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1 hour ago, Macca said:

Write an email to the club about your misgivings.  Goodwin is contracted until the end of 2022 so your ire should be directed at the Board ... after all,  it is they who offered him the extention to his contract.  He simply signed the contract as would anyone in his position.

Reality says that we posted a 1 5Million loss last season and our income since then has slowed to a trickle.  More losses will follow as a result.  We can't afford to sack Goodwin whilst we are beholden to the AFL to stay afloat.  Real world situation.

My remedy is for Goodwin to change tack or to be told to change tack. 

Ordered to change tack if that's what it takes. 

More involvement or decisions can be made by other members of the MC. 

The way we're delivering the ball into the forward line requires not 2 key forwards but 3 key forwards. Yet we play only the 1 KPF (who in turn gets double-teamed)

So it's time that Goodwin is over ruled ... and that doesn't have to eventuate in an unhealthy arrangement.  Responsibilities were taken away from Hardwick,  Buckley & Thompson and that worked a treat.

There's no reason why we can't do the same.

It's called making the best of a less than ideal situation. 

What would you do Rack-em?

 

Spot on Macca . Unless someone comes up with a few million no way are we in a position to get rid of him. I thought he would be a good coach and had faith in Roos selecting him to take over but he just shows no passion at all. Makes no changes and is dogmatic and stubborn in his beliefs and will not acknowledge he has stuffed up.

However I think you are wrong with having another key forward. One who have we got as another key forward and 2 do you think they will go well with the way we go forward. Last quarter Gawn taps it down the throat of I think AVB and I saw TMac lead straight up the ground and a little short pass would have resulted in a shot at goal but no he just kicks it long and guess what a Tiger marked it. When you win clearance out of centre you must lower eyes.

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Rubbish. If you’re prepared to hold him to account when things are going badly, you need to give him credit when things are going well. Otherwise just you’re twisting reality to suit your agenda.

Only 3 clubs have clocked an average running speed quicker in defence than in attack for both games. Richmond WB and Melbounre. We are running harder defensively than we have previous season

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Hibberd aint that talented, but gave his all today.

May was good today

Gawn is trying to give everything and in someways trying to much.

Petracca is just about to become a star

Goodwin's plan may not be working but we have far to many players who pick and choose throughout games when they want to put in effort and repeat efforts. 

I know Ross Lyon would never tolerate that and those players would be moved on, if they didn't conform to hard work.

New coach or not, these boys need to look within and lift

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37 minutes ago, Docs Demons said:

Spot on Macca . Unless someone comes up with a few million no way are we in a position to get rid of him. I thought he would be a good coach and had faith in Roos selecting him to take over but he just shows no passion at all. Makes no changes and is dogmatic and stubborn in his beliefs and will not acknowledge he has stuffed up.

However I think you are wrong with having another key forward. One who have we got as another key forward and 2 do you think they will go well with the way we go forward. Last quarter Gawn taps it down the throat of I think AVB and I saw TMac lead straight up the ground and a little short pass would have resulted in a shot at goal but no he just kicks it long and guess what a Tiger marked it. When you win clearance out of centre you must lower eyes.

We're probably stuck with Goodwin until at least the end of 2021 but our game style and selection policy can change even with Goodwin in charge.  It's quite possible for the club to change tack with Goodwin being a party to those changes.   In other words, he gets told.

This needs to happen IMO.  If not,  we'll continue to lose games, lose support and lose parts of our income streams.  Do nothing and we lose.

I just hope the club understands where it sits right now.  Maybe it doesn't and if so,  we're cactus. 

As for the style of play ... if we are going to continue to pump the ball into the forward line the way we do then we need to change the make up of our forward line. 

We need players who can win their own ball and compete hard to keep the ball in our forward line ... here's my forward set-up based on our chaos ball from stoppages.

HF  Fritsch     McDonald   Melksham (High HF)

F     Pickett          May            Viney

Oscar goes into the backline and tries his best.

Now,  if we were somehow able to deliver the ball into the forward line in a more efficient manner (which has to be the goal) the forward set-up could be a lot different.

But that more efficient manner is probably a year away.  So the dysfunctional forward line we currently have and the personnel involved must change Doc.  It doesn't work at all right now. 

Gawn could spend a bit of time forward just to change things up.  Go 'real' tall for 6 or 7 minutes every now and again.

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1 hour ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Fair points, Macca.

But who is going to do the telling.  Mahoney sits in game strategy and team selection each week.  He has plenty of opportunity to steer game plan and team selection etc in different directions. 

I don't know how long Pert and the Board can let this go on.

I suspect at some stage they will get the call from up high LH.

Gil has enough to worry about already but he (the AFL) and we, certainly can't afford another ugly "Neeld" style horror fest that we witnessed in 2012 through 2014/15.

I heard someone mention membership is down 15,000 on last season.

Then there's the ratings which are even more critical than usual during covid.  They will be more carefully watched than ever before and something will give if the sinking ship isn't righted in the next few matches.  I will be very surprised if an assistance package isn't forthcoming (contract payout) and caretaker (Richo?) appointed by mid season (or thereabouts) if we continue to flounder and put up such putrid W/L results. 

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In fairness to Goodwin. The jungle drummers won't admit this but,

We've been in games, we've had chances to win games, the effort has been there.

Development strategy and talent are question marks.

