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You're good at making sweeping generalisations.  And yes, there's unquestionably areas where the team needs to improve.  But I don't agree with your assessment of Goodwin.  We're lucky to have him.

Our team is not "mentally weak" but there's a significant number of posters here who are and don't seem to be able to see the forest for the trees. Saturday night was bitterly disappointing - the

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10 hours ago, Deestar9 said:

Pathetic embarrassing supporter group. We have finished 9th...prelim..17th & 9th. Arguably the players that will  move us up the ladder are the three we got when we finished 17th. It’s a tough competition & we weren’t good enough this year . We were the most compromised team in terms of travelling & flying. The top 4 teams comprise of the most experienced & teams that have hardly travelled.  Just acknowledge a player group that are coming into their window ...have done the best they could & have an enormous upside. They got me through Covid ...thank  you for  that! So get a grip ... park your “I’ve been a supporter for a million years & I’ve spent / donated $ for so many years & acknowledge that MFC is the team you follow & love & stop being such cynical negative “nellies” ...it’s a bloody game of footy !!!!!!! That is me for 2020... so depressing reading comments on here 😫

yep it sure is particularly the the excuses comments

enjoy your break see you in 21

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8 hours ago, old dee said:

If you accept that last year with 5 wins was the result of a large number of injuries to good players then this year with low injuries should surely be more than 9 wins.  We are holding ground, you could even say we have regressed. Major changes are needed at the FD level because we have a ninth level lot currently. 

I was having a joke.

Dont care about the complaints. Enjoy yourselves.

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Way over 7000 posts on this topic seems slightly excessive. Never mind. Here goes.

4 years under Goodwin - one prelim final, two narrow finals misses, one second last. With our list, I'd rate it a very marginal pass. Lot of talent in the team, but too many ordinary performers. (This problem even afflicted the good Melbourne teams of the late 1980s/early 1990s: several outstanding players, but the bottom end was very average.) I thought generally we were OK this year, albeit with a good injury run. What cruelled us was the almost total loss of form of McDonald and Melksham, the two best forwards in 2018. Exposed our lack of forward firepower. - needs to be fixed.

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There is not the slightest chance Goodwin will not be coaching in 2021. Remember Jackson literally laughed at the prospect of Goody losing his job. I think they are banking on 2021 being ok and if not thaey could act with only one year remaining. I would Goody to talk with a respected footy person and confidentially explain some of his thinking and then discuss how things played out. Lots of examples. Why were the team still handball happy wheen the footy world were onto it. What were you thinking Simon, and what were you trying to do about it. He needs someone to talk the season through with who will gentlely challenge some of his thinking and help him have a more flexible mindset rather than bunker down.

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4 minutes ago, Half forward flank said:

There is not the slightest chance Goodwin will not be coaching in 2021. Remember Jackson literally laughed at the prospect of Goody losing his job. I think they are banking on 2021 being ok and if not thaey could act with only one year remaining. I would Goody to talk with a respected footy person and confidentially explain some of his thinking and then discuss how things played out. Lots of examples. Why were the team still handball happy wheen the footy world were onto it. What were you thinking Simon, and what were you trying to do about it. He needs someone to talk the season through with who will gentlely challenge some of his thinking and help him have a more flexible mindset rather than bunker down.

So you are basically saying the coach needs coaching?

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7 minutes ago, Half forward flank said:

There is not the slightest chance Goodwin will not be coaching in 2021. Remember Jackson literally laughed at the prospect of Goody losing his job. I think they are banking on 2021 being ok and if not thaey could act with only one year remaining. I would Goody to talk with a respected footy person and confidentially explain some of his thinking and then discuss how things played out. Lots of examples. Why were the team still handball happy wheen the footy world were onto it. What were you thinking Simon, and what were you trying to do about it. He needs someone to talk the season through with who will gentlely challenge some of his thinking and help him have a more flexible mindset rather than bunker down.

yes you are  right HFF but we have already tried that

we spent on Roos McCartney and Richardson

He is obvious that  Goodwin does not take advice

Goodwin is patently the wrong Guy!!

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41 minutes ago, Redlagged said:

Way over 7000 posts on this topic seems slightly excessive. Never mind. Here goes.

4 years under Goodwin - one prelim final, two narrow finals misses, one second last. With our list, I'd rate it a very marginal pass. Lot of talent in the team, but too many ordinary performers. (This problem even afflicted the good Melbourne teams of the late 1980s/early 1990s: several outstanding players, but the bottom end was very average.) I thought generally we were OK this year, albeit with a good injury run. What cruelled us was the almost total loss of form of McDonald and Melksham, the two best forwards in 2018. Exposed our lack of forward firepower. - needs to be fixed.

Well considering our 4 year plan from 2020 - 2023 was to make finals every year & win at least one gf. And considering we have pretty much had a healthy list to choose from all year, it puts Goodwin squarely in the fail camp currently. 


Gary Pert commented at the start of 2020: “We’re not here to make up the numbers. We’re not here to finish in the middle of the pack”. 

Unfortunately that’s exactly the position we’re in. And if you’re giving that a pass, you’re adding to our vicious cycle of mediocrity. 

