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12 minutes ago, bush demon said:

So don't shoot the messenger this is just what my boss heard on 3AW.... initials SG.... announcement, Sunday.

Simon Goodwin..stepping down?

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Just now, bush demon said:

worse...

Off to Adelaide

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Just now, bush demon said:

worse...

Worse? can you just tell me what they said on 3aw? i cant find the audio.

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ok, boss said that on AW this morning coach would be sacked. am just passing on what i heard. was on the radio and i have no reason to think this would be a joke.

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Just now, bush demon said:

ok, boss said that on AW this morning coach would be sacked. am just passing on what i heard. was on the radio and i have no reason to think this would be a joke.

Thanks, we got there in the end. 

Would be absolutely staggered if this was the case and would render our Football club as the biggest joke in the competition. 

Time will tell.

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8 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

How's everyone going to feel if there are more than a few willing to book a taxi out of here ??

I think we have to expect that a couple might explore options, it happens at every club, i would hate to see the likes of Brayshaw and Petracca request a trade though, and Fritsch who was asked to fill roles in the back line out of necessity and then when we got our backline back together he moved forward he has blossomed again. Man up kid and work through some adversity.

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2 minutes ago, Demon3 said:

Thanks, we got there in the end. 

Would be absolutely staggered if this was the case and would render our Football club as the biggest joke in the competition

Time will tell.

is it out of the realms of feasibility that we might be...already...and thats why something has to happen

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1 minute ago, Demon3 said:

I think we have to expect that a couple might explore options, it happens at every club, i would hate to see the likes of Brayshaw and Petracca request a trade though, and Fritsch who was asked to fill roles in the back line out of necessity and then when we got our backline back together he moved forward he has blossomed again. Man up kid and work through some adversity.

hands will go up...some will be sweet talked..or denied...There's a few pretty keen to go right at the moment. That's my mail. 

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Just now, beelzebub said:

is it out of the realms of feasibility that we might be...already...and thats why something has to happen

yep, we probably already are. Still, it would be a horrible move IMO. imagine if teh tigers jumped when Hardwick struggled, and teh Pies when Bucks was going badly and the Cats when Bomber was out of favour. 

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1 minute ago, beelzebub said:

hands will go up...some will be sweet talked..or denied...There's a few pretty keen to go right at the moment. That's my mail. 

Well i guess e have to keep getting rid of the guys that dont want to be at the club and getting others ina nd we play hardball, we demand good picks / trades.

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Just now, Demon3 said:

yep, we probably already are. Still, it would be a horrible move IMO. imagine if teh tigers jumped when Hardwick struggled, and teh Pies when Bucks was going badly and the Cats when Bomber was out of favour. 

As I see it many suspect we're in a similar boat to that which the Toiges were.  I don't think we are...looks similar...but different. What works at one club..one culture may not work at another.

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18 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

As I see it many suspect we're in a similar boat to that which the Toiges were.  I don't think we are...looks similar...but different. What works at one club..one culture may not work at another.

i agree.

The one similararity i am arguing against sacking Goodwin (and i readily admit i dont have all of thr facts), is the one thing successful clubs have in common is stability and good leadership.

Sacking key people isn't the answer.

In saying that a change of strategy maybe warranted but from my simple stand point sacking the coach because of 1 unsuccessful season is not the answer 

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3 minutes ago, —coach— said:

Is it possible the announcement will be about Alan Richardson signing on to replace McCartney role?

No. Unrelated. No point holding off on that until Sunday night.

41 minutes ago, Demon3 said:

Thanks, we got there in the end. 

Would be absolutely staggered if this was the case and would render our Football club as the biggest joke in the competition. 

Time will tell.

If mail I'm hearing is correct and the player names I've heard are correct, then sacking Goodwin would be a blessing in disguise. I really don't want to see him sacked and am willing to give him until mid next year but the wheels have already fallen off. The club was banking on a second half improvement but in fact we've gotten worse. The impact to the bottom line has been disastrous and sponsors have already asked for a please explain. Jaguar signed on to feed a growth campaign in Aus. Instead it is latched onto arguably the worst team in the comp. The utterly disastrous pre-season, which was undone amidst an internal review which began midseason (yes, it's already happened), effectively stamped Goodwin's, Macca's, and Jennings passports. Coincidence that Goodwin only now comes out and says he takes responsibility for what happened? I think not. And now murmurs of potential player exodus and trade requests, right as Ox says he is losing players. My mail admittedly comes from a mate of a mate of a mate, but connecting the dots and it all makes sense. The AFL fraternity isn't laughing at Melbourne. People are generally gobsmacked as to how significant the fall has been. and now there are concerns for player wellfare.

It has been as big a [censored] up as you're bound to see in the professional sporting industry.

