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15 hours ago, Pennant St Dee said:

We'll agree to disagree, I believe he has earned the right to coach again next season 

We shall see

I agree he gets next year to improve our position and develop sustainability within the competition. Another poor year will certainly see him in the firing line towards the end of 2020. Sacking Goodwin now will set us back too far in terms of money, confidence of the playing list and support of the AFL. Despite some believing we are rabble, I think we would be worse next year by making rash decisions now.

I'm not in the wrist slashing camp, but I'm far from the happy clappy side either. The reality is somewhere in between. 

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15 hours ago, Ron Burgundy said:

Many Richmond supporters petitioned to have had Hardwick crucified upside down in 2016.

They were completely on the money at the time.

Or say they thought. Yet, the club’s managent reviewed things and backed Hardwick in.

Collingwood did much the samewith Buckley.

The MFC’s now quite professional - thanks to Messrs Jackson and Roos.

Everyone knows we’ve had a bad season - including, relevantly, Pert, Mahoney and Goodwin.

It’s quite baffling that certain posters here seem to think that they’re the only ones who seem to know/recognise this?!

FWIW - I reckon the MFC is actually onto it, and they’re not simply sitting back and being complacent. In fact, they’re very likely doing the exact opposite.

 

 

 

Proof will be half way through next year Ron, we've experienced many false dawns before...

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If you pick an older, experienced senior coach then you expect them to be the finished product. They should get less leeway on bad decisions and should be up and running very quickly. This is what you’d get if you hired Ross Lyon.

 

If you pick a young, first time coach with the attributes that you think will make them a good senior coach then they are going to be learning on the job. It is incumbent on you, as a board, to stick with the coach when they make mistakes along the way ....because they will. This is where we sit with Goodwin. That’s where Collingwood sat with Buckley, Richmond with Hardwick and Hawthorn with Clarkson.

If the club still believes that Goodwin has the attributes to be a senior coach then his position should not be in any doubt. Putting experience around him (like Richardson) will help him learn and become the senior coach they expect him to be a little bit faster.

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17 hours ago, Pennant St Dee said:

When we were lacking stability and you and your ilk want us to go back there, by offloading the Senior coach who had his first season of performing well below expectations (and I'm talking realistic expectations)

and you'd be the first in the mob complaining about us being back there, without realising or wishing to acknowledge the cause.

If they don't learn from this season than Goodwin goes and others will also follow, but not beforehand.

I keep hearing about people calling for an external review, you heard Roos last night talking about external reviews did you?

and he's not Robinson Crusoe in those beliefs.

You keep telling me how i would react

i wish you would stop. It is most irksome

Goodwin will coach next year, but i doubt it will make a lot of difference, he doesn’t know what to do, once things went wrong. 

He wasn’t trained up.. 

He also refused to acknowledge mistakes when they were happening in front of him last September, which is now 12 months ago, i see big problems. If you don’t then we must disagree

But don’t tell me how i will react, i will sort that out. 

Don’t blow a head gasket over what other supporters think. It’s none of your business

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On 8/25/2019 at 9:23 PM, Mach5 said:

 

He steered the conversation exactly where he wanted it to go, it’s not rocket science.

I think he just spoke at the very limit of his capability.

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13 minutes ago, Deemania since 56 said:

I think he just spoke at the very limit of his capability.

 

Yes, well, you’ve made your opinion clear, and you’re entitled to it, wrong as it may be.

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1 hour ago, Sir Why You Little said:

You keep telling me how i would react

i wish you would stop. It is most irksome

Goodwin will coach next year, but i doubt it will make a lot of difference, he doesn’t know what to do, once things went wrong. 

He wasn’t trained up.. 

He also refused to acknowledge mistakes when they were happening in front of him last September, which is now 12 months ago, i see big problems. If you don’t then we must disagree

But don’t tell me how i will react, i will sort that out. 

Don’t blow a head gasket over what other supporters think. It’s none of your business

There's enough evidence in 17538 posts for me to anticipate how you would react

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The questions persists. 
 

and lingers...

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No. Dean Cox or Voss.

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I've been in the pro-Goodwin camp up until now. However this afternoons game has persuaded me that we need a change. Extremely uninspiring football and clear failure to respond to Geelong's obvious game plan until it was too late. I want to be proven wrong but I just don't think Goody is up to it.

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He isnt.. he is one dimensional,  arrogant. In fact teh club is downright derelict in not having a specialised fwd coach. Its embarrassing and another sign of a lack of professionalism. 

