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43 minutes ago, Hogan2014 said:

Goodwin said at his presser we need to become a ruthless & mature club .. so wtf have you been doing for the last 4 years Simon ???? 

First act of ruthlessness should be to sack the entire Footy Department. Goody, richo, Mahoney, Chaplin, Plapp, Rooke, Egan, Mathews see ya later.

Burgess can stay.

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You're good at making sweeping generalisations.  And yes, there's unquestionably areas where the team needs to improve.  But I don't agree with your assessment of Goodwin.  We're lucky to have him.

Our team is not "mentally weak" but there's a significant number of posters here who are and don't seem to be able to see the forest for the trees. Saturday night was bitterly disappointing - the

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6 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

First act of ruthlessness should be to sack the entire Footy Department. Goody, richo, Mahoney, Chaplin, Plapp, Rooke, Egan, Mathews see ya later.

Burgess can stay.

A bit harsh on Alan Richardson...only been here 1 season! I don't blame him at all.

I agree that we need to keep Burgess.

 

There definitely needs to be an external review of our football department and probably of our overall culture at the club.

 

I agree that all these other names probably need to be on the chopping block.

If we want to be ruthless, we need to actually act upon it now. I remember when Neale Daniher said it back in the early 2000s. It ended up just being words. I feel that it will be the same for Simon Goodwin.Throwing words about like that don't mean much unless you follow through.

In the end the buck stops with the Melbourne Football Club board and what they decide to do.

 

The jungle drums are certainly beating now.....

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49 minutes ago, SFebes said:

Why wasn’t Richo in the box next to him? Do we have another McCartney and Jennings scenario at play? Even though it’s all been swept under the carpet. Makes me wonder now. 

Nice observation Febes, I was thinking the same thing. Richardson next to Goody for the Saints and Sydney game and nowhere in sight tonight other than him talking to Burgess at Qtr time.

I was talking to someone recently who has put thousands of dollars in donations into the Club (think 10k last year). That sort of support gives you access to players to have a chat ( not the Saty kind of chat). He commented that  a number of players have spoken on the Goodwin; "do as I tell you approach". Some on here will ask for evidence or for me to name sources but I'm not about to throw someone under the bus. I will say; go have a look at the 3/4 time huddle and look at the player engagement with Goody's address. Then tell me he hasn't lost a significant amount of the players.

The other comment about the "approach" I would highlight is about TMac. He was told to put on 10kg this season so he could play at FF. Now I don't know who was behind that but he did that and they then threw him in the ruck and asked him to also play his old role playing high and running up and back in support. Does anyone think he is carrying to much "bulk" for that role?

It's not lost on me that TMac has a higher IQ than the entire footy dept and was the spokesperson for all the players who were against the "Commando" training session. Not sure how that would of sat with the Goodwin "My way or the Highway" approach. Watchout if TMac gets a gig at another Club that has a different approach.

I've defended Goody in the past but it's obvious he is not taking responsibility as the Senior Coach and the Club MUST recognise he cannot be in that role next year.

 

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4 minutes ago, Supreme_Demon said:

A bit harsh on Alan Richardson...only been here 1 season! I don't blame him at all.

I agree that we need to keep Burgess.

 

There definitely needs to be an external review of our football department and probably of our overall culture at the club.

 

I agree that all these other names probably need to be on the chopping block.

If we want to be ruthless, we need to actually act upon it now. I remember when Neale Daniher said it back in the early 2000s. It ended up just being words. I feel that it will be the same for Simon Goodwin.Throwing words about like that don't mean much unless you follow through.

In the end the buck stops with the Melbourne Football Club board and what they decide to do.

 

The jungle drums are certainly beating now.....

Wasn’t these foundations  put in place by Roos & Jackson ... 

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5 minutes ago, dworship said:

Nice observation Febes, I was thinking the same thing. Richardson next to Goody for the Saints and Sydney game and nowhere in sight tonight other than him talking to Burgess at Qtr time.

I was talking to someone recently who has put thousands of dollars in donations into the Club (think 10k last year). That sort of support gives you access to players to have a chat ( not the Saty kind of chat). He commented that  a number of players have spoken on the Goodwin; "do as I tell you approach". Some on here will ask for evidence or for me to name sources but I'm not about to throw someone under the bus. I will say; go have a look at the 3/4 time huddle and look at the player engagement with Goody's address. Then tell me he hasn't lost a significant amount of the players.

The other comment about the "approach" I would highlight is about TMac. He was told to put on 10kg this season so he could play at FF. Now I don't know who was behind that but he did that and they then threw him in the ruck and asked him to also play his old role playing high and running up and back in support. Does anyone think he is carrying to much "bulk" for that role?

It's not lost on me that TMac has a higher IQ than the entire footy dept and was the spokesperson for all the players who were against the "Commando" training session. Not sure how that would of sat with the Goodwin "My way or the Highway" approach. Watchout if he gets a gig at another Club that has a different approach.