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/demons-design-plan-to-make-finals-every-year-and-win-a-flag-by-2023-20200217-p541ot.html

 

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We didn't make finals, so it's a fail.  We can't look at it any other way no matter what excuses we want to use.  Yes, our travel schedule stunk, and we had it tougher than a few other teams who were able to make up the bottom half of the eight.  But we also had a chance to secure a finals spot by rolling two sides in the bottom eight and we couldn't get it done.  It's simply not good enough.

Goodwin has always struck me as a stubborn coach and, while I think he'll be there in 2021, we will get a fair indication of his ability to accept that changes need to be made when we have a look at what the list looks like come pre-season, and also who the assistant coaches are as well.  Other posters here have, rightly, brought the aspect up of who is in the box with Goodwin and I 100% agree that we need to change things up in there.  If the club holds on to Goodwin, and we are in a good financial position, then we should be looking to upgrade our assistant coaches over the next few months.  

The one thing I'm holding on to is that I do believe we have a talented list that is still well in its prime.  However, with things probably back to normal by next year (well, hopefully!) there should be no excuses good enough for Goodwin to save his job if we miss finals again.

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10 minutes ago, Die Hard Demon said:

Well considering our 4 year plan from 2020 - 2023 was to make finals every year & win at least one gf. And considering we have pretty much had a healthy list to choose from all year, it puts Goodwin squarely in the fail camp currently. 


Gary Pert commented at the start of 2020: “We’re not here to make up the numbers. We’re not here to finish in the middle of the pack”. 

Unfortunately that’s exactly the position we’re in. And if you’re giving that a pass, you’re adding to our vicious cycle of mediocrity. 

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/demons-design-plan-to-make-finals-every-year-and-win-a-flag-by-2023-20200217-p541ot.html

 

Reading the attached article shows Pert to be a light weight. It is as he he already had get out of jail cards ready for the knowlege we would fail to finish top eight or get a home base in 2020. He is a Salesman.

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I didn't like hearing Goodwin say we overachieved in 2018.  Looks like he is rewriting history to make 2019 not look so bad and for 2020 to look better than it was. 

I wonder if he told the Board they overachieved when he was negotiating his shiny new contract extension that we are now stuck with.  Hell no!!!

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1 minute ago, Wiseblood said:

We didn't make finals, so it's a fail.  We can't look at it any other way no matter what excuses we want to use.  Yes, our travel schedule stunk, and we had it tougher than a few other teams who were able to make up the bottom half of the eight.  But we also had a chance to secure a finals spot by rolling two sides in the bottom eight and we couldn't get it done.  It's simply not good enough.

Goodwin has always struck me as a stubborn coach and, while I think he'll be there in 2021, we will get a fair indication of his ability to accept that changes need to be made when we have a look at what the list looks like come pre-season, and also who the assistant coaches are as well.  Other posters here have, rightly, brought the aspect up of who is in the box with Goodwin and I 100% agree that we need to change things up in there.  If the club holds on to Goodwin, and we are in a good financial position, then we should be looking to upgrade our assistant coaches over the next few months.  

The one thing I'm holding on to is that I do believe we have a talented list that is still well in its prime.  However, with things probably back to normal by next year (well, hopefully!) there should be no excuses good enough for Goodwin to save his job if we miss finals again.

A well considered review Wiseblood. The only think I would disagree with a little is the quality of the list. IMO it is not a GF winning list yet. We are short of quality KPF’s. 

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1 minute ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

I didn't like hearing Goodwin say we overachieved in 2018.  Looks like he is rewriting history to make 2020 look better than it was. 

I wonder if he told the Board they overachieved when he was negotiating his shiny new contract extension that we are now stuck with.  Hell no!!!

That is the first time I think any of us have heard that from anyone at the MFC. This time last we were setting in place to play finals every year and a flag by 2023. Should go but won’t. 

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2 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

If the club holds on to Goodwin, and we are in a good financial position, then we should be looking to upgrade our assistant coaches over the next few months.  

Bennell's $50,000 drinking session probably doesn't help in that endeavour.

I'm not far off the "sack Goodwin" crew but he somehow has a winning record in 3 of this 4 seasons todate. For that reason he'll clearly survive but the club should have a finals or sacking policy for next year, unless ALL of Gawn, Petracca, Oliver, Langdon and May have injury plagued seasons.

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2 minutes ago, old dee said:

A well considered review Wiseblood. The only think I would disagree with a little is the quality of the list. IMO it is not a GF winning list yet. We are short of quality KPF’s. 

I'm glad you put 'yet' in there, OD, as I think there is still improvement to be had.  I'm bullish on our three recruits from this year, and we've seen some really good progression from a few others.

I think players like Harmes and Brayshaw can get back to their best if they are played in their right positions.  I'd love to see Harmes go to the oppositions best midfielder at the first centre bounce of Round 1, with Oliver and Trac in there with him.  

But plenty will depend on the changes we make over the summer.

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6 minutes ago, old dee said:

Does that mean you are twice as annoyed LH?

Ha, Ha.  I'm not very alert in the mornings so forget where the 'edit' button is.  Need another espresso!

Yeah, I can say I'm twice as annoyed.  We aren't fools, everyone can see he is trying to rewrite history to protect his job and take pressure off himself.  But I'd rather he man up and take ownership of the good and the bad.

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