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On 8/6/2019 at 9:49 AM, Big Carl said:

So if his contract finished at the end of 2019 would he be coach in 2020? I seriously doubt it.

Therefore he is only coaching in 2020 because we can’t afford to pay him out. Bad situation.

Goodwin would be coach next year regardless of contract situation. 2021-22 might be a different story, but there is no way he was getting sacked this year.

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19 hours ago, TGR said:

Goodwin had more faith in Lewis than 17 other coaches, including Clarko.

 

Do the maths.

How do you know other clubs weren't chasing him?

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25 minutes ago, demonstone said:

And here I was thinking you were as sharp as a tack!

Pizzed as a cricket maybe?

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57 minutes ago, ding said:

Zero confusion.

Shocking run with injuries coupled with a coach who was totally wrong in the way he prepared the team. Loss after loss destroyed the players confidence, which led to even more losses. Coaching box was out of its depth by round 4, and never recovered. I expected a slow start and said so several times early in the season (look up my posts). What i didnt expect was the total failure of the club to adapt to adversity.

Reality is everyones friend.

But according to you these problems would only be overcome by "massive wins in the trade period". Confusing.

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27 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Yes, thanks for that. I did realise it later. Yeah and co incidently Blakey is being talked up big time, commentators saying Captain in waiting. One season in with a bottom rung Club.

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1 hour ago, Fifty-5 said:

But according to you these problems would only be overcome by "massive wins in the trade period". Confusing.

Seriously, i dont think you are even trying to understand.

I believe last year was the outlier with the list we have. We just fell into the finals, and once there played a couple of great games, followed by the one which showed our true level. The list has several gaps to fill before finals becomes a regular occurrence imo.

 

2 x wingers who can get on the park and stay there.

1 x regular, quality tall forward (we can only cross our fingers thar Tommy gets back to 2018 form, and that Sam becomes a player... both are not much more than "hope-for-the-best" right now. Tommy obviously a better current prospect for 2020 than Weid as he at least has had a good year before)

1 x small forward (at a minimum. Our forward pressure doesnt exist atm)

2 x quality mids as our depth is about to retire or is already past its best.

1 x small backman as sadly Nev is on the downward leg of his career.

These gaps wont all be filled this trade/draft period, so im far from convinced unless our trade period is massive.

Coaching group needs complete rebuild, and Goodwin only survived because of his extended contract imo. 

 

Does that cover it?

 

 

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I think I'll do a poll go  see where people sit on finals or no finals next year.

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Just now, binman said:

I think I'll do a poll go  see where people sit on finals or no finals next year.

As it sits right now Bin, my answer is no. Ofc i can only base it on the players and coaches we currently have as none of us know what our list will look like on day 1 of 2020. We dont know who we will pick up to improve our list, and ofc we dont know who will ask to be traded away either.

MFC might be better for the off season, and we might be arguably worse. If we only pick up 18 year olds from the draft, and trade 1 or more of our better players, it will be hard to argue that we dont go into next season with less proven talent than we have now.

None of us can offer up an insightful answer right now, but my gut feel is no, we wont make it unless we have a net win in trades and coaching appointments.

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I have condensed an article from The Western Australian that appeared this morning. It refers to teh sacking of Ross Lyon and I think its applicable to Goodwins coaching philosopy.

Headline- Skill, Demeanour combine to torpedo Ross

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He (Lyon) arrived in 2012 and declared he coached effort not skill. He often spoke of skills as something that players should be working on in thier spare time when he was not teaching them the game plan. The poor skill level on show at Freemantle was a chicken and egg situation. Was it the result of poor recruting? or was it a case of players not being drilled to execute skills properly in in the intensity that games take place under?

In the round 16 Derby, Freo buthchered 10 extra inside 50's to kick 2.19 and lose by 91 points (sound familiar?) Finally, against Essendon an edge of 54 in contested possesions, 14 in clearnaces and 11 inside 50's resuted in a 31 point defeat (sound familiar?)

West Coast on the other hand under Simpson when he arrived in 2014 embarked on a summer of kicking drills involving the measurement of kicking accuray- the message to players was kicking accuarcy mattered.

Another thing noticed at West Coast was players who could not shift thier skills were moved on.

At Freemantle, strong role players with dodgy skills kept finding thier way into the team.

What has eveolved at Freemantle, over the past 4 years is a level of skill execution that on good days was just OK, but on bad days led to bizzare and horrendous outcomes (sound familiar?)

My take: Its seems to me that Goodwins main objective has been similar to Ross Lyon - Effort and an unhealthy reliance on measuring success on Contested ball, inside 50's, tackles etc. Somehere along the way skills have taken a back seat- BUT this is what wins games now.

 

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29 minutes ago, loges said:

How do you know other clubs weren't chasing him?

Kane Cornes.

 

I would bet that no club would have offered 2-3 years

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2 minutes ago, Sargent Shultz said:

I have condensed an article from The Western Australian that appeared this morning. It refers to teh sacking of Ross Lyon and I think its applicable to Goodwins coaching philosopy.

Headline- Skill, Demeanour combine to torpedo Ross

Editted article:

He (Lyon) arrived in 2012 and declared he coached effort not skill. He often spoke of skills as something that players should be working on in thier spare time when he was not teaching them the game plan. The poor skill level on show at Freemantle was a chicken and egg situation. Was it the result of poor recruting? or was it a case of players not being drilled to execute skills properly in in the intensity that games take place under?

In the round 16 Derby, Freo buthchered 10 extra inside 50's to kick 2.19 and lose by 91 points (sound familiar?) Finally, against Essendon an edge of 54 in contested possesions, 14 in clearnaces and 11 inside 50's resuted in a 31 point defeat (sound familiar?)

