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On 4/18/2018 at 11:12 AM, Nasher said:

Goodwin has won more games as coach than he has lost, 27 games in to his coaching career. He now has one belting to his name.

I want to contribute something meaningful to this thread, as no doubt others have since it's 20 pages in, but the concept that he should be under any pressure whatsoever at this stage in the journey is just effing dumb. It's just not worth the energy of any further engagement.

^ This dude knew where it was at

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On 4/27/2021 at 6:18 PM, Smokey said:

I just love how poorly this thread is ageing this year 

And I’m as guilty as anyone else here having little to no faith in Goody. I could bang on about how Yze and Choc are the difference, but the simple fact is the buck always has and always will stop with the senior coach. Goody is developing as well as any of our players are. 

Good times 

You’re less guilty than me. I’ve raised my clenched fist at the skies and shouted “Sack the coach” on many occasions the past couple of years, and I’m enormously glad to be wrong. 
 

That said, I’m not interested in any “told you so” stuff because the fact is we were pretty dreadful, and whether it’s fair or not (it’s not), the coach is the ultimately going to bear the lion’s share of the supporters ire. 
 

Obvious thing to say, but the team have improved immensely with the addition of Yze and Williams (and it must be said, Alan Richardson too) and Goodwin deserves credit for being open to that assistance. A more obstinate coach might have not embraced these additions. He has my support. The whole bloody lot of them do. 
 

I’m also digging his ground-level-coaching vibe. Old school. 

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From StatsInsider...

Current Ladder Position- 1

At the halfway point of the year, the coach of the year favourite is unquestionably Simon Goodwin. The Melbourne coach has put two straight seasons of finals absenteeism behind him, piloting the Demons to a scorching 10-1 start, already knocking off four top-8 teams in the process, which most recently included the devouring of the Bulldogs. 

Goodwin did enter season 2021 under immense pressure owing to Melbourne’s rather ordinary 2019 and 2020 campaigns, yet what's easily overlooked is that in 2018 (and in just his 2nd season as coach) he had the club in its first preliminary final in 12 years and with one of the league's youngest and least experienced squads to boot.

Just like he played, Goodwin’s coaching is a reminder that still waters run deep. In fact, calmness and attention to detail might just be enough to break a 57-year premiership drought.

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Happy to eat humble pie on this one, i didn't think he was capable of turning the team around like this. 

I thought the team was capable of this under the right coach, and i incorrectly thought that coach would be someone other than Simon Goodwin. 

Hats off to goody 

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Previously I was a No. Now I'm a Yes, and that will reasonably continue until we fail to reach our potential regularly once more. This is as it should be, I reckon.

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4 hours ago, Grr-owl said:

Previously I was a No. Now I'm a Yes, and that will reasonably continue until we fail to reach our potential regularly once more. This is as it should be, I reckon.

High standards ... 11 & 1 without a loss to any team within the 8 is the stuff of dreams.  But it's good to aim high, Grr

But even the most optimistic here were not predicting that sort of output this season

Goodwin has outdone himself when considering his approval rating here was running at about 30%

Does that mean that 70% wanted him sacked?

Reminds me of the Neeld poll when 97% approved and wanted him to continue on ... ha ha

But if people read back through the thread they'll notice that a number of people here were pointing out that the club was flailing about in a number of areas

In other words, it shouldn't have all been on Goodwin although an argument could be made that he is a better coach now anyway

But from one extreme to another?  There's a lot in between that needed to be looked at

Including the acquisition of quality assistants ... a mandatory requirement in today's footy?

Fitness bloke seems rather good too

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48 minutes ago, Macca said:

High standards ... 11 & 1 without a loss to any team within the 8 is the stuff of dreams.  But it's good to aim high, Grr

But even the most optimist here were not predicting that sort of output this season

Goodwin has outdone himself when considering his approval rating here was running at about 30%

Does that mean that 70% wanted him sacked?

Reminds me of the Neeld poll when 97% approved and wanted him to continue on ... ha ha

But if people read back through the thread they'll notice that a number of people here were pointing out that the club was flailing about in a number of areas

In other words, it shouldn't have all been on Goodwin although an argument could be made that he is a better coach now anyway

But from one extreme to another?  There's a lot in between that needed to be looked at

Including the acquisition of quality assistants ... a mandatory requirement in today's footy?

Fitness bloke seems rather good too

Agreed.

And I'd add that Burgo says the medical and performance team is the best he's ever worked with, and he added in international terms. 

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10 minutes ago, Grr-owl said:

Agreed.

And I'd add that Burgo says the medical and performance team is the best he's ever worked with, and he added in international terms. 

The team reminds me of how Collingwood in 2010 ran out games.  They looked to be running on top of the ground that year (and the year after)  Tigers & Bulldogs have followed suit

Now it is our turn ... we are really fit and it shows.  With the odd exception our 3rd quarters all season have been fabulous.  But our 3rd quarters started to improve when Roos came on board

We've now got the fitness to run all over teams regardless of the half time score.  The skills don't drop away like they used to

Mind you, we don't want to be giving a good team a half-decent lead at half time too often.

