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1 minute ago, deanox said:

This is fair enough, but personally I think more than defending zone v 1on1, our bigger issue is that when the opposition get on a run, we don't slow down and retain the ball through uncontested possessions, short chip and marks, play keepings off, etc. We still play break neck. 

I just wrote that in the game day thread.

Our manic rush to get the all fwd has to be tempered. Some composure with the ball in hand

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26 minutes ago, deanox said:

That makes no sense because as demonstrated he has been making regular changes since the start of 2018 based on evidence. 

That's fair, though the change up in 2018 after Hawthorn and PJ saying they trashed our brand is similar to the pressure that mounted mid season last year and saw the change of coaching set up. I'm guessing but I'd say that both times these changes were forced on Goodwin. 

26 minutes ago, deanox said:

Look I'm not saying he is a great coach, nor that he isnt under pressure. My point is that the rhetoric on here is bloody ridiculous.

There is no basis for claiming he is stubborn; there is evidence he regularly changes plans. 

There is no basis to say he doesn't understand tactics; the is evidence of him innovating.

Perhaps, but as I say above, the potential innovation has come at times where public pressure has mounted to such an extent that he has been held accountable by the media and surely our board.

26 minutes ago, deanox said:

There is no basis for slamming his "corporate speak": because a) all coaches do that and because b) those words and terms reflect modern, best practices leadership approaches.

 

There is evidence he doesn't like changing things up a lot during a game. Probably a weakness. But when you are trying to teach a younger side, with limited "games together" then you don't throw out plan A immediately IF the problem is with the execution, you let the players keep practicing so they can learn to play under pressure. 

There are definitely issues at the moment, but the way they are being framed related to Goodwin's imagined personality flaws is unbelievable. 

I couldn't care less what he says in his press conferences. I care what he says to players and ultimately results.

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1 hour ago, deanox said:

So is he stubborn or does he tweak too much?

He tweaked away the good-which was fast, intuitive play and fierce tackling in favour of ridiculous zoning and hesitant, slow ball movement .

He is stubborn on match day.Refuses to change things that aren't working or make defensive switches when a player is getting killed.

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Good win. 
made the changes and got the team to deliver them. 
Can we ease off [censored]-canning our coach for a week??! 

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38 minutes ago, Pipefitter said:

Can’t believe we only extended his Contract for 3 years! Lock him in for the decade! 

I really hope you think about sacking your joke writer

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5 hours ago, Biffen said:

He tweaked away the good-which was fast, intuitive play and fierce tackling in favour of ridiculous zoning and hesitant, slow ball movement .

He is stubborn on match day.Refuses to change things that aren't working or make defensive switches when a player is getting killed.

Reckon they got their zoning implementation pretty much spot on tonight.

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11 hours ago, Biffen said:

He tweaked away the good-which was fast, intuitive play and fierce tackling in favour of ridiculous zoning and hesitant, slow ball movement .

Actually, as others have pointed out we often go too fast, especially when kicking the ball into the forward line. 

However, there are times when we stop when we should go and vice versa.

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Even in 2018, I said our game plan was unsustainable as it relied on having to absolutely batter teams around the ball week in week out, and apply crazy pressure, to generate a score.

I thought last night was a step in the right direction, and while we still dominated the usual stats (clearances, inside 50s), I thought it was a more measured and sustainable performance across 4 quarters.

Still plenty of improvement to go, but at least an improvement.

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12 minutes ago, Forest Demon said:

Even in 2018, I said our game plan was unsustainable as it relied on having to absolutely batter teams around the ball week in week out, and apply crazy pressure, to generate a score.

I thought last night was a step in the right direction, and while we still dominated the usual stats (clearances, inside 50s), I thought it was a more measured and sustainable performance across 4 quarters.

Still plenty of improvement to go, but at least an improvement.

Me too.

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A General Warning

Please do not bait other posters into fights.

It is ok to disagree and argue points but if you are solely going to post to have a go at a poster with the intention to have them have a go back at you then that is not on.

All it does is create further conflict to an already volatile and divisive issue and personal attacks between posters derails the topic.

 Whether right or wrong people can have their opinion on the coach and coaching style. 

Enjoy the win but don’t try to create tension when we should all be celebrating together. 

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9 hours ago, A F said:

Reckon they got their zoning implementation pretty much spot on tonight.

Since the re-start we've conceded scores of 53, 47, 79 and 63, an average score of 60.5. I'd be keen to know how that stacks up against other sides. I suspect it's mid-table. But I certainly think our defensive zone is holding up better than it did last year, even on the wider MCG. Teams are finding it hard to score against us until we turn it over.

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Some adjustments have been made and we won this week, I think this week we came in with a better structure and look about the team. I feel like Goodwin and Co had a idea of what they wanted for the previous round but it hasn’t worked. In particular the decision to have Fritta our key forward target simply did not look like it was functioning. Instead we seemed to have Weids play mostly deep and use our mid talls of Hannan, Melksham, and Fritch in HFF positions for link up play. 

It’s a start, hopefully the learning has finished and we can get more wins. 

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