Only Melbourne.

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46 minutes ago, —coach— said:

Is it possible the announcement will be about Alan Richardson signing on to replace McCartney role?

Yes. In fact i would say it is almost certain to be the case. Or not as the case may be

 

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4 minutes ago, binman said:

Yes. In fact i would say it is almost certain to be the case. 

 

I hope this is the case, i really do. Im on record as not rating Goodwin at all, but the thought of him being sacked right now makes me sick in the guts. Not only would we have a huge problem with the payout, but anyone on his side (talking players) would also be more inclined to jump ship.... especially if he is as loved by (most of?) the list as we have been led to believe.

I would feel better about next year if Richo was alongside Goodwin in the box. The alternative could well see us falling behind even Gold Coast next year.

FFS why did my old man have to make me follow this damn club....

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7 minutes ago, praha said:

No. Unrelated. No point holding off on that until Sunday night.

If mail I'm hearing is correct and the player names I've heard are correct, then sacking Goodwin would be a blessing in disguise. I really don't want to see him sacked and am willing to give him until mid next year but the wheels have already fallen off. The club was banking on a second half improvement but in fact we've gotten worse. The impact to the bottom line has been disastrous and sponsors have already asked for a please explain. Jaguar signed on to feed a growth campaign in Aus. Instead it is latched onto arguably the worst team in the comp. The utterly disastrous pre-season, which was undone amidst an internal review which began midseason (yes, it's already happened), effectively stamped Goodwin's, Macca's, and Jennings passports. Coincidence that Goodwin only now comes out and says he takes responsibility for what happened? I think not. And now murmurs of potential player exodus and trade requests, right as Ox says he is losing players. My mail admittedly comes from a mate of a mate of a mate, but connecting the dots and it all makes sense. The AFL fraternity isn't laughing at Melbourne. People are generally gobsmacked as to how significant the fall has been. and now there are concerns for player wellfare.

It has been as big a [censored] up as you're bound to see in the professional sporting industry.

Only Melbourne.

Seriously i have heard nothing. But if what you are saying turns into reality, i am not at all suprised. This 1 year fall has been enormous. It is not a blip. If players and sponsors want out after the success of 2018, then Goodwin has to go. There is no alternative. From your wording, he has had since the bye to resurrect his job and looks to have failed badly. 

I have NEVER seen  a team with Talent, play so badly for an entire season  

Those at fault must leave immediately, too much damage will be inflicted otherwise  

Sunday too far away cannot come quick enough. 

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Carried by haters,  spread by fools, accepted by idiots. Rumours.

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12 minutes ago, Demon3 said:

Carried by haters,  spread by fools, accepted by idiots. Rumours.

That's what I've been thinking as I've been reading the rumour about Sunday. When I read "a firend, of a friend, of a friend, but take me seriously" I couldn't help but shake my head. This season's been bad, but what I'm hearing doesn't follow the sacking narrative. May be wrong, but time will tell.

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imagine if we brought in Ross Lyon on the back of sacking Goodwin.. i’d leave the country permanently 

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44 minutes ago, praha said:

No. Unrelated. No point holding off on that until Sunday night.

If mail I'm hearing is correct and the player names I've heard are correct, then sacking Goodwin would be a blessing in disguise. I really don't want to see him sacked and am willing to give him until mid next year but the wheels have already fallen off. The club was banking on a second half improvement but in fact we've gotten worse. The impact to the bottom line has been disastrous and sponsors have already asked for a please explain. Jaguar signed on to feed a growth campaign in Aus. Instead it is latched onto arguably the worst team in the comp. The utterly disastrous pre-season, which was undone amidst an internal review which began midseason (yes, it's already happened), effectively stamped Goodwin's, Macca's, and Jennings passports. Coincidence that Goodwin only now comes out and says he takes responsibility for what happened? I think not. And now murmurs of potential player exodus and trade requests, right as Ox says he is losing players. My mail admittedly comes from a mate of a mate of a mate, but connecting the dots and it all makes sense. The AFL fraternity isn't laughing at Melbourne. People are generally gobsmacked as to how significant the fall has been. and now there are concerns for player wellfare.

It has been as big a [censored] up as you're bound to see in the professional sporting industry.

Only Melbourne.

Im not having a go at you or anyone, I like rumors etc.

But I find that bolded section staggering.... The MFC resigned Goodwin and roughly 6 months later are going to sack him?

If that's true i'd suggest the executives who made that decision should be looking for new job. 

People asking why we are such a bad club - well if that is true that's why. Our leadership and decisions makers are terrible. They don't have a vision and don't know what a successful club is.

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20 minutes ago, Unleash Hell said:

i agree.

The one similararity i am arguing against sacking Goodwin (and i readily admit i dont have all of thr facts), is the one thing successful clubs have in common is stability and good leadership.

