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1 hour ago, Demonsone said:

 Not sure how Goody can keep his job after this debacle.... utter disgrace & amateurish. 

Well if that isn't negligence I don't know what is? Either arrogance, stupidity, or both!!

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1 hour ago, billyblanks35 said:

Sack him after one bad year? How moronic. What guarantee is there a new coach will be any better? There isn't. 

He has valuable insights into two things a new coach won't:

1. What it takes to have a successful year at a football club (2018)

2. What it takes to have a terrible year (2019)

That is some rare education that doesn't come easily. He will use this to plan for a much better 2020.

Goodwin says all the right things. He comes across well, and may have valuable insights. But he has a list that is not responding to him, and a game plan that appears non existent. We are consistently sh^thouse. Its hard to see that improving under Goodwin. He has to go. And he isnt the only one.

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11 minutes ago, Demonsone said:

His most recent interview painted a glowing picture of the list saying they are 3/4 thru their development & the improvement has been amazing .. honestly what club is he watching???

McCartney's judgement on which players were likely to make the grade and where the list was at is/was always an interesting point of discussion.

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10 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

I thought him trading Jack Watts with 2 years left on his contract was a significant statement that showed he wasn't afraid to make the hard calls.

Macca pushed him out the door not Simon. Not unless Goody lied to Jacks face ;)

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4 hours ago, Return to Glory said:

My defence of Goodwin is that things can turn around very quickly. Hardwick and Richmond are perhaps an example of this. And next year will be a real indication of his capacity to adapt. The talk of it getting back to a brand must surely be over and, if he does it well, he can instill excitement into the team with a game plan that's not picked off. Not off him yet.

I disagree. We don't have the players, development or recruiting capable to compare to Richmond

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5 minutes ago, Panamapapers said:

I disagree. We don't have the players, development or recruiting capable to compare to Richmond

I wonder how many similar posts you'd find to this one in 2016 on a Richmond forum. 

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Just now, AllMyTeamsAreWank said:

I wonder how many similar posts you'd find to this one in 2016 on a Richmond forum. 

Yes true but reality is we have a terrible list. There would be 15 players or so that would fail to be on any clubs list. Reality is we are not Richmond 2016

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6 hours ago, KingDingAling said:

I have lost complete faith in our board. The decision to move Goodwin on should be a simple one, and should have already happened. The hard calls have to be made. We are so far off with Goodwin. He may be a charming fellow, and have good rapport with many players, but he fails to implement a game plan - we have no structure and look disorganised on gameday. Its no shame to not be cut out to coach. Goodwin isnt and he isnt the first and wont be the last. The fact that our board is sticking with him when its obvious he isnt the guy to take us where we need to go - makes me question those decision makers at the top. I would love to see an entire clean out of board, coaches and fitness staff.

Yeah, that’d work 

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Roos on GWS but applies to Goodwin 

While Roos said talent made it easier to play a forward half game, it was ultimately up to the coach to drill his team, regardless of the personnel.

“There is a point where — if you can’t do it — you’ve got to let someone else do it,” he said.

 

 

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Fagan's and Brisbane's performance is a major indictment on Goodwin and the club. Brisbane finished last in 2017, Fagan's (and Goodwin's) first season. His team now looks destined for the minor premiership something Melbourne hasn't achieved in 50+ years.

Is Brisbane's list overall better than Melbourne's? Or is Fagan Clarkson 2.0? IMO, that Fagan managed to get a wooden spooner to contention in 2 years, whilst Goodwin was handed a finals caliber team on a silver platter only to mismanage it to wooden spoon territory, only ups the pressure gauge on Simon even more.

Brisbane has had a superb run with injuries but they're also 1st on the ladder. Goodwin and co's player management may cost them their careers.

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Roos on GWS but applies to Goodwin 

While Roos said talent made it easier to play a forward half game, it was ultimately up to the coach to drill his team, regardless of the personnel.

“There is a point where — if you can’t do it — you’ve got to let someone else do it,” he said.

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Until last week Goodwin had done a pretty good job in keeping the team motivated given our finals chances were over. We just didn't have the skill to finish off our chances in front of goal.

My biggest criticisms of his performance this year are his defensive press being too aggressive early in the year (particularly for the MCG) and his selection of players like Lewis and Jones on the wings. These decisions were wrong from round 1 and he didn't adjust quickly enough.

Against Sydney, the team selection was crazy and brought a lot of heat on him IMO. A team of midgets and no key forward was a recipe for disaster. And I cannot fathom the dropping of Hunt from that team unless it was for disciplinary reasons.

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53 minutes ago, praha said:

Fagan's and Brisbane's performance is a major indictment on Goodwin and the club. Brisbane finished last in 2017, Fagan's (and Goodwin's) first season. His team now looks destined for the minor premiership something Melbourne hasn't achieved in 50+ years.

Is Brisbane's list overall better than Melbourne's? Or is Fagan Clarkson 2.0? IMO, that Fagan managed to get a wooden spooner to contention in 2 years, whilst Goodwin was handed a finals caliber team on a silver platter only to mismanage it to wooden spoon territory, only ups the pressure gauge on Simon even more.

Brisbane has had a superb run with injuries but they're also 1st on the ladder. Goodwin and co's player management may cost them their careers.

That indictment should also be aimed at the recruiting side Praha.  I know Goody has a big say as to who comes and goes, but whoever is advising/assisting with selections has missed the boat over the last seven seasons or so, even during the Roos era.  This is far from a "it's all on Goodwin" perfect storm.

We were pedestrian slow during the Neeld era under the two junior captains.  Trengove being one himself, even prior to his cronic injury issue.  Often a major topic of conversations on D'land for seasons including the Roos era.

