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4 hours ago, Redleg said:

Lewis is a pretty honest guy and if Goodwin was losing the players, he wouldn't comment publicly.

The fact that he has endorsed him, is enough on that subject for me.

Goodwin had more faith in Lewis than 17 other coaches, including Clarko.

 

Do the maths.

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1 hour ago, Unleash Hell said:

I like Ratts as well, he was good when he was here as a long time ago when he first started. 

I think Mitchell is another stand out candidate. 

I still think our biggest issue isn't strategy or style, I think it's the ability to execute on game day. 

But we will see.
 

 

I think it is a bit of all those things. We will find out soon enough

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3 hours ago, jumbo returns said:

West Coast are a bloody good team!

Yes they are. Goodwin refused to learn from it. Said it was “just a bad day”

He should have had that whole game time coded and studied within 2 days. 

Would have taught him something...

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8 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Yes they are. Goodwin refused to learn from it. Said it was “just a bad day”

He should have had that whole game time coded and studied within 2 days. 

Would have taught him something...

Yes, that WC were a better side than us. Small forwards, key forwards, a top backline and pace and skill exposed us. An ability to execute under pressure as well. 

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8 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Yes they are. Goodwin refused to learn from it. Said it was “just a bad day”

He should have had that whole game time coded and studied within 2 days. 

Would have taught him something...

I think the club didn't review that game simply because we didn't turn up to play and not because WCE had picked our game plan apart.

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23 hours ago, Mel Bourne said:

Schwartz, sticking the boot in harder than anyone we’ve seen do in the media this year. 

There’s nowhere to hide now for the coach. Something seismic needs to occur, and quickly. 

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Recently read Schwarta's book. Man, did he go down in my estimation. OK he was honest about himself but the game was never his priority. He was fantastic at his natural best, and his recommitment to the game was courageous, yet even then he failed to make the most of himself because the punt was his first love and priority. 

He does not come across as a careful thinker and there are plenty of others whose opinions I value above his. So on this matter I am going to go with Jordie.

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58 minutes ago, chookrat said:

I think the club didn't review that game simply because we didn't turn up to play and not because WCE had picked our game plan apart.

Maybe. However this assumption by the coaching staff has been countered by the fact that in the last 12 months basically every team has able to counter our gameplan with ease.

If the coaches truly haven't reviewed it under the assumption that 'we can't be beaten so easily', this would explain the continual re-assertion that we just need to get better at what we do, rather than address a plan that may be fundamentally flawed. 

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If he's 2-9 by round 11, i wouldn't rule out the possibility he calls it quits on his terms, hence minimising the potential pay out he receives. And, he'd easily get another gig in the industry, either in club-land or the media.

The toll that the pressure would be taking on his mental health and his family would be debilitating, if things are really going south by mid next season. 

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1 hour ago, chookrat said:

I think the club didn't review that game simply because we didn't turn up to play and not because WCE had picked our game plan apart.

Too easy Chook and yes i think that is exactly what the Club did

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1 hour ago, pitmaster said:

Recently read Schwarta's book. Man, did he go down in my estimation. OK he was honest about himself but the game was never his priority. He was fantastic at his natural best, and his recommitment to the game was courageous, yet even then he failed to make the most of himself because the punt was his first love and priority. 

He does not come across as a careful thinker and there are plenty of others whose opinions I value above his. So on this matter I am going to go with Jordie.

I watched The Press Conference last night and i think Lewis was completely honest. Goodwin still has the players well and truly, and this is what makes our situation actually worse. Everybody is trying!! What has actually been taught this year? That is what concerns me

We are in the middle of a big mess

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18 minutes ago, demon3165 said:

Keep posting SWYL it's good for the soul to have a good laugh during the day.... 

React any way you wish

 

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1 hour ago, Cam Schwab's Whiteboard said:

Maybe. However this assumption by the coaching staff has been countered by the fact that in the last 12 months basically every team has able to counter our gameplan with ease.