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Goodwin is not up to it. End of story

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14 minutes ago, McQueen said:

The questions persists. 
 

and lingers...

No it doesn’t McQueen. If we are still asking such questions into his 4th year as coach, well we already have our answer.

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what would it take for the club to see that he's got to go?  If he stays another two years he'll just about be our last coach.  

Membership will disappear, the finances will go into terminal decline, the players won't want to stay - and Tasmania is waiting...

 So - seriously - what would it take?  Before it's too late on every front...

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4 minutes ago, robbiefrom13 said:

what would it take for the club to see that he's got to go?  If he stays another two years he'll just about be our last coach.  

Membership will disappear, the finances will go into terminal decline, the players won't want to stay - and Tasmania is waiting...

 So - seriously - what would it take?  Before it's too late on every front...

This is our dilemma. We can’t afford to keep him as he is destroying the club but we can’t afford to get rid of him as with the other finance holes it could also destroy the club. 

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2 minutes ago, Age said:

This is our dilemma. We can’t afford to keep him as he is destroying the club but we can’t afford to get rid of him as with the other finance holes it could also destroy the club. 

Get the board to pay out his contract, they’re the one’s responsible for getting us into this mess.

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No. Not on his own. He needs urgent match day and perhaps selection support. Preferably a former average talent, shortish, back pocket scrubber with rat cunning. A Dimma, Clarko, Bevo, Simmo type. And hurry up. I am not getting younger and I still remember the feeling of being there in 1964.

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Many would disagree but I think he:
Picked the right team
- the backline had a mix of defensive skills, athleticism and rebound ability
- the midfield numbers allowed for heavy rotations
- the forward line speed created opportunity to move the ball to get one on ones and pressure

Fixed a lot of the mistakes from last game
- defenders jumping at the same ball
- midfield leaving huge holes in the corridor
- forward entries continues to be mostly aimed at a number of targets

Some awful mental errors at the start of the 3rd quarter, a lack of talent to connect from the midfield to goal scoring chances, some youthful defensive errors and a few transition defensive errors was all that stopped us keeping Geelong to a very low scoring and us easily scoring enough to win. 

IF you want to blame Goodwin for losing this game then blame him for coaching errors in the last 1-3 years and not today.
 

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Irresponsible planning and obligations in play after one flash in the pan season (including one of the worst Prelim performances ever). The board is complicit in this mess but will ultimately be saved by the sheer impact of covid on the club and league. Suspect many across the league are treating this year as a preparation for next year. Goodwin has a get out of jail free card. Harsh reality. 

The worst performing coach over the past year and a bit. Gold Coast now on 6 wins since Round 1 2019. And we also on 6 wins in the same period of time.

Astonishing Goodwin survived last year. How many goalless quarters now is that for him across his coaching career?

Is anyone here really prepared to defend him? He is the HEAD coach. He signs off on these decisions. 

Not the one.

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5 minutes ago, tiers said:

No. Not on his own. He needs urgent match day and perhaps selection support. Preferably a former average talent, shortish, back pocket scrubber with rat cunning. A Dimma, Clarko, Bevo, Simmo type. And hurry up. I am not getting younger and I still remember the feeling of being there in 1964.

Re the latter: I was 13 but my memory is fading. That happens after 56 years.

Re Clarko: we'd have a flag inside 3 years.

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Ultimately some of the decisions made at the end of 2018 around list management will be the death of Goodwins run at the Dee’s. We realised that thinking Hogan was surplus to our needs was a mistake and tried to rectify by recruiting Jackson. But Jackson isn’t going to help us In 2020.

You can see Goodwin knows his tall forwards aren’t much chop so he’s trying to play a smaller, more unpredictable lineup. For this to succeed we need some seriously good kicking coming into 50 which we don’t have. So now we are trying to employ a game style that doesn’t suit our lists strengths.
 

We identified outside run and polish as a need and we recruited Tomlinson and Langdon who can run all day but are shocking kicks.

You can just imagine Roosy shaking his head thinking I left you a good list, and you have ripped it all up. 
 

I feel like Goodwin is our Grant Thomas. Clearly the player’s love him, the effort is there. But he just doesn’t have the nous to get these players organised and playing to a structure. When have you ever heard a commentator remark on how organised the Dee’s look?

Can we wait to see if he pulls a Hardwick or Buckley and improves? Or do we need to pull the trigger? Glad it’s not me having to make that call.

 

 

 

 

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