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I agree with lads on podcast:

Round 4/5 next year we will know - and either act, procastinate or, as that pig of a man Alan Jones meant to say.....

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29 minutes ago, drysdale demon said:

Your head space only, if we cop a hiding nothing will happen.

Trouble is, people you have been saying that for years. 

Good Clubs go down fighting, even when the season is done. 

The MFC just goes down....

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1 hour ago, Macca said:

I look forward to seeing how the team performs and how Goodwin goes with a new set of assistants.  It seems we're catching up with other sports with regards to changing tack rather than just replacing the head coach.

And when I say 'we' I mean the AFL and the industry and not necessarily the MFC.

With those changes we may see some levels of responsibilty moved away from Goodwin.  Not entirely but in part (?)  Recruitment,  Game plan,  Structures etc. 

And make no mistake,  Goodwin can't afford for the team to have another tardy start and he'll probably need 10 wins or more next year to stay as head coach.

So there's a lot to look forward to (perhaps with trepidation) This year is a write-off but the club has to learn a lot from the year and act accordingly

Many of our supporters just want it to end. 

If we add 3 good players in the off-season watch the enthusiasm return.  We know we've got a high end draft pick which we might be able to convert to 2 good players (or take 1 top prospect) but with some creative recruiting we can add some ready-to-go talent. 

I see recruiting as being high on the agenda ... in an ideal world we'd add in 4 or 5 new talented players (plug in and play types) but that's probably drawing a long bow. 

The forward line being the main area.  Not sold on Weideman and T-Mac is better placed as a utility forward.  So 2 marking forwards who can kick straight would be my wish (as well as a top prospect midfielder with our high-end draft pick)

I have been thinking about your wish for plug and play types, Macca. We seem to lack depth, and skillful quick ball users. Could we recruit the best 6 of these players in the state leagues and work with the new conditioning team to bring them up?

This would give us mature developing players with good skills and speed in the rookie category and 2 may be good long term pick ups?

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1 hour ago, Dee tention said:

I think the Hobart game is going to tell us a lot of where the players heads are at. And coaching!

I expect there to be significant changes to the side to play North. Possibly Gawn and Lever not to be risked and the 2nd tier to be given game time.

We will get absolutely belted out of the park if we choose not to run, man up and play contested footy. Kangas will be ruthless! 

I don’t want to see a belting of 100+ points which might be on the cards.

If this happens! Watch this space... 

We're already giving the 4th tier game time and you want to leave Gawn and Lever out and look for a beneficial result?

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Macca and Lewis have both been strong in their support for Goodwin and the list.  Yes I agree it's unlikely they would have criticised the club but they needn't have been so bold and constructive either.  It's a good sign.

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1 hour ago, defuture15 said:

I have been thinking about your wish for plug and play types, Macca. We seem to lack depth, and skillful quick ball users. Could we recruit the best 6 of these players in the state leagues and work with the new conditioning team to bring them up?

This would give us mature developing players with good skills and speed in the rookie category and 2 may be good long term pick ups?

In my ideal world we'd bring in 5 decent free agents who step straight into the 22.  Win now becomes a reality.

But realistically,  2 free agents or 2 experienced types might do.  In the AFL is is very difficult to recruit aggressively for immediate effect.

As stated previously,  we need to be creative with our recruiting.  Using next years (2020) first rounder or even the 2nd rounder as well.  Or perhaps this years 2nd rounder?

Our needs are immediate in my belief.  Especially in the forward line.

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1 hour ago, Fifty-5 said:

Macca and Lewis have both been strong in their support for Goodwin and the list.  Yes I agree it's unlikely they would have criticised the club but they needn't have been so bold and constructive either.  It's a good sign.

 

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2 hours ago, Macca said:

I look forward to seeing how the team performs and how Goodwin goes with a new set of assistants.  It seems we're catching up with other sports with regards to changing tack rather than just replacing the head coach.

And when I say 'we' I mean the AFL and the industry and not necessarily the MFC.

With those changes we may see some levels of responsibilty moved away from Goodwin.  Not entirely but in part (?)  Recruitment,  Game plan,  Structures etc. 

And make no mistake,  Goodwin can't afford for the team to have another tardy start and he'll probably need 10 wins or more next year to stay as head coach.

So there's a lot to look forward to (perhaps with trepidation) This year is a write-off but the club has to learn a lot from the year and act accordingly

Many of our supporters just want it to end. 