If the coaches truly haven't reviewed it under the assumption that 'we can't be beaten so easily', this would explain the continual re-assertion that we just need to get better at what we do, rather than address a plan that may be fundamentally flawed. 

Its a good point re our performance this year. I'm not convinced our game plan was picked apart this year but rather we failed to get it going due to poor preparation and lack of match style practice, which resulted in poor execution, heavy scoring against due to turnovers and a loss of confidence from the playing group. In any case I'm not expecting a bottom 4 finish next year but whether we are a middling side or bounce right back remains to be seen. 

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2 minutes ago, chookrat said:

Its a good point re our performance this year. I'm not convinced our game plan was picked apart this year but rather we failed to get it going due to poor preparation and lack of match style practice, which resulted in poor execution, heavy scoring against due to turnovers and a loss of confidence from the playing group. In any case I'm not expecting a bottom 4 finish next year but whether we are a middling side or bounce right back remains to be seen. 

I agree with a fair bit of that.
I don't think we are bottom 4 talent-wise, and am expecting a jump next year simply due to fitness, injuries, etc. Pick 2 and Langdon (?) adds more quality too.

I really hope you're right about the team being unable to implement the gameplan based on fitness. However, I haven't liked the way the team plays since the start of last year, and have heard opposition players and coaches dissect us with ease and simplicity each week. Of course, that's just the opinion of a supporter, but my worry that the Club thinks that it's about 'getting back to basics', when those basics just don't work without absolute dominance. The Club lacks efficiency all over the ground, which makes everything so hard. I would like to see some creativity, a decent alternative style for when things aren't going well, and for things to be 'easier' across the field.

 

I hope Goodwin is the right Guy, I really do! Next year will, of course, tell us all we need to know.

 

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41 minutes ago, Cam Schwab's Whiteboard said:

I agree with a fair bit of that.
I don't think we are bottom 4 talent-wise, and am expecting a jump next year simply due to fitness, injuries, etc. Pick 2 and Langdon (?) adds more quality too.

I really hope you're right about the team being unable to implement the gameplan based on fitness. However, I haven't liked the way the team plays since the start of last year, and have heard opposition players and coaches dissect us with ease and simplicity each week. Of course, that's just the opinion of a supporter, but my worry that the Club thinks that it's about 'getting back to basics', when those basics just don't work without absolute dominance. The Club lacks efficiency all over the ground, which makes everything so hard. I would like to see some creativity, a decent alternative style for when things aren't going well, and for things to be 'easier' across the field.

 

I hope Goodwin is the right Guy, I really do! Next year will, of course, tell us all we need to know.

 

The faith and hope levels on this topic are staggering.

Gee I really hope for some hope.

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20 minutes ago, Kent said:

The faith and hope levels on this topic are staggering.

Gee I really hope for some hope.

@Kent - I am genuinely curious  - in case I am missing something.  What factors that have been documented this year do you exclude as reasons for the poor performance and what factors do you place most weight on, as reasons for the poor performance?

I break things down throughout the season in my head like the image presented. (rough estimates of round)

Coaches/fd every year will tweak things because thats what they do, irrespective of where they finish on the ladder. No one ever sits still. ever. Hence demonlanders have plenty of optimisim when you look at the season through the lens of the impact of injuries.

Of course it is yours and whomever else prerogative NOT to use that lens as some form of reasonable reference point.

 

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Good thinking from GC for a change. Spotted an area needing development and is acting:


"We are invested in what is the next phase of growth for Stuart and his team of coaches," Evans said. 

"Some clubs have found some benefit in having a director of coaching or mentor program or leadership program.

"We would consider anything we thought could speed up that development." 

Suns consider coaching director to back Dew's development

 

Hope we look at something similar, especially given we've now lost two of our three reasonably experienced assistants. IMO Goodwin needs more experience around him, and there's plenty of options out there after this season.

