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3 minutes ago, xarronn said:

The rumour which I heard on the rumour file was that - a coach of a Melbourne based team would be departing on Sunday"

Ross and John who knew which club was being referred to then made jokes about the snow, and John stated that he hoped that team did not have a big win on Sunday. All comments pointed to Goodwin.

It made me wonder whether the meeting with the AFL was also about getting financial support for the payout. 

The meeting is a regularly scheduled one. Doesn't mean that what you suggest won't happen, but also doesn't mean that's the purpose for it.

Also, our game is on Saturday, not Sunday, so not sure about that part of the info.

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15 minutes ago, Die Hard Demon said:

imagine if we brought in Ross Lyon on the back of sacking Goodwin.. i’d leave the country permanently 

I don't believe Goodwin will be sacked BUT if that did happen I'd put my money on Ross Lyon getting the job. Pert, Roos & Lyon are all very close, I could definitely see that happening if Goody got the flick.

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7 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

The meeting is a regularly scheduled one. Doesn't mean that what you suggest won't happen, but also doesn't mean that's the purpose for it.

Also, our game is on Saturday, not Sunday, so not sure about that part of the info.

Yep, my mistake, they said the game on the weekend. As far as the meeting with AFL , I did say " also" about the payout. I understand that these meetings are not abnormal, however it was speculated on this site that the meeting may also have included discussions about the MFC's financial circumstances in 2020.

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Would be shocked if goody was sacked.

Wouldn't be shocked if Pyke was.

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Just now, binman said:

Would be shocked if goody was sacked.

Wouldn't be shocked if Pyke was.

I would be staggered if Goodwin is sacked. 

And like you not so much if a coach in SA wasnt gone depending on the results this weekend.

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Good gracious. That escalated quickly.

Is there a player apart from gray who could be on the move to us? I can't think of one (but am no expert)

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I have no mail , jungle drums or other about anyone going anywhere as of Sunday.

So this is purely hypothetical.

Theres some weight behind the idea Richo will come to Melbourne.  But as Development...supposedly.

Everyone bandying around the likes of Lyon etc. I dont see Lyon coming to the Dees, but thats just me.

Someone who has as much if not more knowledge than most about our list etc is Jade Rawlings. He's touted as a Coach in waiting and HAS coached in his own right. What if Rawlings was offered the role with Richo as a mentor ??

 

 

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19 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

All very good points UH.   Out of the two most successful clubs in terms of ladder position since the modern era (ie., post 1990 / AFL), one is also the most stable club (ie., has never sacked a coach in that time.....they have all either retired, moved on / seen out their contracts)...

Extract courtesy of the Roar:  "Geelong average a remarkable ladder position of 5.5, have played the most grand finals, and are equal second for finals appearances, after West Coast. The Cats are a remarkably consistent club that seem to continually reinvent themselves, playing finals 67 per cent of the time, having snared three flags – and seem destined for the finals and another flag shot this year.

West Coast are very similar, with an average ladder position of 6.6, the most finals appearances, and six grand finals of their own at a 50 per cent return for three flags.

This is an interstate side who defies the consensus of extra travel equalling less success, who too are back in contention again this year.

Geelong and West Coast are inseparable as the two most consistent clubs in the AFL era. Hawthorn may have the most flags but it is the Cats and Eagles who give their fans the most chances for success."...end quote.

Also of those two clubs, they had two of the most successful coaches of modern times in Malthouse and Bomber Thompson.  Both took approx 180 matches before they cracked their first premiership!  Seven seasons of coaching, recruiting and hard work before the year in which they (and team) arrived.

The big question mark here is the "good leadership" aspect.  We now have three seasons worth of evidence....

2017 - up and down season just missing finals in a very poor final round showing against our next door rivals, the Pies (who had nothing to play for).  5/10

2018 - First half a pass mark then a strong finish.  Beat two solid opponents with finals cred then didn't show up on Prelim day.  Two out of three on the big stage for the first time in over a decade.  Big tick but also a big question mark to end the season (similar to 2017).  8/10

2019 - No need to comment.  We all know how this one went.  1/10 (for not winning any wood).

