 
 

1- run and overlap to break the zone 

2- because MFC play a zone, you have free targets. Skill by foot will break the zone 

3- lower the eyes with inside 50 entries 

 

Goodwin needed to switch to plan B and man up their loose ball winners. They used Maynard and DEGOEY. 65 possessions between these two who controlled a lot of forward transition. 
 

Wake up call today.  Others will see the pies today and see how to break our zone.  

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38 minutes ago, olisik said:

You don’t think questions should be raised when we consistently, I repeat, consistently struggle or lose to bottom 4 sides.

okaaaaay then… :/

 

We haven't been 'consistently' struggling or losing against bottom 4 sides. If you even bothered to look at the ladder you'll find that Adelaide are out of the bottom 4. It's also worth remembering that they outclassed Geelong, another team that's considered a premiership contender. Even if some of our wins against the bottom sides have been scrappy, it's best to acknowledge that this is a very competitive season and teams will always challenge us regardless of their ladder positions.

By the way, we're yet to lose one game against a team that's close to our position on the ladder. I think that alone gives a solid indication that no questions should be raised on Goodwin. 

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25 minutes ago, olisik said:

Out at the bar on the [censored].
 

Celebrating wins by sitting behind a PC typing on online forums isn’t my style

Hahaha thanks for the laughs.

 

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4 minutes ago, Hopeful Demon said:

We haven't been 'consistently' struggling or losing against bottom 4 sides. If you even bothered to look at the ladder you'll find that Adelaide are out of the bottom 4. It's also worth remembering that they outclassed Geelong, another team that's considered a premiership contender. Even if some of our wins against the bottom sides have been scrappy, it's best to acknowledge that this is a very competitive season and teams will always challenge us regardless of their ladder positions.

By the way, we're yet to lose one game against a team that's close to our position on the ladder. I think that alone gives a solid indication that no questions should be raised on Goodwin. 

Which bottom 4 team have we not lost/struggled against?

North we were down by 20 in the 3rd Q

Hawks we only ran over in the last

Neither 4 quarter comprehensive/convincing wins.

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1 minute ago, olisik said:

Which bottom 4 team have we not lost/struggled against?

North we were down by 20 in the 3rd Q

Hawks we only ran over in the last

Neither 4 quarter comprehensive/convincing wins.

Last time I looked we don't play bottom 4 teams in the finals...

What's your problem...

We're 10 & 2, must be doing something right.

16 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Simply outcoached by Buckley and Harvey today.  
 

How to beat Melbourne? 
 

1- run and overlap to break the zone 

2- because MFC play a zone, you have free targets. Skill by foot will break the zone 

3- lower the eyes with inside 50 entries 

 

Goodwin needed to switch to plan B and man up their loose ball winners. They used Maynard and DEGOEY. 65 possessions between these two who controlled a lot of forward transition. 
 

Wake up call today.  Others will see the pies today and see how to break our zone.  

This is nearly as bad as the 'olisik' rubbish.

You've been watching and listening to far too many reactionary so called footy experts...you/they can't see past one game.

Any zone or team is broken down when they are not switched on...all the pies did was take advantage of it.

Good luck to them.

We put very little pressure on the ball carrier and played luxury footy all over the ground.

Some times players need to see the evidence.

Goody would just be waiting to hit them with it when back from the break.

Play team first, hard contested footy you win...play like a bunch of individual prima donnas you get what you got on Monday.

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Today is on the players, the leaders in particular. Our attitude was all wrong and we paid the price.

I'm looking forward to see how we respond against the bombers.

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27 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Simply outcoached by Buckley and Harvey today.  
 

How to beat Melbourne? 
 

1- run and overlap to break the zone 

2- because MFC play a zone, you have free targets. Skill by foot will break the zone 

3- lower the eyes with inside 50 entries 

 

Goodwin needed to switch to plan B and man up their loose ball winners. They used Maynard and DEGOEY. 65 possessions between these two who controlled a lot of forward transition. 
 

Wake up call today.  Others will see the pies today and see how to break our zone.  

How to beat Melbourne, hope they don’t turn up to play. Full stop. 
We have countered every single one of the above tactics this year and won against every top 8 side we’ve played against. The only games we dropped were due to poor application and poor defensive mindset. 

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21 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

He's other account @Elegt got suspended for good so now he's reverted back to this.

