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I'm an intra day stock trader and I see strong parallels between Goody's coaching and an underperfoming trader

 

Goody reminds me of a trader who's discovered what he thinks is the holy grail technical market indicator (contest based footy) He's convinced it's a sure thing and will lead him to riches in the market (top 2). He possibly had a month or two of gains (2018) but he's now losing - Consistantly and a lot! (2019) . He's sure if he tweaks it just a bit all will be good again but remains oblivious to fact the market has changed and hasn't realised this indicator is very limited and only works in certain market conditions that no longer exist (oppo has worked us out)

Like many here I was flabergasted when Goody said he'd chosen not to review the Eagles finals loss last year. If I have a big trading loss, no matter how painful (they hurt!!!!)  I review the living bejesus out of it. I don't want to make the same mistake twice. I want to know everything! Was it market conditions that didn't suit the trade plan? Was my state of mind making for poor execution or risk management? or did I miss an important cue in the charts that may have saved me that huge drawdown?  You can not brush anything under the carpet or make excuses if you want be a successful in this game and your biggest learnings always come from losses not wins.

 

Great growth in trading is often proceeded by a particularly dark period but to grow from there you have to be able to let go of thinking you know the answer as the solution is often not what you think. Hearing him yet again after our Swans loss, talk about getting back to the 'contested' Melbourne brand and 'working our backsides off' along with bewildering player selections suggest Goody's head is still firmly in the sand. I hope he pulls it out real soon before it's too late and this playing group is damaged beyond repair and become like the trader who's had too many big losses and along with their money, lost their nerve.

 

Right now we're right on the precipice but I'm so hoping I come back to this thread in 12 months and he's proved us all totally wrong

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14 minutes ago, xiss said:

I'm an intra day stock trader and I see strong parallels between Goody's coaching and an underperfoming trader

 

Goody reminds me of a trader who's discovered what he thinks is the holy grail technical market indicator (contest based footy) He's convinced it's a sure thing and will lead him to riches in the market (top 2). He possibly had a month or two of gains (2018) but he's now losing - Consistantly and a lot! (2019) . He's sure if he tweaks it just a bit all will be good again but remains oblivious to fact the market has changed and hasn't realised this indicator is very limited and only works in certain market conditions that no longer exist (oppo has worked us out)

Like many here I was flabergasted when Goody said he'd chosen not to review the Eagles finals loss last year. If I have a big trading loss, no matter how painful (they hurt!!!!)  I review the living bejesus out of it. I don't want to make the same mistake twice. I want to know everything! Was it market conditions that didn't suit the trade plan? Was my state of mind making for poor execution or risk management? or did I miss an important cue in the charts that may have saved me that huge drawdown?  You can not brush anything under the carpet or make excuses if you want be a successful in this game and your biggest learnings always come from losses not wins.

 

Great growth in trading is often proceeded by a particularly dark period but to grow from there you have to be able to let go of thinking you know the answer as the solution is often not what you think. Hearing him yet again after our Swans loss, talk about getting back to the 'contested' Melbourne brand and 'working our backsides off' along with bewildering player selections suggest Goody's head is still firmly in the sand. I hope he pulls it out real soon before it's too late and this playing group is damaged beyond repair and become like the trader who's had too many big losses and along with their money, lost their nerve.

 

Right now we're right on the precipice but I'm so hoping I come back to this thread in 12 months and he's proved us all totally wrong

We have to lnow when to holdem...know when to  foldem ;)

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Schwartz, sticking the boot in harder than anyone we’ve seen do in the media this year. 

There’s nowhere to hide now for the coach. Something seismic needs to occur, and quickly. 

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17 minutes ago, Mel Bourne said:

Schwartz, sticking the boot in harder than anyone we’ve seen do in the media this year. 

There’s nowhere to hide now for the coach. Something seismic needs to occur, and quickly. 

