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21 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

When you are thrashed in a Preliminary Final and have a Half Time score of Zero Goals, you do not just tinker with a game plan. It’s pure arrogance and naive stupidity.

Why?

This Season gives all the answers. If Goodwin hadn’t signed on over Summer, i don’t think he would be here right now. 

That is how bad this year has been imo. 

West Coast are a bloody good team!

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15 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Was sort of thinking  had he essentially  lost the group it would explain much. 

That many assert he hasnt just raises more questions  really.

I think one of the many problems with us (and it has been this way for quite a while) is we lack really super strong leadership. The players look disinterested and I can definitely understand taking that as a sign of losing the players, but I think it’s as much the fault of Jones and Viney (and whole group). 

Goodwin is obviously struggling to get the players “up” but it should be on the playing group to motivate each other and push standards. Instead they’re bickering and playing selfish, statists driven games because they’re focused on their own interests. 

This has been a horror year but what will truly show the metal of Goodwin is how he is able to learn from it and ensure we are back to being contenders again next year. 

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Really enjoyed hearing what Jordie had to say about Goody in his presser today. It won't prevent others from spinning his words to suit their own narrative of course but these are the times we live in. 

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I like Goodwin, think he’s an aggressive, innovative and obsessive coach. 

My two bits on what happened this year is that after the prelim loss, Hogan leaving and the new rules, that Goodwin cooked up some major game plan changes to implement, but due to injuries and the specific focus of those injuries was not able to implement his changes. Nor was he willing (able) to back off once committed to them even once injuries made it apparent they’d not be effectively implemented this year...

lots of learning for him and the team. We’ve no reason to panic (I know “WE ARE 17th”...), as he (Goodwin) is a creative football innovator and leader, and inherent in innovating is being able to safely fail , grow and improve... many of the current successful coaches have had dips, hit issues, adapted and grown, and with that growth, their teams fortunes have risen...

bring on 2020.

 

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33 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

When you are thrashed in a Preliminary Final and have a Half Time score of Zero Goals, you do not just tinker with a game plan. It’s pure arrogance and naive stupidity.

Why?

This Season gives all the answers. If Goodwin hadn’t signed on over Summer, i don’t think he would be here right now. 

That is how bad this year has been imo. 

I tend to agree, i think if this was the last year in Goodwins contract we'd probably have to seriously consider if we stick with him or look at someone like Ross Lyon who has a proven record taking teams deep into september consistently over a long period of time. 

but that's not the case so it's about working out exactly what has gone wrong, making sure it never happens again and entering 2020 with the view that it's a ruthless no excuses year for the club and if we fail to deliver a finals spot i would say we need to make hard decisions. 

i don't buy the winning a few more games is okay. this list is finals ready. Goodwin will have the coaching and support he wants, the young players are all getting up around 100 games and we will add some speed into the team. there is no excuse not to play finals next year. especially given we will have a bottom 2 fixture. 

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3 minutes ago, Patches O’houlihan said:

I tend to agree, i think if this was the last year in Goodwins contract we'd probably have to seriously consider if we stick with him or look at someone like Ross Lyon who has a proven record taking teams deep into september consistently over a long period of time. 

but that's not the case so it's about working out exactly what has gone wrong, making sure it never happens again and entering 2020 with the view that it's a ruthless no excuses year for the club and if we fail to deliver a finals spot i would say we need to make hard decisions. 

i don't buy the winning a few more games is okay. this list is finals ready. Goodwin will have the coaching and support he wants, the young players are all getting up around 100 games and we will add some speed into the team. there is no excuse not to play finals next year. especially given we will have a bottom 2 fixture. 

All depends on attitude Patch

this club has a history of avoiding really hard work. 

But maybe this disastrous 2019 will be a catalyst for better standards right through the building 

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22 minutes ago, PaulRB said:

I like Goodwin, think he’s an aggressive, innovative and obsessive coach. 

My two bits on what happened this year is that after the prelim loss, Hogan leaving and the new rules, that Goodwin cooked up some major game plan changes to implement, but due to injuries and the specific focus of those injuries was not able to implement his changes. Nor was he willing (able) to back off once committed to them even once injuries made it apparent they’d not be effectively implemented this year...

lots of learning for him and the team. We’ve no reason to panic (I know “WE ARE 17th”...), as he (Goodwin) is a creative football innovator and leader, and inherent in innovating is being able to safely fail , grow and improve... many of the current successful coaches have had dips, hit issues, adapted and grown, and with that growth, their teams fortunes have risen...

bring on 2020.