I've defended Goody in the past but it's obvious he is not taking responsibility as the Senior Coach and the Club MUST recognise he cannot be in that role next year.

 

10kg for Tom Mac  sounds  crazy 

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6 minutes ago, dworship said:

Nice observation Febes, I was thinking the same thing. Richardson next to Goody for the Saints and Sydney game and nowhere in sight tonight other than him talking to Burgess at Qtr time.

I was talking to someone recently who has put thousands of dollars in donations into the Club (think 10k last year). That sort of support gives you access to players to have a chat ( not the Saty kind of chat). He commented that  a number of players have spoken on the Goodwin; "do as I tell you approach". Some on here will ask for evidence or for me to name sources but I'm not about to throw someone under the bus. I will say; go have a look at the 3/4 time huddle and look at the player engagement with Goody's address. Then tell me he hasn't lost a significant amount of the players.

The other comment about the "approach" I would highlight is about TMac. He was told to put on 10kg this season so he could play at FF. Now I don't know who was behind that but he did that and they then threw him in the ruck and asked him to also play his old role playing high and running up and back in support. Does anyone think he is carrying to much "bulk" for that role?

It's not lost on me that TMac has a higher IQ than the entire footy dept and was the spokesperson for all the players who were against the "Commando" training session. Not sure how that would of sat with the Goodwin "My way or the Highway" approach. Watchout if TMac gets a gig at another Club that has a different approach.

I've defended Goody in the past but it's obvious he is not taking responsibility as the Senior Coach and the Club MUST recognise he cannot be in that role next year.

 

Forgot to add; in relation to Febes comment about those who departed, we can add Jade Rawlings. Now he was a Coach who engaged with the players. I observed him a number of times in the stands at Casey games after he was asked to come back to the main group. He would sit with the Snr players and explain / teach what was happening out on the ground.

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After 56 years of plenty of promises some ALMOST scenarios, I must admit Same old same old

In this Covid Crazy world in Melb, was looking for some inspiration! Like most of us heavily invested, emotionally and $$$ like all too often, false promises and hopes the footy team lets us down AGAIN!

Time to find something else!

Gawd !
 

 

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1 hour ago, dworship said:

The other comment about the "approach" I would highlight is about TMac. He was told to put on 10kg this season so he could play at FF. Now I don't know who was behind that but he did that and they then threw him in the ruck and asked him to also play his old role playing high and running up and back in support. Does anyone think he is carrying to much "bulk" for that role?

definitely, and a massively stupid decision if true

his whole game was built on mobility and repeat running effort

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50 minutes ago, wizardinoz said:

He's got another 2 years to run on his contract. If that's what you think, then get used to it.

I want him to stay and for them to work on getting him right but the Watts fire-sale shows we're not above dumping unwanted players who might have something left in them for peanuts.

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39 minutes ago, Supermercado said:

I want him to stay and for them to work on getting him right but the Watts fire-sale shows we're not above dumping unwanted players who might have something left in them for peanuts.

Watts has shown he had very little left, ditto Hogan. It’s quite rare a player leaves Melbourne and continues to have any sport of career after. Melbourne has probably been one of the most astute when it comes to trading players out when they are used up. Only 3 players really come to mind in resent history who had any significant career post Melbourne those been Howe, Frawley and Stef Martin

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On 9/2/2020 at 1:47 PM, A F said:

I'm perhaps realising industrial workplace laws are tighter in certain sectors. More than mine anyway.

Things being tighter in certain sectors and Hervey Weinstein is a tough combo at the mo....

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2 hours ago, Garbo said:

Watts has shown he had very little left, ditto Hogan. It’s quite rare a player leaves Melbourne and continues to have any sport of career after. Melbourne has probably been one of the most astute when it comes to trading players out when they are used up. Only 3 players really come to mind in resent history who had any significant career post Melbourne those been Howe, Frawley and Stef Martin

I don’t know about astute, we just have average footballers in the worst team so when they go to other teams they are an average footballer in a better team.

Frawley and Howe walked, Hogan pretty much did. Martin got better when he left but we had/have Gawn. 

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5 hours ago, dworship said:

Nice observation Febes, I was thinking the same thing. Richardson next to Goody for the Saints and Sydney game and nowhere in sight tonight other than him talking to Burgess at Qtr time.

I was talking to someone recently who has put thousands of dollars in donations into the Club (think 10k last year). That sort of support gives you access to players to have a chat ( not the Saty kind of chat). He commented that  a number of players have spoken on the Goodwin; "do as I tell you approach". Some on here will ask for evidence or for me to name sources but I'm not about to throw someone under the bus. I will say; go have a look at the 3/4 time huddle and look at the player engagement with Goody's address. Then tell me he hasn't lost a significant amount of the players.

The other comment about the "approach" I would highlight is about TMac. He was told to put on 10kg this season so he could play at FF. Now I don't know who was behind that but he did that and they then threw him in the ruck and asked him to also play his old role playing high and running up and back in support. Does anyone think he is carrying to much "bulk" for that role?

