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You're good at making sweeping generalisations.  And yes, there's unquestionably areas where the team needs to improve.  But I don't agree with your assessment of Goodwin.  We're lucky to have him.

Our team is not "mentally weak" but there's a significant number of posters here who are and don't seem to be able to see the forest for the trees. Saturday night was bitterly disappointing - the

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8 hours ago, picket fence said:

You are of ur Nut!!!! Brayshaw maybe, T Mac is no good, but OLIVER is a dual B& F and all Australian.MFC /Goodwin have a lot to answer for as he is now in the ABYSS

If he cannot improve his disposal both by hand and by foot, particularly by foot, then we should trade him while he has currency. So much of the modern game is disposal based, we have Viney- we can’t have Oliver too. Don’t care about B&Fs. We are so far off the mark to being a good consistent team.. we need to make tough calls.

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8 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

Get the boys club of Goodwin and Mahoney out and it shows a losing culture won't be accepted and nor will cliques that hurt team chemistry.

 

Really think we need someone of the Clarkson, Roos, Woosha mould, reason being they will come in with a proven plan, and team of staff, I think the Dees have got together a bunch of 'nice guys'

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Its a sinking ship.

Like it or not the writing is on the wall for Goody.

Ultimately the coach must go down with it.

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The great debate: Was 2018 or 2019 the aberration year?

No doubt now!

2019 injuries were a valid reason for our poor year and not making finals.  But injuries alone didn't cause our 17th position.  They just papered over the faults. 

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9 hours ago, Dr.D said:

Tonight was the first time where I thought Goodwin isnt solely to blame.

It's not his fault players are vfl reserves standard. It's not just the skills, it's low footy IQ. How many times did a left footed port Adelaide player collect the ball and melbourne players fell for their right side fake. [censored] stupid!

 

We need to stop drafting athletes, and start drafting footballers. Oliver is the last genuine footballer we drafted and he is now in his fifth season.

I don't know how much of this is Taylor and how much is Goodwin, but both are clearly heavily to blame.

Jackson and Pickett don't have a single iota of football acumen between them. Rivers might, but who would know because he can't get a game in this rabble.

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9 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

Or will they try and hide behind COVID instead?

Before the season re-commenced I took the rational view that head coach sackings will be off limits this year due to the constraints and unprecedented challenges of COVID.

But geez, it's hard to defend last night.

It's hard to back Goodwin in when the players dish up skills that are simply not afl/professional  standards. 

It's hard to back Goodwin in when we get pantsed in the midfield despite winning the hitouts by 30+

It's hard to back Goodwin in when then entire club just doesn't turn up from minute 1 of a league game of footy.

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16 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

The great debate: Was 2018 or 2019 the aberration year?

No doubt now!

2019 injuries were a valid reason for our poor year and not making finals.  But injuries alone didn't cause our 17th position.  They just papered over the faults. 

At last we all agree

some here called it in 2018

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14 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

The great debate: Was 2018 or 2019 the aberration year?

No doubt now!

2019 injuries were a valid reason for our poor year and not making finals.  But injuries alone didn't cause our 17th position.  They just papered over the faults. 

Injuries were used as way too much of an excuse last year for finishing 17th.

He was entitled to miss the 8 but to finish 17th....

Finishing 17th was borderline sackable IMO. That wouldn't be tolerated in the MLB, NBA and NFL leagues.

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5 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Before the season re-commenced I took the rational view that head coach sackings will be off limits this year due to the constraints and unprecedented challenges of COVID.

But geez, it's hard to defend last night.

It's hard to back Goodwin in when the players dish up skills that are simply not afl/professional  standards. 

It's hard to back Goodwin in when we get pantsed in the midfield despite winning the hitouts by 30+

It's hard to back Goodwin in when then entire club just doesn't turn up from minute 1 of a league game of footy.

Yeah it's not flash.  I always try to look for some positives out of a game but they were few and far between last night.

If we continue to dish up performances like last night then I think the board will have some massive decisions to make.  Sacking him would cost us some serious money, and money we might not be able to afford right now, but keeping him on for these sort of results will hurt us in many other ways when it comes to cash flow.  Sponsors, members etc will not be all that keen to sign up.

Goody looked genuinely disappointed and frustrated last night, but he needs to get over that quickly and get his head back in the game of looking for ways to improve us, both from a game plan sense and from the players who get a run in the senior side.  There are too many coasting right now and a rocket, either verbally or from dropping them, might be the only way to get through to them.

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2 hours ago, Forest Demon said:

I’m clearly not a Goodwin fan, but I’m less inclined to blame him for last night. We were trending on the right direction in terms of fixing our forward entries, the team selections were fine, but last night was just a pathetic performance and I think the playing group have to take most of the heat for that. Obviously you can blame him for the lack of effort and intensity, I get that, but imo the players are mostly responsible for bringing that part of the game.

Selection was his first mistake...it wasn't fine to play Tommy Mac against any team let alone a team that move the ball quickly.

I thought he'd finally learned how to select a team but last night he went backwards.

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20 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

Yeah it's not flash.  I always try to look for some positives out of a game but they were few and far between last night.