West Coast on the other hand under Simpson when he arrived in 2014 embarked on a summer of kicking drills involving the measurement of kicking accuray- the message to players was kicking accuarcy mattered.

Another thing noticed at West Coast was players who could not shift thier skills were moved on.

At Freemantle, strong role players with dodgy skills kept finding thier way into the team.

What has eveolved at Freemantle, over the past 4 years is a level of skill execution that on good days was just OK, but on bad days led to bizzare and horrendous outcomes (sound familiar?)

My take: Its seems to me that Goodwins main objective has been similar to Ross Lyon - Effort and an unhealthy reliance on measuring success on Contested ball, inside 50's, tackles etc. Somehere along the way skills have taken a back seat- BUT this is what wins games now.

 

Good post. Food for thought.

Roos is in same mould as Lyon, which is one reason his recent comments have rankled

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9 hours ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

If he's 2-9 by round 11, i wouldn't rule out the possibility he calls it quits on his terms, hence minimising the potential pay out he receives. And, he'd easily get another gig in the industry, either in club-land or the media.

The toll that the pressure would be taking on his mental health and his family would be debilitating, if things are really going south by mid next season. 

Mate if we are 0 and 6 to start the season he needs to go. It will be a big payout to him but will also be a big financial hit if he stays. 

I will be really interested to see how much our membership falls in 2020 just to compound the pressure on Goody. 

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2 minutes ago, TGR said:

Kane Cornes.

 

I would bet that no club would have offered 2-3 years

Goodwin knew he needed Lewis knowledge and experience, Shame he did not have the confidence to do the same with his assistant  coaches.

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23 minutes ago, ding said:

As it sits right now Bin, my answer is no. Ofc i can only base it on the players and coaches we currently have as none of us know what our list will look like on day 1 of 2020. We dont know who we will pick up to improve our list, and ofc we dont know who will ask to be traded away either.

MFC might be better for the off season, and we might be arguably worse. If we only pick up 18 year olds from the draft, and trade 1 or more of our better players, it will be hard to argue that we dont go into next season with less proven talent than we have now.

None of us can offer up an insightful answer right now, but my gut feel is no, we wont make it unless we have a net win in trades and coaching appointments.

We're not a million miles apart ding. I think we will.make finals. But to do more than just make finals we need to get our recruiting right and need to add some pace (over 200 not burst speed) and some foor skills 

I'm more confident about goody than you perhaps but agree much will hinge on what assistants come in. On that front I hope rawlings stays in the box.

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1 hour ago, binman said:

Yes, I genuinely believe we will (assuming we dont have the same horror preseason and injury rate we suffered this season)

Yes with a group of fit players and better "connectivity" and a soft draw, we are capable of top 4

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6 hours ago, Macca said:

I look forward to seeing how the team performs and how Goodwin goes with a new set of assistants.  It seems we're catching up with other sports with regards to changing tack rather than just replacing the head coach.

And when I say 'we' I mean the AFL and the industry and not necessarily the MFC.

With those changes we may see some levels of responsibilty moved away from Goodwin.  Not entirely but in part (?)  Recruitment,  Game plan,  Structures etc. 

And make no mistake,  Goodwin can't afford for the team to have another tardy start and he'll probably need 10 wins or more next year to stay as head coach.

So there's a lot to look forward to (perhaps with trepidation) This year is a write-off but the club has to learn a lot from the year and act accordingly

Many of our supporters just want it to end. 

If we add 3 good players in the off-season watch the enthusiasm return.  We know we've got a high end draft pick which we might be able to convert to 2 good players (or take 1 top prospect) but with some creative recruiting we can add some ready-to-go talent. 

I see recruiting as being high on the agenda ... in an ideal world we'd add in 4 or 5 new talented players (plug in and play types) but that's probably drawing a long bow. 

The forward line being the main area.  Not sold on Weideman and T-Mac is better placed as a utility forward.  So 2 marking forwards who can kick straight would be my wish (as well as a top prospect midfielder with our high-end draft pick)

The club has not recruited or traded like a professional organisation for over 10 years. I have no faith in it's ability to do so now 

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1 hour ago, TGR said:

Kane Cornes.

 

I would bet that no club would have offered 2-3 years

But you don't know do you!

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20 minutes ago, Panamapapers said:

The club has not recruited or traded like a professional organisation for over 10 years. I have no faith in it's ability to do so now 

Wow

Just

Wow

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20 minutes ago, Panamapapers said:

The club has not recruited or traded like a professional organisation for over 10 years. I have no faith in it's ability to do so now 

You dont rate gawn, hogan, trac, brayshaw, oliver or the contribution of lewis, cross or vince?

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3 minutes ago, binman said:

You dont rate gawn, hogan, trac, brayshaw, oliver or the contribution of lewis, cross or vince?

Have a look at this person's posts. Clearly a mess. He wanted to trade Hogan for Rance and Petracca for a third round pick. Not making that up. Wouldn't bother engaging mate.

I'll let him speak for himself...

 

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23 minutes ago, loges said:

But you don't know do you!

Yes.  No other club was desperate nor stupid enough to offer him a 3 year deal like we did.

Happy for you to come up with one club that offered him 1 year.  You probably don't know do you!

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3 minutes ago, TGR said:

Yes.  No other club was desperate nor stupid enough to offer him a 3 year deal like we did.

Happy for you to come up with one club that offered him 1 year.  You probably don't know do you!

It wasn’t stupid to have Lewis on the list for 3 years

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12 minutes ago, TGR said:

Yes.  No other club was desperate nor stupid enough to offer him a 3 year deal like we did.

Happy for you to come up with one club that offered him 1 year.  You probably don't know do you!

I probably know as well as you do. It's always great to come on here and read people expressing their opinions as fact.

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