Sacking key people isn't the answer.

In saying that a change of strategy maybe warranted but from my simple stand point sacking the coach because of 1 unsuccessful season is not the answer 

All very good points UH.   Out of the two most successful clubs in terms of ladder position since the modern era (ie., post 1990 / AFL), one is also the most stable club (ie., has never sacked a coach in that time.....they have all either retired, moved on / seen out their contracts)...

Extract courtesy of the Roar:  "Geelong average a remarkable ladder position of 5.5, have played the most grand finals, and are equal second for finals appearances, after West Coast. The Cats are a remarkably consistent club that seem to continually reinvent themselves, playing finals 67 per cent of the time, having snared three flags – and seem destined for the finals and another flag shot this year.

West Coast are very similar, with an average ladder position of 6.6, the most finals appearances, and six grand finals of their own at a 50 per cent return for three flags.

This is an interstate side who defies the consensus of extra travel equalling less success, who too are back in contention again this year.

Geelong and West Coast are inseparable as the two most consistent clubs in the AFL era. Hawthorn may have the most flags but it is the Cats and Eagles who give their fans the most chances for success."...end quote.

Also of those two clubs, they had two of the most successful coaches of modern times in Malthouse and Bomber Thompson.  Both took approx 180 matches before they cracked their first premiership!  Seven seasons of coaching, recruiting and hard work before the year in which they (and team) arrived.

The big question mark here is the "good leadership" aspect.  We now have three seasons worth of evidence....

2017 - up and down season just missing finals in a very poor final round showing against our next door rivals, the Pies (who had nothing to play for).  5/10

2018 - First half a pass mark then a strong finish.  Beat two solid opponents with finals cred then didn't show up on Prelim day.  Two out of three on the big stage for the first time in over a decade.  Big tick but also a big question mark to end the season (similar to 2017).  8/10

2019 - No need to comment.  We all know how this one went.  1/10 (for not winning any wood).

So the way i see it Goody is sitting on a very rough 4.6 / 10 performance rating (IMV) so far.

Is that sackable?

I''ll leave that up to those in charge to decide.  Personally i don't think so.  Stability is key and three years is still one year away from even the half way point of the 8 years (approx) it took some very good coaches to win their first.

In addition ......let's look at some current bottom dweller's on the win/loss % (see table below) and tell me who you see here that is an outlier whose team might finish as the minor premiers this season!?  So... it CAN turn around!

More time needed barring anything like 2019 (by the half way point of 2020 for mine).  Stability/loyalty is no doubt a better alternative to a sacking 'at this point' IMV.  Will he need some serious help from an older more experienced statesman in the box and on the track along with other changes, recruiting / high performance / line coaches etc?  Most certainly.  Changes to line coaches, Burgess, already underway.

While this year has been a horribilis we need to fix what is needed and all get around Goody for another serious crack in 2020 BUT.....he is certainly treading on thin ice at the moment and far from safe.  There will need to be a solid turnaround from the get go in 2020 to keep the wolves at bay and for the confidence and belief to return throughout the playing group and a very good ending also!

 Present AFL Coaches Regular Season Records & Statistics Past Coaches  |  All Coaches  
 
  Coach Games Wins Losses Draws Win %
1 Chris Scott 196 140 54 2 71.4%
2 Adam Simpson 130 85 44 1 65.4%
3 John Longmire 197 128 67 2 65.0%
4 Alastair Clarkson 324 199 123 2 61.4%
5 Don Pyke 87 53 33 1 60.9%
6 David Teague 10 6 4 0 60.0%
7 Nathan Buckley 175 98 76 1 56.0%
8 Damien Hardwick 219 122 95 2 55.7%
9 Leon Cameron 131 72 56 3 55.0%
10 Ken Hinkley 153 84 69 0 54.9%
11 Rhyce Shaw 11 6 5 0 54.5%
12 Luke Beveridge 109 59 50 0 54.1%
13 John Worsfold 350 180 168 2 51.4%
14 Brett Ratten 121 62 58 1 51.2%
15 Simon Goodwin 66 31 35 0 47.0%
16 Chris Fagan 65 26 39 0 40.0%
17 Stuart Dew 43 7 36 0 16.3%
 
 
 
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57 minutes ago, —coach— said:

Is it possible the announcement will be about Alan Richardson signing on to replace McCartney role?

The rumour which I heard on the rumour file was that - a coach of a Melbourne based team would be departing on Sunday"

Ross and John who knew which club was being referred to then made jokes about the snow, and John stated that he hoped that team did not have a big win on Sunday. All comments pointed to Goodwin.

It made me wonder whether the meeting with the AFL was also about getting financial support for the payout. 

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