If we add 3 good players in the off-season watch the enthusiasm return.  We know we've got a high end draft pick which we might be able to convert to 2 good players (or take 1 top prospect) but with some creative recruiting we can add some ready-to-go talent. 

I see recruiting as being high on the agenda ... in an ideal world we'd add in 4 or 5 new talented players (plug in and play types) but that's probably drawing a long bow. 

The forward line being the main area.  Not sold on Weideman and T-Mac is better placed as a utility forward.  So 2 marking forwards who can kick straight would be my wish (as well as a top prospect midfielder with our high-end draft pick)

Richmond probably the only team in recent times to do that (at least successfully). There is a good doco on youtube about their 2017, including the fallout from 2016. They basically rebuilt the coaching staff, completely changed the gameplan, recruited aggressively to plug holes, and dumped a favourite son in Deledio to create cap flexibility. They made tough but necessary changes. I think Goodwin has it in him to be similarly inventive and innovative, I'm far from sold on his coaching prowess, however, and so am not confident it will work.

Unfortunately, the only way he can save his career is by making quick, erratic changes for an immediate turnaround. Revolutionary change in business either goes really well, or you crash hard. We more often see the evolutionary shift, the slow build up, but unfortunately it takes only one crash for an erratic shift to drive change. I'm hoping 2019 wasn't a crash, and that 2020 will be a market correction (occurs daily on the stock market). The worst possible scenario is that 2014-2018 was the rise, and the 2019 crash is the correction.

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17 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

This from a poster who admitted in this thread the only thing he’s happy about is being able to gloat over posters who have tried to remain optimistic. 

If you want to be pessimistic, fine. This season has given you every right to be. 

But don’t use your own negativity to take down people who have tried to remain optimistic and then get upset about people who don’t share your negativity.

Remember, you’re taking the easy way out. So long as we don’t win the flag in any given year, you’ll always be right. 

The irony will be that if we do turn things around, as I fully expect they will few posters who are now saying we are in crisis mode and a turn around is unlikely (last yearcwas tge abberraration!) will admit they were  wrong.

Some will even use the  turnaround as evidence they were right. Not sure how but they will find a way (e.g. claim the changes that have commenced and/or flagged as coming are  tacit evidence of the non existent crisis).

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22 minutes ago, binman said:

The irony will be that if we do turn things around, as I fully expect they will few posters who are now saying we are in crisis mode and a turn around is unlikely (last yearcwas tge abberraration!) will admit they were  wrong.

Some will even use the  turnaround as evidence they were right. Not sure how but they will find a way (e.g. claim the changes that have commenced and/or flagged as coming are  tacit evidence of the non existent crisis).

Not sure your claim makes any sense, as you are well aware there is and will continue to be major changes taking place in the off season.  All we can go on for now is we will finish the year in 17th place and it is hard to argue we do not belong there for now.  New season brings a fresh wind and hope. We are all in some way optimists or we would not still be supporting the Red and Blue.

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3 minutes ago, Sorry kids said:

Not sure your claim makes any sense, as you are well aware there is and will continue to be major changes taking place in the off season.  All we can go on for now is we will finish the year in 17th place and it is hard to argue we do not belong there for now.  New season brings a fresh wind and hope. We are all in some way optimists or we would not still be supporting the Red and Blue.

What evidence do you have that major changes will be taking place in the off season 

Do you mean greater number of changes than normal  or more significant changes as I have seen nothing published as 

to confirm anything

 

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40 minutes ago, binman said:

The irony will be that if we do turn things around, as I fully expect they will few posters who are now saying we are in crisis mode and a turn around is unlikely (last yearcwas tge abberraration!) will admit they were  wrong.

Some will even use the  turnaround as evidence they were right. Not sure how but they will find a way (e.g. claim the changes that have commenced and/or flagged as coming are  tacit evidence of the non existent crisis).

It's a stone cold certainty that they'll say that the club finally listened to what they have been saying and that they are in fact responsible for the turnaround and without them it never would have happened.

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13 minutes ago, Kent said:

What evidence do you have that major changes will be taking place in the off season 

Do you mean greater number of changes than normal  or more significant changes as I have seen nothing published as 

to confirm anything

McCartney is gone. Jennings is gone. Rooke is likely gone. Rawlings and Plapp both chances to be gone.

Misson is gone. Burgess is in.

Some regulars including ANB and Frost out of contract.

There's already been some pretty major changes officially.