So the way i see it Goody is sitting on a very rough 4.6 / 10 performance rating (IMV) so far.

Is that sackable?

I''ll leave that up to those in charge to decide.  Personally i don't think so.  Stability is key and three years is still one year away from even the half way point of the 8 years (approx) it took some very good coaches to win their first.

In addition ......let's look at some current bottom dweller's on the win/loss % (see table below) and tell me who you see here that is an outlier whose team might finish as the minor premiers this season!?  So... it CAN turn around!

More time needed barring anything like 2019 (by the half way point of 2020 for mine).  Stability/loyalty is no doubt a better alternative to a sacking 'at this point' IMV.  Will he need some serious help from an older more experienced statesman in the box and on the track along with other changes, recruiting / high performance / line coaches etc?  Most certainly.  Changes to line coaches, Burgess, already underway.

While this year has been a horribilis we need to fix what is needed and all get around Goody for another serious crack in 2020 BUT.....he is certainly treading on thin ice at the moment and far from safe.  There will need to be a solid turnaround from the get go in 2020 to keep the wolves at bay and for the confidence and belief to return throughout the playing group and a very good ending also!

 Present AFL Coaches Regular Season Records & Statistics Past Coaches  |  All Coaches  
 
  Coach Games Wins Losses Draws Win %
1 Chris Scott 196 140 54 2 71.4%
2 Adam Simpson 130 85 44 1 65.4%
3 John Longmire 197 128 67 2 65.0%
4 Alastair Clarkson 324 199 123 2 61.4%
5 Don Pyke 87 53 33 1 60.9%
6 David Teague 10 6 4 0 60.0%
7 Nathan Buckley 175 98 76 1 56.0%
8 Damien Hardwick 219 122 95 2 55.7%
9 Leon Cameron 131 72 56 3 55.0%
10 Ken Hinkley 153 84 69 0 54.9%
11 Rhyce Shaw 11 6 5 0 54.5%
12 Luke Beveridge 109 59 50 0 54.1%
13 John Worsfold 350 180 168 2 51.4%
14 Brett Ratten 121 62 58 1 51.2%
15 Simon Goodwin 66 31 35 0 47.0%
16 Chris Fagan 65 26 39 0 40.0%
17 Stuart Dew 43 7 36 0 16.3%
 
 
 

Excellent post Rusty - very well thought out and articulated.

The biggest issue for us posters on Demonland is we don't know all of the facts. And on the limited facts we have I wholeheartedly agree with the points raised by yourself.

I also want to make myself clear - I don't automatically disagree with the dissenting viewpoint.

Goodwin has faults, he has made mistakes and some big mistakes IMO, but are these automatically sackable? Was the failure completely Goodwin or a combination of leadership issues? Is change needed or will he learn and improve?? Will it force changes that are needed to be successful? Was he suitably provided all of the support he needed? There are a lot of mitigating factors for this years failures and we are not even started talking about results or the requirement for the game plan to change or the players ability to execute in 2019 due to various reasons (which some have come to light on the forum recently).

I'd be amazed if the board sack him now, mainly because the board agreed to resign him 6 months ago for a further 2 year. What changed so dramatically that change is now needed? Was the proper process not followed? Was any process undertaken? Clearly these questions won't be answered on Demonland but on face value that points to a complete failure by the powers that be.

If Goodwin is sacked (and this is pure speculation at this stage), I think the bigger story here is the failure of the MFC leadership.

And that is what you and I are talking about @Rusty Nails, the lack of stability and leadership at this club is the biggest issue holding back the MFC.

I am really excited to see what plays out over the next month or 2, it is going to be very interesting

 

 

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12 minutes ago, binman said:

Would be shocked if goody was sacked.

Wouldn't be shocked if Pyke was.

I agree Binman - a massive fall from grace at the Crows. 

Pyke is the 2019 equivalent of, if that (Adelaide) is where the MFC is at in 2020 I wouldn't be surprised with the Goody sacking rumours

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Coaching department update update coming up on SEN shortly....could just be more filler, let's see

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there is zero chance Goody is getting sacked now that its confirmed Richardson has signed with the Demons. The people that want this to happen, want to believe it, its not happening.

