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1 hour ago, Unleash Hell said:

For this discussion we've had a lot of speculation and opinions without much substance (on both sides of the argument.

I would love to have a poll on this, but

@beelzebub I reference you to this article published on the MFC website

https://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2019-08-09/mccartney-sees-bright-future-for-dees

I am well aware of how the media works so don't waste my time arguing the validity of the article.

But here are a few selected quotes....

While McCartney has been impressed with the entire club over his five-year tenure, he said it was the Board that stood out in allowing the football department to grow.

“They support and advise and still allow people to do their jobs, which is just fantastic,” he said.

“The stability they have provided this club has been really important – you need that

“This playing group is probably at a third of its development … but a lot of the initial hard work has been done,” he said.

“Simon is still a young coach and it’s still a young coaching group, so that stability is important,” he said.

“He’s a brilliant young senior coach and he will prove that in time. The coaching group he has around him is set to go forward and be very successful.”

 

 

Basically put this article contradicts everything the ney sayers are arguing about Goodiwn

So my question to you is about McCartney's integrity, Is he

a) a liar

b) not qualified

c) biased

d) the story was made up

e) have some valid points? 

 

f) Being Diplomatic so that he can chase another job at a further 16 Clubs 

We are a shambles in 17th Position

I wonder if anyone within the club will admit that

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23 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

f) Being Diplomatic so that he can chase another job at a further 16 Clubs 

We are a shambles in 17th Position

I wonder if anyone within the club will admit that

I guess in a nutshell that is what I am trying to say.

There is a big difference between being a shambles as a club and just having a bad season.

I hope and think it's the latter

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9 minutes ago, Unleash Hell said:

I guess in a nutshell that is what I am trying to say.

There is a big difference between being a shambles as a club and just having a bad season.

I hope and think it's the latter

I wait to find out UH

The depth we have fallen this year, as soon as the previous CEO left has me worried. 

More have to go...

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Goodwin just look at Clarko even after beating GWS still calls his team mid table side. A coach & club building again for success & if history is anything the hawks will win a flag before we do! 

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Let’s assume Melbourne is a team loaded with potential and ready to ‘come into it’s own.’

 Goodwin has to turn the team’s performance around otherwise he will be sacked and someone else will reap the benefit of all this enviable potential.

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4 minutes ago, deefender said:

Let’s assume Melbourne is a team loaded with potential and ready to ‘come into it’s own.’

 Goodwin has to turn the team’s performance around otherwise he will be sacked and someone else will reap the benefit of all this enviable potential.

And that will be the end of any Coaching career. 

The ball is entirely in his court

 But he has to show results, not just promise them

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1 hour ago, drysdale demon said:

The point is, he has  a vast amount of experience in coaching to have that opinion.

And he has nests to feather and a paycheck to chase. Not a big world AFL. I don't blame him a bit for boxing craftly.

I've heard him...he can wax quite lyrically should he want.

....and then I just watch the footy. In the end one speaks volumes louder than the other.

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1 hour ago, jumbo returns said:

2020 will be a big year indeed

If we're 2w 9l going into the QB game, or bye, you-know-who will be gone

It depends. If we are 5-4 or 4-5 with some heavy losses or losses against poor teams I think the pressure will be on. The best gauge at halfway mark will be a combination of wins and %. A low % of less than 95% and he will be gone imo. Regardless of how many wins we have (likely if we are < 95% we will be at 5 wins or less).

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6 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

And he has nests to feather and a paycheck to chase. Not a big world AFL. I don't blame him a bit for boxing craftly.

I've heard him...he can wax quite lyrically should he want.

....and then I just watch the footy. In the end one speaks volumes louder than the other.

Seriously 'bb', if it was just about chasing the next pay check he didn't have to say what he said.

In fact he didn't have to say anything at all.

Just diplomatically move on.

What he said will have no effect on his next job prospects in any way shape or form.

I will take him at his word, it's how he sees things.

Of course there is no guarantee he is right.

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3 hours ago, Unleash Hell said:

Nothing wrong with having an opinion @spalding 

I don't care that people don't rate Goodwin. What I personally don't like is some of the blantat stupid things that are said.

No matter what we say on here it doesn't really matter. At this point in time I believe we are still on the right track even if we are terrible at the moment. I think it can change and change quickly under Goodwin.