Did we go out and recruit to fix that in any way?

Might have been the odd exception but from my view we continued to 'prefer' targetting more plodding inside contested beasts vs class/outside run and finish.

We are now so far behind the rest of the comp with AFL (average) standards in ball movement (barring GC & Sydney), it will take seasons of trade table work to rectify IMV to a level that will see us anywhere near the top six.

There is no doubt a 2020 bounce is on the cards.  It couldn't be as bad as this season if we tried.  8 to 12 wins isn't out of the question IF we fix our forward line woes somehow during the off season.  But we are miles away from being a serious / consistent finals contender given the state of the present list re:  lack of outside run/carry/class and finish.

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1 hour ago, Rusty Nails said:

That indictment should also be aimed at the recruiting side Praha.  I know Goody has a big say as to who comes and goes, but whoever is advising/assisting with selections has missed the boat over the last seven seasons or so, even during the Roos era.  This is far from a "it's all on Goodwin" perfect storm.

We were pedestrian slow during the Neeld era under the two junior captains.  Trengove being one himself, even prior to his cronic injury issue.  Often a major topic of conversations on D'land for seasons including the Roos era.

Did we go out and recruit to fix that in any way?

Might have been the odd exception but from my view we continued to 'prefer' targetting more plodding inside contested beasts vs class/outside run and finish.

We are now so far behind the rest of the comp with AFL (average) standards in ball movement (barring GC & Sydney), it will take seasons of trade table work to rectify IMV to a level that will see us anywhere near the top six.

There is no doubt a 2020 bounce is on the cards.  It couldn't be as bad as this season if we tried.  8 to 12 wins isn't out of the question IF we fix our forward line woes somehow during the off season.  But we are miles away from being a serious / consistent finals contender given the state of the present list re:  lack of outside run/carry/class and finish.

I am struggling to find one word to disagree with in that RN.

However I have one. Please don't use the word "Neeld" 

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1 hour ago, old dee said:

I am struggling to find one word to disagree with in that RN.

However I have one. Please don't use the word "Neeld" 

Damn it.  As the youngens would say .... "My bad!"  Never again Mr O.

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8 hours ago, Fat Tony said:

Until last week Goodwin had done a pretty good job in keeping the team motivated given our finals chances were over. We just didn't have the skill to finish off our chances in front of goal.

My biggest criticisms of his performance this year are his defensive press being too aggressive early in the year (particularly for the MCG) and his selection of players like Lewis and Jones on the wings. These decisions were wrong from round 1 and he didn't adjust quickly enough.

Against Sydney, the team selection was crazy and brought a lot of heat on him IMO. A team of midgets and no key forward was a recipe for disaster. And I cannot fathom the dropping of Hunt from that team unless it was for disciplinary reasons.

Can u name  the key forwards on the list not getting a game that are fit, the only key forward not out with a injury is Declan keilty

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11 minutes ago, don't make me angry said:

Can u name  the key forwards on the list not getting a game that are fit, the only key forward not out with a injury is Declan keilty

Preuss had to play given our injuries. Or Keilty. Or Frost forward. 

Goodwin picked a team of midgets and gave us no chance. It was an obvious error at selection. 

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1 hour ago, Fat Tony said:

Preuss had to play given our injuries. Or Keilty. Or Frost forward. 

Goodwin picked a team of midgets and gave us no chance. It was an obvious error at selection. 

Hard to disagree FT but what would we know!

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49 minutes ago, TGR said:

Ox suspects Goody has almost lost the players.

And he has another three years to go. 

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“I think Simon Goodwin is close to losing the team.

“You can’t have performances like that where the players just don’t dig in. They haven’t dug in.

“If this side is playing like this at Round 10 of next year, Simon Goodwin is in trouble.”

Ox on Goody

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On 8/18/2019 at 4:51 PM, AllMyTeamsAreWank said:

I wonder how many similar posts you'd find to this one in 2016 on a Richmond forum. 

I did go through posts on BigFooty from 2016 after the season. It was mostly "sack Hardwick". But that was after 6 seasons, three failed finals appearances, and a terrible season. And their 2016 wasn't ANYWHERE near as colossal a breakdown as we've seen in 2019. 

And I think that, had Richmond started 2017 3-7 rather than 7-3 or 7-4 he would have been shown the door and rightly so. But he got them up, recruited well, made tough trades, and made tough calls. I doubt many Richmond supporters were calling for him to go at round 10 2017. And if we start next season 7-3 I doubt many here would call for Goodwin to go.

But it was completely reasonable to question Hardwick at the end of 2016. And it is even more reasonable to question Goodwin after 2019 given it's been such a far greater and significant fall. So significant that, realistically, we are looking at both a player and coaching exodus, a rebuild, and perhaps another 2-3 seasons down the bottom. This is what supporters absolutely need to be prepared for because it is a reasonable situation. And if it occurs then Goodwin and Mahoney and co should most definitely be held to account because they're now approaching their 4 off season together. 

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1 hour ago, Fat Tony said:

Preuss had to play given our injuries. Or Keilty. Or Frost forward. 

Goodwin picked a team of midgets and gave us no chance. It was an obvious error at selection. 

All three have been played forward this year and have given nothing, only keilty kicked 1 goal playing as a forward, neither would have given anything as a forward.

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Thankyou @praha perfectly  reasoned precis.

Goodwin situation  does not equate the Hardwick one...despite much attenuation. 

The goalposts are the goalposts despite some trying to change them.

This is not the  job for Simon.

Those sugesting surrounding  him with good assistant s etc..then why bother with the dead core ??

This isn't  a help Simon fund it cause. Its the MFC.

 

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