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I’m all for putting the foot in, but if there is one thing we can probably say we know it’s that he hasn’t lost the group! The relationship he has with the players has been that well documented. Schwarz should be bringing up other things like only just now Goody admitted we were training the wrong things in the off season

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10 hours ago, beelzebub said:

We have to lnow when to holdem...know when to  foldem ;)

Goody has bluffed he is holding aces 

Pity its only deuces

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2 minutes ago, alexfish said:

I’m all for putting the foot in, but if there is one thing we can probably say we know it’s that he hasn’t lost the group! The relationship he has with the players has been that well documented. Schwarz should be bringing up other things like only just now Goody admitted we were training the wrong things in the off season

Why were we training the wrong things Axel?

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He made a prelim in 2018 and even after the belting in that game it would appear he thought all he needed to do was tweak it a little and a GF would happen. Did not review the loss. Totally missed 666 and the fact we had lost a 50 goal forward. He is very lucky he got a new deal before the season started. From this point he needs a miracle in 2020 and we know how often they happen.

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Lewis has come to Goody's defence, which is good to see. Lewis seems like a pretty straight shooter, non-PR BS type, so I think it's safe to say he hasn't lost the players. We have a ton of other issues, but this isn't one of them. A good base to work from provided we train hard, learn from others and play some smart footy next yr!

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/premiership-star-jordan-lewis-announces-afl-retirement-20190820-p52it7.html

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20 hours ago, TGR said:

Ox suspects Goody has almost lost the players.

Wow Rono, I expect better from you

Ox (the lamebrain) suspects (but doesn't know) Goody has almost (but actually hasn't) lost the players.

 

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Lewis is a pretty honest guy and if Goodwin was losing the players, he wouldn't comment publicly.

The fact that he has endorsed him, is enough on that subject for me.

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2 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Lewis is a pretty honest guy and if Goodwin was losing the players, he wouldn't comment publicly.

The fact that he has endorsed him, is enough on that subject for me.

And we have no choice anyway. He is the coach for 2020 end of story.

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unrelated but geez i hope we keep Jordy on next year, even as an assistant coach, he has a wealth of experience, is passionate about the place, knows exactly what a ruthless, successful football club looks like and drives standards. his on field form may have faded but whoever gets him in an off field role will have a great asset on their hands. 

as for Goody. i was really impressed by his admission and taking responsibility for this year. i'd been concerned the club was being very vague and maybe they didn't really know what had gone wrong but i think Goodwin has hit the nail on the head where he's thrown too much at the players, confused them with game style, destroyed team chemistry and that has derailed the train and he's not been able to get it back on the tracks. 

next pre season just need to get back to the basics, get the two way running going again, winning contested ball and clearances, tackling hard, applying 120 minutes of unconditional pressure, and keeping the players fit and getting full pre seasons into guys. 

How good would it be to see Steven may come back in ripping condition from his break and get a full pre season in. i can see him bouncing back and having an All Australian quality season in 2020

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2 hours ago, RedButMostlyBlue said:

Lewis has come to Goody's defence, which is good to see. Lewis seems like a pretty straight shooter, non-PR BS type, so I think it's safe to say he hasn't lost the players. We have a ton of other issues, but this isn't one of them. A good base to work from provided we train hard, learn from others and play some smart footy next yr!

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/premiership-star-jordan-lewis-announces-afl-retirement-20190820-p52it7.html

And it was a glowing rear guard from Lewey.  That Goody has our best interests and those of the players at heart and is still in favour with the playing group isn't the issue.

Now he just needs (with assistance) to conduct the 'extensive' review of game style & methods / personnel / training standards across all lines that should have taken place at the end of last season and act accordingly pronto to adjust/tweak/clean out where needed and inject.  No doubt this review (in whatever form) has already commenced at certain levels as a follow up to the mid season adjustments.

Expecting a 10 to 14 bounce back (ladder) next year regardless but if we have some good outcomes from the review and at the trade table, along with some luck with injuries, we just might be a sneaky chance at taking it up a cog further and playing finals.

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8 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Training the wrong things last Summer. 

 

WHY???

inexcusable....

I think the error isn't so much training the wrong things, it's trying to train them with most of the club on the injury list. it was always going to cause confusion, even if the plan itself was good. 

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Just now, Patches O’houlihan said:

I think the error isn't so much training the wrong things, it's trying to train them with most of the club on the injury list. it was always going to cause confusion, even if the plan itself was good. 