If we continue to dish up performances like last night then I think the board will have some massive decisions to make.  Sacking him would cost us some serious money, and money we might not be able to afford right now, but keeping him on for these sort of results will hurt us in many other ways when it comes to cash flow.  Sponsors, members etc will not be all that keen to sign up.

Goody looked genuinely disappointed and frustrated last night, but he needs to get over that quickly and get his head back in the game of looking for ways to improve us, both from a game plan sense and from the players who get a run in the senior side.  There are too many coasting right now and a rocket, either verbally or from dropping them, might be the only way to get through to them.

He can start by dropping TMac Brayshaw and Jones.

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He has to go 

After the Prelim debacle in 2018

Then to finish 17th the following year.

Most likely missing the finals this year again.

I think they will give him one more year.

If we miss next year again , contract or not , there is no way he will keep his job.

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9 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

I don't disagree but you have to replace him with Clarkson or Lyon or it's not worth it. Throwing another rookie coach to the wolves and starting again isn't the answer, the club will chew them up and about them out. We need someone to coach the club not just the team.

100% agree mate.

 

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2 hours ago, SPC said:

If he cannot improve his disposal both by hand and by foot, particularly by foot, then we should trade him while he has currency. So much of the modern game is disposal based, we have Viney- we can’t have Oliver too. Don’t care about B&Fs. We are so far off the mark to being a good consistent team.. we need to make tough calls.

Agree on the tough calls. So Goody goes?????

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he destroyed the team that Paul Roos took years assembling. There was an upward trajectory over Roos' years, then Goodwin had two years of luxury on the back of Roosy's work. We peaked in 2018...he turned over half the list and put his stamp on things and we have been pooh ever since. 

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3 hours ago, Forest Demon said:

I’m clearly not a Goodwin fan, but I’m less inclined to blame him for last night. We were trending on the right direction in terms of fixing our forward entries, the team selections were fine, but last night was just a pathetic performance and I think the playing group have to take most of the heat for that. Obviously you can blame him for the lack of effort and intensity, I get that, but imo the players are mostly responsible for bringing that part of the game.

I agree. Last night is mostly on the players, but you've got to wonder whether the game style can replicated consistently and is therefore a good idea. My feeling is that it requires too many things to go perfectly, otherwise we're stuffed. We bust ourselves working so hard to win the ball and simply give it back.

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3 minutes ago, A F said:

I agree. Last night is mostly on the players, but you've got to wonder whether the game style can replicated consistently and is therefore a good idea. My feeling is that it requires too many things to go perfectly, otherwise we're stuffed. We bust ourselves working so hard to win the ball and simply give it back.

I put this in another thread, but you can see teams sitting down during the week and going:

Limit the clearances, at least break even in contested possies and wait for the turnover.  Done.

The weaker teams find it harder to stop us for obvious reasons, but at the minute, every team above us can keep us at arms length and there isn't much we can do about it.

I think we have the right amount of talent on the list but it's weight too much on the contested possession/clearance side.  I think they have tried to even that up slightly, but last night was a shambles at selection.  Three tall forwards and a slow midfield meant that the moment we turned it over we had to rely on the back line to keep us in it, and this week they barely got a chance to do that.

With so many games flying around at the moment I'm not too sure if we have time to make the necessary changes, but we'll see what next week brings.  If we get rolled by the Crows then I think we're in deep, deep trouble.

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1 minute ago, Wiseblood said:

I put this in another thread, but you can see teams sitting down during the week and going:

Limit the clearances, at least break even in contested possies and wait for the turnover.  Done.

The weaker teams find it harder to stop us for obvious reasons, but at the minute, every team above us can keep us at arms length and there isn't much we can do about it.

I think we have the right amount of talent on the list but it's weight too much on the contested possession/clearance side.  I think they have tried to even that up slightly, but last night was a shambles at selection.  Three tall forwards and a slow midfield meant that the moment we turned it over we had to rely on the back line to keep us in it, and this week they barely got a chance to do that.

With so many games flying around at the moment I'm not too sure if we have time to make the necessary changes, but we'll see what next week brings.  If we get rolled by the Crows then I think we're in deep, deep trouble.

Lose to Adelaide and Goodwin's papers will be marked. Goodwin was already on very thin ice a few weeks ago. If he can't get the players playing a replicable style from next week, the board won't stand it and nor should they.

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1 minute ago, A F said:

Lose to Adelaide and Goodwin's papers will be marked. Goodwin was already on very thin ice a few weeks ago. If he can't get the players playing a replicable style from next week, the board won't stand it and nor should they.

Next week is a must win.  It won't move the needle for me, as we should be rolling the Crows no matter what based on their current efforts and form, but like you say - if we lose, then the board shouldn't allow things to go on much longer.

The only thing that might come into play is the dollars side of things.  If it's too costly in the current climate then we might be stuck, but if it comes to it, then hopefully the club can find a way to manage it.

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The dollars won't be a problem if we go after Clarkson. In fact, I'm almost certain the AFL would back it.

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How many coaches in the NRL have been sacked already? I think it’s at least 3, Broncos will probably sack there coach to, not sure about existing contracts like Goodwins. But it shows clubs still need results no matter what the circumstances, keep going like we are there is no way Goodwin and JM we be at Melbourne next year.

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