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I think the Hobart game is going to tell us a lot of where the players heads are at. And coaching!

I expect there to be significant changes to the side to play North. Possibly Gawn and Lever not to be risked and the 2nd tier to be given game time.

We will get absolutely belted out of the park if we choose not to run, man up and play contested footy. Kangas will be ruthless! 

I don’t want to see a belting of 100+ points which might be on the cards.

If this happens! Watch this space... 

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I look forward to seeing how the team performs and how Goodwin goes with a new set of assistants.  It seems we're catching up with other sports with regards to changing tack rather than just replacing the head coach.

And when I say 'we' I mean the AFL and the industry and not necessarily the MFC.

With those changes we may see some levels of responsibilty moved away from Goodwin.  Not entirely but in part (?)  Recruitment,  Game plan,  Structures etc. 

And make no mistake,  Goodwin can't afford for the team to have another tardy start and he'll probably need 10 wins or more next year to stay as head coach.

So there's a lot to look forward to (perhaps with trepidation) This year is a write-off but the club has to learn a lot from the year and act accordingly

Many of our supporters just want it to end. 

If we add 3 good players in the off-season watch the enthusiasm return.  We know we've got a high end draft pick which we might be able to convert to 2 good players (or take 1 top prospect) but with some creative recruiting we can add some ready-to-go talent. 

I see recruiting as being high on the agenda ... in an ideal world we'd add in 4 or 5 new talented players (plug in and play types) but that's probably drawing a long bow. 

The forward line being the main area.  Not sold on Weideman and T-Mac is better placed as a utility forward.  So 2 marking forwards who can kick straight would be my wish (as well as a top prospect midfielder with our high-end draft pick)

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3 hours ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

f he's 2-9 by round 11, i wouldn't rule out the possibility he calls it quits on his terms, hence minimising the potential pay out he receives. And, he'd easily get another gig in the industry, either in club-land or the media.

The toll that the pressure would be taking on his mental health and his family would be debilitating, if things are really going south by mid next season. 

2 million roughly is pay out figure at that time so I don't think he'll walk.

The best we could do is an off set agreement which is what Scott from North was said to have signed ie outstanding contract remuneration discounted for present value less whatever he earns over the contract period.

TBH the financial impact will still be huge but if we are 2-9 this club will really be looking down the barrel.

 

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16 hours ago, Demonsone said:

Would you replace him with Lyon now if $$$ wasn’t an issue?? 

 

 

Gee you would have to look long and hard on the possibility!!

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2 hours ago, Cam Schwab's Whiteboard said:

Iope Goodwin is the right Guy, I really do! Next year will, of course, tell us all we need to know.

Not necessarily

If I was to hazard a guess we might end up in that inbetween area.  9-10 wins

And 9 -10 wins next year might look like a figure that we'd perhaps find acceptable now but many will want finals and be dissatisfied with that amount of wins. 

Many others will cop 9 or 10 wins as it takes us out of that mediocre/basket case area. 

If we challenge for the finals or make the finals Goodwin stays on.  Anything less than that and there will be question marks.  Not from all but a reasonable percentage. 

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It is instructive that this thread was begun after round 5, 2018.

We were then 2 wins, 3 losses and had just been dismantled by Hawthorn. Our record for the rest of the year was 14 wins, 6 losses. The wins included two finals matches during which we ejected Hawthorn from the finals race. 

This thread was begun in a knee-jerk, headless chook style that was shown to be unfounded. After an injury-wracked season it has now devolved into idle speculation about what our win:loss might be around Queens Birthday next year.

Time to let it go.

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Enough enough of this crap and thread ( me included )

Goodwin may not be Norm Smith but he ain't Neeld either.

He is the coach of the MFC for 2020 and beyond.

So why don't we just close the thread and get on with positive thoughts about the Dees in 2020.

 We might have over achieved in 2018 but we are not as bad as 2019.

Go Dees.

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