The sooner he's banned for good the better.

Proven time and time again he's a troll. 

Just prepare for him to disappear once Melbourne win their next game.

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10 minutes ago, Jaded said:

How to beat Melbourne, hope they don’t turn up to play. Full stop. 
We have countered every single one of the above tactics this year and won against every top 8 side we’ve played against. The only games we dropped were due to poor application and poor defensive mindset. 

Fair enough. I think we just expected to turn up today. The pies were switched on. 

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15 minutes ago, rjay said:

Last time I looked we don't play bottom 4 teams in the finals...

What's your problem...

We're 10 & 2, must be doing something right.

This is nearly as bad as the 'olisik' rubbish.

You've been watching and listening to far too many reactionary so called footy experts...you/they can't see past one game.

Any zone or team is broken down when they are not switched on...all the pies did was take advantage of it.

Good luck to them.

We put very little pressure on the ball carrier and played luxury footy all over the ground.

Some times players need to see the evidence.

Goody would just be waiting to hit them with it when back from the break.

Play team first, hard contested footy you win...play like a bunch of individual prima donnas you get what you got on Monday.

Yes we played like we had enjoyed our own bathwater.  It’s a reality check. But we need a plan B. 

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10 minutes ago, Hopeful Demon said:

Just prepare for him to disappear once Melbourne win their next game.

Of course.

We could win the flag and then lose Mad Monday and he'd still come on he saying that Goodwin needs to be sacked of the club has gone backwards because we got our dress up costumes all wrong.

The guy is a troll. Sooner mods realise this the better.

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44 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Simply outcoached by Buckley and Harvey today.  
 

How to beat Melbourne? 
 

1- run and overlap to break the zone 

2- because MFC play a zone, you have free targets. Skill by foot will break the zone 

3- lower the eyes with inside 50 entries 

 

Goodwin needed to switch to plan B and man up their loose ball winners. They used Maynard and DEGOEY. 65 possessions between these two who controlled a lot of forward transition. 
 

Wake up call today.  Others will see the pies today and see how to break our zone.  

Rubbish.

i'm sick of hearing/reading all this "we've been found out" crap when we lose.

If what you were saying were true we wouldn't be 11-2.

We lost today because we didn't work hard enough. We didn't defend the ground well enough, we didn't work hard enough at stoppages, and we didn't work hard enough to be smarter going inside 50 to avoid Moore.

This wasn't Collingwood doing some sort of masterstroke. This was us failing to be at the requisite level, a level we've shown more often than not across the first 13 games.

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I think we definitely got worked out, today. But I don’t know if this run and overlap stuff is the way to beat us. With all that run and overlap there’s bound to be turnovers where everyone has rushed forward and we’d get easy counter scores. Why were weren’t able to capitalise is beyond me.

It doesn’t matter though, just fix it. 

 

 

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1 minute ago, layzie said:

I think we definitely got worked out, today. But I don’t know if this run and overlap stuff is the way to beat us. With all that run and overlap there’s bound to be turnovers where everyone has rushed forward and we’d get easy counter scores. Why were weren’t able to capitalise is beyond me.

It doesn’t matter though, just fix it. 

 

 

Yes maybe the ball winners lost the midfield battle and didn’t put the pressure on the Collingwood mids. DEGOEY certainly played his best game for the year and seemed quicker than I’ve seen him before. I’m sure the wake up call will get analyzed to see where we failed. I was expecting our fitness to overrun them but they seemed fresher. 

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5 minutes ago, layzie said:

I think we definitely got worked out, today. But I don’t know if this run and overlap stuff is the way to beat us. With all that run and overlap there’s bound to be turnovers where everyone has rushed forward and we’d get easy counter scores. Why were weren’t able to capitalise is beyond me.

It doesn’t matter though, just fix it. 

No, we didn't.

Being beaten in stoppages and in the air isn't being "worked out", it's being outplayed. 

We were outplayed, predominantly because we didn't work hard enough.

1 minute ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Yes maybe the ball winners lost the midfield battle and didn’t put the pressure on the Collingwood mids. DEGOEY certainly played his best game for the year and seemed quicker than I’ve seen him before. I’m sure the wake up call will get analyzed to see where we failed. I was expecting our fitness to overrun them but they seemed fresher. 

As above.

If all it takes is to win the midfield battle and apply pressure, then every side when they lose gets "worked out".