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2 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

McCartney is gone. Jennings is gone. Rooke is likely gone. Rawlings and Plapp both chances to be gone.

Misson is gone. Burgess is in.

Some regulars including ANB and Frost out of contract.

There's already been some pretty major changes officially.

They aren't major changes Lord.

They were all picked or contracted by Goody.Misson left of his own volition anb shouldnt be on the list.

Frost should be

Nothing major here.

 

 

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1 minute ago, Kent said:

They aren't major changes Lord.

They were all picked or contracted by Goody.Misson left of his own volition anb shouldnt be on the list.

Frost should be

Nothing major here.

Seriously?

Senior assistant coach - gone.

Head of strategy - gone.

Head of elite performance - gone.

That's already major and the season hasn't even finished.

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19 minutes ago, Fifty-5 said:

It's a stone cold certainty that they'll say that the club finally listened to what they have been saying and that they are in fact responsible for the turnaround and without them it never would have happened.

Haha thats funny.

Look at you and Binman patting each other on the back for a turnaround that not only hasnt happened yet, but is no certainty to even occur.

Define what you consider to be this "turnaround" and we can have a debate about it. Remember that we played in a prelim last year so that was the starting point before we crashed. Do you think we will get back to that level? A simple improvement to mid table wont cut it as a "turnaround"  IMHO. 

Im not interested in a pissing contest, i just want to hear what you believers consider to be a successful turnaround. To me, missing finals wont qualify even if we finish 9th as we already played in and won finals last year. If we immediately return to the top 8 next year i will be more than happy to suck it up and admit i was wron.. wrrrrr, .... incorrect.

I am extremely sceptical at this point, and unless we have massive wins in the trade period can see next year being a fail as well.

 

 

 

 

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Good question ding.

Making finals to me would qualify as a turnaround.

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13 minutes ago, ding said:

I am extremely sceptical at this point, and unless we have massive wins in the trade period can see next year being a fail as well.

You seem confused about whether you believe the problem is the coach or the playing list.

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Just now, binman said:

Good question ding.

Making finals to me would qualify as a turnaround.

I agree. In fact it would be my only definition of a turnaround.

Im flat as a tack right now, and cant see any light at the end of this collapsed tunnel that we were racing down last year.........

Do you genuinely think we will be a finalist next year?

 

*P.S. lie if you have to as i dont want to read anyone else say we cant make it. 

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Just now, Fifty-5 said:

You seem confused about whether you believe the problem is the coach or the playing list.

Zero confusion.

Shocking run with injuries coupled with a coach who was totally wrong in the way he prepared the team. Loss after loss destroyed the players confidence, which led to even more losses. Coaching box was out of its depth by round 4, and never recovered. I expected a slow start and said so several times early in the season (look up my posts). What i didnt expect was the total failure of the club to adapt to adversity.

Reality is everyones friend.

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11 minutes ago, ding said:

I agree. In fact it would be my only definition of a turnaround.

Im flat as a tack right now, and cant see any light at the end of this collapsed tunnel that we were racing down last year.........

Do you genuinely think we will be a finalist next year?

 

*P.S. lie if you have to as i dont want to read anyone else say we cant make it. 

Yes, I genuinely believe we will (assuming we dont have the same horror preseason and injury rate we suffered this season)

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19 minutes ago, ding said:

Zero confusion.

Shocking run with injuries coupled with a coach who was totally wrong in the way he prepared the team. Loss after loss destroyed the players confidence, which led to even more losses. Coaching box was out of its depth by round 4, and never recovered. I expected a slow start and said so several times early in the season (look up my posts). What i didnt expect was the total failure of the club to adapt to adversity.

Reality is everyones friend.

No more to add...just wanted this repeated ^^^^

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1 hour ago, Kent said:

What evidence do you have that major changes will be taking place in the off season 

Do you mean greater number of changes than normal  or more significant changes as I have seen nothing published as 

to confirm anything

 

Note to Kent.

It is still in season, not the off season. Beyond that we have had our fitness guy leave, a new one come in, assistant coaches leaving and a coach who acknowledged he got things wrong in the pre season and during the early part of the season.  And its still August.

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8 minutes ago, binman said:

Yes, I genuinely believe we will (assuming we dont have the same horror preseason and injury rate we suffered this season)

Binman, not having a go but would like to see your best 18-22. I am struggling with mine to find certainties and have lots of gaps.

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35 minutes ago, ding said:

Im flat as a tack right now,

And here I was thinking you were as sharp as a tack!

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