You can point fingers all you want but there is no guarantee right now a new coach will get better results.

Goody will have to make big calla to save his job.

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2 hours ago, Macca said:

Write an email to the club about your misgivings.  Goodwin is contracted until the end of 2022 so your ire should be directed at the Board ... after all,  it is they who offered him the extention to his contract.  He simply signed the contract as would anyone in his position.

Reality says that we posted a 1 5Million loss last season and our income since then has slowed to a trickle.  More losses will follow as a result.  We can't afford to sack Goodwin whilst we are beholden to the AFL to stay afloat.  Real world situation.

My remedy is for Goodwin to change tack or to be told to change tack. 

Ordered to change tack if that's what it takes. 

More involvement or decisions can be made by other members of the MC. 

The way we're delivering the ball into the forward line requires not 2 key forwards but 3 key forwards. Yet we play only the 1 KPF (who in turn gets double-teamed)

So it's time that Goodwin is over ruled ... and that doesn't have to eventuate in an unhealthy arrangement.  Responsibilities were taken away from Hardwick,  Buckley & Thompson and that worked a treat.

There's no reason why we can't do the same.

It's called making the best of a less than ideal situation. 

What would you do Rack-em?

 

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1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

So then the question needs to be asked, why isn't the heat on us big time? It's almost identical to the Neeld years.

I heard Glen Bartlett bang on how much faith they have in Goodwin and that changes will be made if we are not to play finals this year.

Well Glen, start making those changes now because we sure as hell ain't playing finals.

You've got to make the changes once more of the season (or its entirety) has been played out.

2019 was putrid and 2020 is shaping up similarly, but we're only 4 games in. Let's at least get to the half way point in a month or so's time and then we can start planning for a change.

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1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

So then the question needs to be asked, why isn't the heat on us big time? It's almost identical to the Neeld years.

I heard Glen Bartlett bang on how much faith they have in Goodwin and that changes will be made if we are not to play finals this year.

Well Glen, start making those changes now because we sure as hell ain't playing finals.

Can u get done for tanking when you don't hve a first round pick? 

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Goodwin spoke well post match for the first time I’ve ever seen.

Gawn is a strong captain. He played well and spoke well post match.

I see the team on the rise, with Goodwin coming into himself with the the right captain.

It starts at the top. That view looked more promising to me today.

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Goodwin has until the first hub finishes..

Still performing the same then don't bother coming back to Melbourne Simon.

Richardson coaches out the year as an audition.

...but on the phone to Brad Scott and maybe Ross Lyon.

Both good players men who don't need to be players friends.

We don't have time to train a newby coach.

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For those of you who keep referencing Neeld - first of all, please don't mention that name, it causes serious negative physiological and psychological reactions.

Secondly I think you are forgetting how bad that period truly was with the passage of time. Every week it was considered a win if we got within 10 goals! This is nowhere near that, we are actually in games - the problem is we should be playing finals and we won't be.

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6 hours ago, Dee tention said:

Cut through the BS Melbourne! 

Ross Lyon 2021... 🦁 🙏

2020. The season isn't done. I would love to see what Ross Lyon could do with us this year. As MFC fans, we come to always accept our dire circumstances. I'd rather not accept it, and demand immediate change. We need it, this club under Goodwin is going no where. He cannot coach. I actually feel sorry for Goodwin. Clearly he is out of his depth, and privately he would probably acknowledge as much. Its nearly punishment to have him continue on. 

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10 hours ago, SPC said:

Anyone remember the “To hell and back” video?

The what? 

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9 hours ago, Ungarieboy said:

Bring back Daniher.

...alongside bringing back Stefan Martin, Lynden Dunne, Jeremy Howe, Jack Watts, Dean Kent, Max King, Sam Frost, Jesse Hogan ... 

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People saying we can’t afford another coach - isn’t Ross Lyon on the books already? I’d give anything to see him take over next week ...

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We are suffering from a lack of forward talent. That is Goody's fault. TMac, Melk and Hunt are career defenders yet three years into Goody's tenure somehow they are 3 of his forward 6. 

We've sold our forward future to bolster a defence that wasn't too bad to begin with (how much better is Lever than TMac??). We can't win without natural goal kickers on the list and we only really have Hannan, Bennell and Fritsch and a young Kozzy that have natural forward qualities.

I believe that forward line 'grace' is Goody's blindspot and it will cost him his job because it's a list issue. Best hope he has to save his job is planting Bennell at FF for the rest of the year. 

 

 

 

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It is clear Goodwin has a personality trait that requires order.  Line up the little soldiers in a certain order, time and time again. No change once the battle starts and no change to account for opponent or conditions. This condition also means people affected hate change and unexpected things ypsetting the neat little rows they have created. A reasonably professional due dillegence would have established this trait in his personality. If you think I am being unkinf or making it up, look at a press conference and count the times he touches his left leg. To control the urge he will  vigorously grab the offending arm and put two arms close to his chest. You can see how the urge to keep scratching will distract his attention from the questions.  I might be wrong that this trait has always been with him but it certainly evident while holding a demanding job. 

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8 hours ago, No10 said:

 

Goodwin spoke well post match for the first time I’ve ever seen.

Gawn is a strong captain. He played well and spoke well post match.

 

 

I agree - I was waiting for the usual ‘learnings’ bollox, but he actually came across quite measured and considered.

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