Has Richmond been "worked out" by losing to West Coast?

Was Brisbane "worked out" when we beat them last week?

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throwing it out there... with finals essentially assured, this helps with planning.

Perhaps they’ve been doing a hard block of aerobic training, so more fatigued for this particular game, rather than having it easy for 10 days...which will continue over the next fortnight.

Which fits into a bigger picture of tapering before the finals in 12 weeks  
 

Just sayin... (not mine, just something i sourced of the net) volume and intensity looks pretty high right now if you’re to use it as a guide as to what may be occurring behind the scenes in training. when you ‘know’ you’re in for finals, so to speak

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2 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

We've also beaten all top 4 sides this year when challanged. Can't win every game mate. 

If anything We've been known more to beat up the bottom sides and fail to beat the top ones.

To keep things in perspective,  Richmond in 2017 lost to a lowly St Kilda by 96 points... the rest is history. 

Getting beaten in these type of games is so Melbourne. We have been doing it for a number of years.

It's largely based on attitude. You can keep your perspective.

I see a team that is world class at drinking its own bathwater. They didn't run today - the Pies uncontested game enbarrassed us.

Trac and Oliver played like millionaires and they not only blew it for themselves, they stuffed the game up for everyone else. So many of our fwd thrusts were simply turned over because these two peanuts have gottem ahead of themselves. They have got credits in the bank but we will never be consistently good if we settle for this crap from our 'leaders'.

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5 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

No, we didn't.

Being beaten in stoppages and in the air isn't being "worked out", it's being outplayed. 

We were outplayed, predominantly because we didn't work hard enough.

As above.

If all it takes is to win the midfield battle and apply pressure, then every side when they lose gets "worked out".

Has Richmond been "worked out" by losing to West Coast?

Was Brisbane "worked out" when we beat them last week?

Worked out is probably not the right term but you’d have to admit TU Collingwood came with a pretty good plan and executed well. All our defensive exits shut off and no real way to move the ball. 

I maintain I think we were worked out today, not in general though. 
 

 

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Mmm 

worked out 

or

out worked

its In the eye of the beholder 

and just on that, you sometimes get out worked not because you’re drinking your own bath water @jnrmac but due to mitigating training loads.

as well as a few other factors that the other side did very well.

And of course FD’s are loathe to talk about them. 

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1 hour ago, olisik said:

Out at the bar on the [censored].
 

Celebrating wins by sitting behind a PC typing on online forums isn’t my style

But attacking the team by sitting behind a PC typing on online forums is fine with you? I would've assumed that a part of being a proper supporter is encouraging the team when they're playing well.

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10 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

No, we didn't.

Being beaten in stoppages and in the air isn't being "worked out", it's being outplayed. 

We were outplayed, predominantly because we didn't work hard enough.

As above.

If all it takes is to win the midfield battle and apply pressure, then every side when they lose gets "worked out".

Has Richmond been "worked out" by losing to West Coast?

Was Brisbane "worked out" when we beat them last week?

Too simplistic. Completely discrediting the opposition coaching and saying the loss was down to one thing and that tactics had nothing to do with it, it's never one thing.

We were flat but the game was taken away from us.

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18 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Yes maybe the ball winners lost the midfield battle and didn’t put the pressure on the Collingwood mids. DEGOEY certainly played his best game for the year and seemed quicker than I’ve seen him before. I’m sure the wake up call will get analyzed to see where we failed. I was expecting our fitness to overrun them but they seemed fresher. 

Definitely this. We just watched so many centre bounces and waited for a Collingwood mid to get it.

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3 minutes ago, Hopeful Demon said:

But attacking the team by sitting behind a PC typing on online forums is fine with you? I would've assumed that a part of being a proper supporter is encouraging the team when they're playing well.

This is a footy forum right? Wasn’t aware all our posts needed to be roses and cherry blossoms.  Anyway let’s focus on footy rather then random posters.

This is the Goodwin thread, not the oli thread so let’s keep it on topic.

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1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

He's other account @Elegt got suspended for good so now he's reverted back to this.

The sooner he's banned for good the better.

Proven time and time again he's a troll. 

My other account? Lol wow.

Does starting rumours and making false allegations about other posters make you proud?

No need to drop that low just because you don’t agree with myself and 65% of DL posters who don’t think Goodwin is the right guy

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