So there's a bit to work on

 

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26 minutes ago, Grr-owl said:

Agreed.

And I'd add that Burgo says the medical and performance team is the best he's ever worked with, and he added in international terms. 

Wouldn’t it be great if that fact influenced him to stay !

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In 1995 Carlton who went 20-2 inexplicably lost to St Kilda who were near the bottom of the ladder.   They went on to clean everybody else up on the way to glory.   I'm ok with the loss to Adelaide.   I think the coaching has been A++

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1 hour ago, ucanchoose said:

In 1995 Carlton who went 20-2 inexplicably lost to St Kilda who were near the bottom of the ladder.   They went on to clean everybody else up on the way to glory.   I'm ok with the loss to Adelaide.   I think the coaching has been A++

good fat punting coin towards an end of season trip, so the legend says...

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8 minutes ago, Engorged Onion said:

good fat punting coin towards an end of season trip, so the legend says...

Well they did a good job!  The lowest score of the year by the eventual premier

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Wow,  the first 50 odd pages of this thread in early 2018 carries about as much vitriol as one could witness

Pure hate & anger and from so many different people.  Then it all stops abruptly as we go on a 6 game winning streak and ultimately, finals that season

From there the vitriol and anger returns intermittently but only really after the losses.  Win and the thread goes quiet again.  Like sands through the hourglass, these are the days of the Goodwin thread

Apart from anything else it must really annoy some people that Goodwin is presiding over an 11 & 1 team.  But if we lose a few games they'll be back ... tick, tick, tick they're just biding their time

People hang on to hate like they hang on to love ha ha.  All part of the entertainment folks

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5 minutes ago, Macca said:

Wow,  the first 50 odd pages of this thread in early 2018 carries about as much vitriol as one could witness

Pure hate & anger and from so many different people.  Then it all stops abruptly as we go on a 6 game winning streak and ultimately, finals that season

From there the vitriol and anger returns intermittently but only really after the losses.  Win and the thread goes quiet again.  Like sands through the hourglass, these are the days of the Goodwin thread

Apart from anything else it must really annoy some people that Goodwin is presiding over an 11 & 1 team.  But if we lose a few games they'll be back ... tick, tick, tick they're just biding their time

People hang on to hate like they hang on to love ha ha.  All part of the entertainment folks

They’ve moved on from Goody for the time being and it’s now directed towards Weid and Melksham. Spargo also was a target for them in 19.

Weid and Melksham aren’t world beaters by any means but they are playing their role in the system.

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1 hour ago, Pennant St Dee said:

They’ve moved on from Goody for the time being and it’s now directed towards Weid and Melksham. Spargo also was a target for them in 19.

Weid and Melksham aren’t world beaters by any means but they are playing their role in the system.

Was it you that pointed out that Melksham played a negating role on McCluggage, PSD?

If so, well picked up as there is a lot we miss watching on the box.  Melksham's disposal against the Bulldogs was first rate too

Bottom line is that we need our last 6-8 players picked, all playing their role ... the good news is that we have depth players who can replace those types

Of course, our success will depend on our best 8 but that needs to be extended to 14 or so for the crunch games like finals

As long as our best players can maintain their form, we'll be hard to beat.  The only thing I'm slightly concerned about is that it's a long season so we might need to 'manage' our best players.  Some of them are in unfamiliar territory with regards to maintaining their best

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This year just shows how much Goodwin underperformed with our great list the last 2 seasons. But credit is due for him to start performing to their potential. 

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1 hour ago, Dr.D said:

This year just shows how much Goodwin underperformed with our great list the last 2 seasons. But credit is due for him to start performing to their potential. 

Ah yes, but what about the players themselves.  Lazy lot got ahead of themselves after 2018.  No one player either, more so as a collective. 

Roos made mention on arrival at the club of the player managers running the show ... which is another way of saying that the players ruled the roost.  186 anybody?

I said the same thing right here on this thread in 2019 & 2020.  Goodwin's assistants have been replaced with other more capable types as well

Following a footy team en masse represents a terrific study in human behavoir ... the best and the worst is on display (especially on the game day thread)

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46 minutes ago, Macca said:

Wow,  the first 50 odd pages of this thread in early 2018 carries about as much vitriol as one could witness

Pure hate & anger and from so many different people.  Then it all stops abruptly as we go on a 6 game winning streak and ultimately, finals that season

From there the vitriol and anger returns intermittently but only really after the losses.  Win and the thread goes quiet again.  Like sands through the hourglass, these are the days of the Goodwin thread

Apart from anything else it must really annoy some people that Goodwin is presiding over an 11 & 1 team.  But if we lose a few games they'll be back ... tick, tick, tick they're just biding their time

People hang on to hate like they hang on to love ha ha.  All part of the entertainment folks

I'm not going to go back and find my post from eons ago but I said "haters gotta hate and the only thing that will satisfy them will be a flag. I also said that will last 5mins and then they will start all their negativity for the following season. Never mind if Goody is the right guy, could you ever imagine how bad it would be having some of the posters on here as a coach or manager?

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