No. Goodwin said he got it wrong last Summer. 

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Just now, Sir Why You Little said:

No. Goodwin said he got it wrong last Summer. 

Sure but at the time he may have just felt he was layering the game plan, or tinkering, which is fine. i just think that's not the best idea when most of the players are injured and not training with the main group. doesn't give them a huge opportunity to get on board, even if the plan is flawless.

so i think the changes themselves were wrong, but also the timing of trying to make those changes was wrong, end result a wasted season he has to take responsbility for, and may cost him his job if significant improvements don't come about next season. i'd say if we don't break even or come close by mid season he will be under serious pressure to keep his job. 

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You gotta look at the context. Lewis said , Goody has been brilliant this year.  Now, clearly he has not been a brilliant coach this year. So I take it he was referring to something like staying upbeat. Lewis may be a straight shooter but he is not the sort to bag the guy on his way out. He may be even looking at a job as a Goody Assistant.  Tie will tell.

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More boots by Shwarta?

Meh, make an account and post on here, Oxen!

Goodwin knows he's skating on thin ice - what's important now is the response from him and the players

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9 hours ago, Mel Bourne said:

Schwartz, sticking the boot in harder than anyone we’ve seen do in the media this year. 

There’s nowhere to hide now for the coach. Something seismic needs to occur, and quickly. 

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Schwarz is a wanna be shock media person lost me over the Bugg hit great player at Melbourne but still a [censored].

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37 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

No. Goodwin said he got it wrong last Summer. 

 

35 minutes ago, Patches O’houlihan said:

Sure but at the time he may have just felt he was layering the game plan, or tinkering, which is fine. i just think that's not the best idea when most of the players are injured and not training with the main group. doesn't give them a huge opportunity to get on board, even if the plan is flawless.

so i think the changes themselves were wrong, but also the timing of trying to make those changes was wrong, end result a wasted season he has to take responsbility for, and may cost him his job if significant improvements don't come about next season. i'd say if we don't break even or come close by mid season he will be under serious pressure to keep his job. 

In a radio interview about mid season T-mac said it wasn't so much (players that were out or came back late) the training sessions that  were missed that hurt so much.  He said by about Rnd 4/6 out of those who missed or got back late in pre-season, most had caught up to the level required to come back in to play at AFL standard with appropriate match fitness levels / loads etc.

He suggested the main issue was not the time missed by so many as such but the time missed training the methods required to play the style being asked... "together as a unit"!

He went on to suggest that this factor alone probably effected the season (outcomes/results in matches) the most from his POV.

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I am still of the opinion that Goodwin is the right guy to lead the team at least until the end of his extended contract. Of course there needs to be constant monitoring of the situation to ensure that he and the coaching team are evolving and adjusting but he is an intelligent coach and, from what I have seen and heard, he is learning from his mis-steps.

With the pre-season disruptions and the injuries during this season I do not believe it is proper to judge his performance. 

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1 hour ago, Patches O’houlihan said:

Sure but at the time he may have just felt he was layering the game plan, or tinkering, which is fine. i just think that's not the best idea when most of the players are injured and not training with the main group. doesn't give them a huge opportunity to get on board, even if the plan is flawless.

so i think the changes themselves were wrong, but also the timing of trying to make those changes was wrong, end result a wasted season he has to take responsbility for, and may cost him his job if significant improvements don't come about next season. i'd say if we don't break even or come close by mid season he will be under serious pressure to keep his job. 

When you are thrashed in a Preliminary Final and have a Half Time score of Zero Goals, you do not just tinker with a game plan. It’s pure arrogance and naive stupidity.

Why?

This Season gives all the answers. If Goodwin hadn’t signed on over Summer, i don’t think he would be here right now. 

That is how bad this year has been imo. 

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Was sort of thinking  had he essentially  lost the group it would explain much. 

That many assert he hasnt just raises more questions  really.

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7 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Was sort of thinking  had he essentially  lost the group it would explain much. 

That many assert he hasnt just raises more questions  really.

An in experienced and popular teacher does not lose the students. They just take a lend and do not learn much.

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