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20 minutes ago, Unleash Hell said:

If Goodwin is sacked (and this is pure speculation at this stage), I think the bigger story here is the failure of the MFC leadership.

Unless there are extenuating, non-football, factors that is precisely why Goodwin will not be sacked.  Bartlett would have to go with him.  He could not stay as President after re-signing Goodwin for 4 years (1 on current contract plus 3).   Barlett doesn't seem the type to fall on his sword. 

And agree Goodwin should not be moved out at this time.

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1 hour ago, —coach— said:

Is it possible the announcement will be about Alan Richardson signing on to replace McCartney role?

And the chocolates go to me 😂😂😂😂

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12 minutes ago, Demon3 said:

there is zero chance Goody is getting sacked now that its confirmed Richardson has signed with the Demons. The people that want this to happen, want to believe it, its not happening.

Yes , confirmed on club website.

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“The 54-year-old will be able to offer strong support to Simon Goodwin and help the growth of the whole coaching team.

Richardson also has a strong relationship with new performance manager Burgess, after the pair spent time together at Port Adelaide.”

This tells me Goodwin is going nowhere, contrary to the hopes of some people on this site...

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3 minutes ago, loges said:

Yes , confirmed on club website.

To avoid confusion, Richo's appointment has been confirmed (not that goody is zero chance of being sacked)

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1 minute ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Unless there are extenuating, non-football, factors that is precisely why Goodwin will not be sacked.  Bartlett would have to go with him.  He could not stay as President after re-signing Goodwin for 4 years (1 on current contract plus 3).   

Pert may get a stay of because he was only there for 5 minutes. 

Yep agree

I said in my other post - there maybe valid reasons... and us Demonlanders won't know the reasons but it would be a massive failure on face value.

I personally don't think it will happen, but we will wait and see.

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1 minute ago, AshleyH30 said:

“The 54-year-old will be able to offer strong support to Simon Goodwin and help the growth of the whole coaching team.

Richardson also has a strong relationship with new performance manager Burgess, after the pair spent time together at Port Adelaide.”

This tells me Goodwin is going nowhere, contrary to the hopes of some people on this site...

Perhaps they mean post sacking emotional support - he has some recent experience after all. 

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14 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Unless there are extenuating, non-football, factors that is precisely why Goodwin will not be sacked. 

Or there could be the little matter of the board  rating him very highly and as reflected in him being resigned believe him to be the coach to take us to a flag.

 

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1 minute ago, binman said:

Perhaps they mean post sacking emotional support - he has some recent experience after all. 

Very Funny. What I meant was that to publish this line in a public release when you already plan to sack him would be completely unprofessional and would have quite a lot of questions behind it. Granted, I wouldn't put it passed us, I don't see it happening now, even if there was a minute chance when we only recently re-signed him.

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Don't be surprised if Ken Hinkley is the next coach of MFC. 

Bulldogs won't lose to Adelaide. Port miss out (again).
Watch this space...

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Good get in Richo being appointed. 

As for the announcement on Sunday it’s prob that the MFC are extending Goodwins contract!!

 

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52 minutes ago, xarronn said:

Yep, my mistake, they said the game on the weekend. As far as the meeting with AFL , I did say " also" about the payout. I understand that these meetings are not abnormal, however it was speculated on this site that the meeting may also have included discussions about the MFC's financial circumstances in 2020.

Yeah for sure, absolutely could include that, or even the potential of it happening some time in the next 12 months. Or they may have even just gone there with general financial questions to which they'll use the answers to determine the course of action in the future.

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31 minutes ago, AshleyH30 said:

Very Funny. What I meant was that to publish this line in a public release when you already plan to sack him would be completely unprofessional and would have quite a lot of questions behind it. Granted, I wouldn't put it passed us, I don't see it happening now, even if there was a minute chance when we only recently re-signed him.

I got that. Was just joking.

Worth noting that the article was written by our resident work experience kid Ben Gibson (ie nor an AFL article as many are) so presumably would have been ticked off by the CEO given the importance of the announcement.

As you rightly say not a great look to bring a new assistant in to support your coach  then sack that coach two days later.

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