 

I think this year is far worse than just “a dip”....

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11 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

I think this year is far worse than just “a dip”....

It’s kinda semantics...

This year we had a worse draw, a very interrupted and shortened pre-season, a woeful injuries run during season, a fitness guy who lost the confidence of many and as a result our team lost cohesion as we were unable to implement game style improvements... especially in the front and back halves where injuries hit consistently, blah blah blah...  all of this for a coach in his third year as Head coach after barely putting a foot wrong in his first two seasons...

yeah let’s string him up!!! 🙄 

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6 minutes ago, PaulRB said:

It’s kinda semantics...

This year we had a worse draw, a very interrupted and shortened pre-season, a woeful injuries run during season, a fitness guy who lost the confidence of many and as a result our team lost cohesion as we were unable to implement game style improvements... especially in the front and back halves where injuries hit consistently, blah blah blah...  all of this for a coach in his third year as Head coach after barely putting a foot wrong in his first two seasons...

yeah let’s string him up!!! 🙄 

Other Clubs sort it out, at Melbourne it gets worse as the year progresses 

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44 minutes ago, Demonsone said:

Would you replace him with Lyon now if $$$ wasn’t an issue?? 

 

 

No

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Just now, beelzebub said:

No

Who are you going o replace him with?

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4 minutes ago, Unleash Hell said:

Who are you going o replace him with?

Id seriously  consider Rawlings.

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2 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Id seriously  consider Rawlings.

Interesting

Id lean more towards a Mitchell, but I can't say I follow the coaching scene too closely

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10 minutes ago, Unleash Hell said:

Who are you going o replace him with?

I would be into Ratten 24/7 before he signs any Aints deal

Money talks

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23 minutes ago, waynewussell said:

Jordie just shot down a lot of opinions expressed here!

And Matthews just shot down our game style and season 2019 planning.

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32 minutes ago, Sorry kids said:

And Matthews just shot down our game style and season 2019 planning.

Looking at the ladder and the % can tell you the exact same thing.

The point was never "have we had a bad year?" The issue is who is in the best place to fix it.

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35 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

I would be into Ratten 24/7 before he signs any Aints deal

Money talks

I like Ratts as well, he was good when he was here as a long time ago when he first started. 

I think Mitchell is another stand out candidate. 

I still think our biggest issue isn't strategy or style, I think it's the ability to execute on game day. 

But we will see.
 

 

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6 minutes ago, Unleash Hell said:

Looking at the ladder and the % can tell you the exact same thing.

The point was never "have we had a bad year?" The issue is who is in the best place to fix it.

He was talking about why we had a bad year.

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On 8/17/2019 at 3:14 AM, jnrmac said:

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Goodwin is clueless. Seems that you are too. Abusing posters is very mature of you. Check the mirrror.

Read the thread and you'll see that this club is in deep trouble. Probably too hard for you but we can't afford to lose one supporter and there are dozens of committed supporters that are over this club.

As for you footy knowledge - "I've mentioned multiple times that I still have no idea if the players are playing for him or not" - it looks pretty non-existent. The players haven't played for him all year. He hasn't a clue how to turn this train wreck around.

This from a poster who admitted in this thread the only thing he’s happy about is being able to gloat over posters who have tried to remain optimistic. 

If you want to be pessimistic, fine. This season has given you every right to be. 

But don’t use your own negativity to take down people who have tried to remain optimistic and then get upset about people who don’t share your negativity.

Remember, you’re taking the easy way out. So long as we don’t win the flag in any given year, you’ll always be right. 

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Meanwhile I find Lewis’ comments about Goodwin interesting. If he had truly lost the players, why say anything at all?

I’m inclined to put more stock in his comments than Schwarz’s. 

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Just now, titan_uranus said:

Meanwhile I find Lewis’ comments about Goodwin interesting. If he had truly lost the players, why say anything at all?

I’m inclined to put more stock in his comments than Schwarz’s. 

Totally agree, of course Lewis will support Goodwin. Find an unbiased perspective 

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Every post here is biased - we will find out who was right sometime next year. Meanwhile let’s keep abusing each other. 

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