It's not lost on me that TMac has a higher IQ than the entire footy dept and was the spokesperson for all the players who were against the "Commando" training session. Not sure how that would of sat with the Goodwin "My way or the Highway" approach. Watchout if TMac gets a gig at another Club that has a different approach.

I've defended Goody in the past but it's obvious he is not taking responsibility as the Senior Coach and the Club MUST recognise he cannot be in that role next year.

 

Jeeper's did McDonald know it was suppose to be 10kg of muscle? not fat?

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6 hours ago, Hogan2014 said:

10kg for Tom Mac  sounds  crazy 

We'll make you into a Tom Hawkins that can't actually move because you are carrying 10 more kg on already dodgy ankles.

Astounding!!

Recall similar thing happened with Scott Wynd after winning brownlow....Doggies wanted him to bulk up to compete with bigger monsters but he was never the same.

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7 hours ago, Mel Bourne said:

I’m a bit skittish about doing a list overhaul at this stage. I just can’t see us landing the kind of players we need, after our coffers are all dry from paying out Goodwin, coupled with being the opposite of a destination club. 

A few do have to go though. 

The list need only a tweak imo but the COACHES need to get the FLICK big time and before next season. 
 

We need an experienced coach. 

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7 hours ago, dworship said:

Nice observation Febes, I was thinking the same thing. Richardson next to Goody for the Saints and Sydney game and nowhere in sight tonight other than him talking to Burgess at Qtr time.

I was talking to someone recently who has put thousands of dollars in donations into the Club (think 10k last year). That sort of support gives you access to players to have a chat ( not the Saty kind of chat). He commented that  a number of players have spoken on the Goodwin; "do as I tell you approach". Some on here will ask for evidence or for me to name sources but I'm not about to throw someone under the bus. I will say; go have a look at the 3/4 time huddle and look at the player engagement with Goody's address. Then tell me he hasn't lost a significant amount of the players.

The other comment about the "approach" I would highlight is about TMac. He was told to put on 10kg this season so he could play at FF. Now I don't know who was behind that but he did that and they then threw him in the ruck and asked him to also play his old role playing high and running up and back in support. Does anyone think he is carrying to much "bulk" for that role?

It's not lost on me that TMac has a higher IQ than the entire footy dept and was the spokesperson for all the players who were against the "Commando" training session. Not sure how that would of sat with the Goodwin "My way or the Highway" approach. Watchout if TMac gets a gig at another Club that has a different approach.

I've defended Goody in the past but it's obvious he is not taking responsibility as the Senior Coach and the Club MUST recognise he cannot be in that role next year.

 

What is your source on TMac being told to bulk up? How much heavier is he this year than last?

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1 minute ago, Fat Tony said:

What is your source on TMac being told to bulk up? How much heavier is he this year than last?

Not sure how much heavier, but he’s at least 80% slower, which is saying something when he was already as fast as a turtle in quicksand. 
Is that his weight? His body? His foot? His age? I dunno. It’s bad. He always made up for his lack of speed with aerobic capacity and a bit of agility. Both now seem gone too. 

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Let's not waste money sacking the coach and paying him out. Put that money to use and get better line coaches. Time to move them on. A skills coach is a non negotiable.  No more are we a club that continues with  poor skills. Enough. Address it. Get the best and make it a part of the MFC. Other teams , especially top 8 teams have sublime skills. 

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So Simon says 

- we failed to connect into forward 50 

- we are learning 

- we have to be ruthless

- we have to be unconditional

- we have to be prepared for every match 

Well that’s your role !!! 
 

But honestly Simon , can we be truthful and not speak in riddles 

have to applaud our contested footy in the midfield (that’s plan A) 

BUT THEN 

- Our skills again let us down especially our footskills are sub AFL standard 

- we overused the handball and put our Teammates under pressure 

- we kicked it wide and to the pockets when we needed to attack 

- we got nothing out of our small forwards on a night for crumbing packs 

- our decision making is poor and make crucial turnover mistakes 

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8 minutes ago, zeldacat said:

Let's not waste money sacking the coach and paying him out. Put that money to use and get better line coaches. Time to move them on. A skills coach is a non negotiable.  No more are we a club that continues with  poor skills. Enough. Address it. Get the best and make it a part of the MFC. Other teams , especially top 8 teams have sublime skills. 

Nah. Line coaches aside, what has Goodwin achieved in 4 years? Does he motivate the players? Rev them up and inspire them when needed? Give them a constructive plan? Have you ever seen him do anything or show emotion in the box? He’s had a few of the best beside him in that time, Rawlings, Jennings, McCartney etc....they all left, why you ask? Because Simon thinks he’s better than he is and he’s totally out of his depth. A poor appointment to start with years ago and even poorer to extend after a run on into finals. Club believed their own bath water badly, but the same issues now were all there in 17 and 18, that’s for sure. Changing assistants to someone who can’t coach and doesn’t listen will just be more of the same, that is clear.

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