2020 will be a big year

Fool I also have  been conned

Wake up mate this is

reality Of as n aside  you it is worse at the game almost unwatchable

 

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2 minutes ago, Kent said:

Fool I also have  been conned

Wake up mate this is

reality Of as n aside  you it is worse at the game almost unwatchable

 

Heck, is that predictive text gone wrong or what!

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1 hour ago, rjay said:

Seriously 'bb', if it was just about chasing the next pay check he didn't have to say what he said.

In fact he didn't have to say anything at all.

Just diplomatically move on.

What he said will have no effect on his next job prospects in any way shape or form.

I will take him at his word, it's how he sees things.

Of course there is no guarantee he is right.

Of course he had to say something, he was interviewed. 

His answers were extremely diplomatic and good on him. But his coaching record doesn’t look great and i am glad he is leaving. I hope more follow in about 2 weeks..

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On 8/9/2019 at 9:56 AM, beelzebub said:

Is Goodwin the right guy ?

See this weeks team selection for answer 

Plainly he has no [censored] idea about football

 

6 hours ago, beelzebub said:

We're 17th Chookrat...17th

A lot of our injuries/preseason debacle can be directly  atributed to the style of late last season. This effectively overloaded and burnt out the team.

Even with a closer to full list we cant playout a decent game. And its not just fitness.

But by all means believe what you like.

I dont know ONE impartial or non melbourne  supporter that thi ks we play anything approaching a sound competitive  style of footy

Goodwin and Co have dismantled  what was beginning to grow as a decent team.

A common theme among many posters ...surround Goodwin with help...

My solution...still get all those ableminded types...let Goodwin go. We dont need him.

 

8 hours ago, beelzebub said:

People want to understand  the strategic rationale ?. ....when obviously  we lack a great deal in this department.  You only have to look at our abysmal gamestyle, our vfl skillset, our 3/4 is good enough attitude.Look at the ineptness  of gameday management,  look at the ridiculous  selections.

ALL of this is by design. All have one glaring common factor...a coach who is out of his depth with nfi. 

No he doesn't  work in a vacuum, but he's  the head honcho. Its his job to sort it out and its frankly beyond him.

If this were any other business he'd  been shown the door ages ago. If this were another club he'd  be gone. 

Strategy  ? Is there some inference  there's  some larger genius plan in action ? Ffs..we're  17th on an 18 team ladder...we are NOT in the presence  of a footy Einstein  here. Wake up.

So 'bb', you've put your balls on the line and said he has NFI, can't coach.

I've been very critical of him but I think this year will be the making of hm.

Let me put my balls on the line...I think he will make it as a coach and one of us will be eating our words next year.

I reckon it will be you.

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3 minutes ago, rjay said:

 

 

 

I reckon it will be you.

we'll see lol

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21 minutes ago, Kent said:

Fool I also have  been conned

Wake up mate this is

reality Of as n aside  you it is worse at the game almost unwatchable

 

Dont watch it then

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Poor coach.. talks crap constantly, would be on the scrap heap if not for that stupid contract.

Like Neeld before him I won’t buy a membership next year while he is in charge. Killing the club 

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Sidebottom has his own ball while Goodwin has Jones opposing him on the wing, 30 metres away to drop back and play some other rubbish role. Just tell him to man up FFS.

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Another game of inept coaching. Showing no respect at all for Sidebottom. 

Goody is getting into Bolton territory

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I actually think Goodwin is worse than neeld. Under neeld we didn’t have the players. Under Goodwin we have the players but cannot beat a team higher than us. I honestly believe that the club May fold under his reign. He is destroying the place

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23 minutes ago, Forest Demon said:

Sidebottom has his own ball while Goodwin has Jones opposing him on the wing, 30 metres away to drop back and play some other rubbish role. Just tell him to man up FFS.

Jones plays unaccountable football.wants easy touches to up his stats to get another contract, 

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He’s just not an intelligent person.

It’s as simple as that  

 

 

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The problem is going to be that this idiot we have leading the club won’t even review this season as it is ‘not the Melbourne way’ ala the prelim. 

Next season will be a carbon copy of this one and the ones before it. 

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7 minutes ago, olisik said:

Jones plays unaccountable football.wants easy touches to up his stats to get another contract, 

What a load of bollocks

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