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On 7/30/2019 at 6:56 PM, jumbo returns said:

Caro on 3AW said that the heat isn't on Melbourne because 'nobody cares' 

This is a sad endictment indeed

WTF?? Who listens to that stupid mutton anyway, she’s a Richmond POS and nobody cares about her, what a way to treat the 52000 meembers of Melbourne footy club, Caroline Wilson is a sad old geriatric fart, wish she’d just [censored] off!!

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And Goodwin is NOT the right guy, we’ve been playing same way all year, turnovers, bombing into forward line, he’s a pathetic coach and we must get rid of him! Pay Roos $2 million a year to come back to club and finish the job!!! 

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1 minute ago, Clint Bizkit said:

If the coach is the problem then yes.

If our poor performances were confided to a handful of players you could blame those players, but the fact that the essentially the whole team is playing so badly and making the same mistakes over and over again means it the blame lays at the feet of the coach.

In simplistic terms I agree.

But it's not simple. That's the problem with your argument. There are multiple factors why we are terrible

I disagree sacking the coach will fix them.

Goodwin has 6 months to sort it out otherwise he's smoke.

Nothing is going to change in the last 4 rounds, we don't have the personnel or talent to fix our issues short term

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6 minutes ago, davo said:

WTF?? Who listens to that stupid mutton anyway, she’s a Richmond POS and nobody cares about her, what a way to treat the 52000 meembers of Melbourne footy club, Caroline Wilson is a sad old geriatric fart, wish she’d just [censored] off!!

 

2 minutes ago, davo said:

And Goodwin is NOT the right guy, we’ve been playing same way all year, turnovers, bombing into forward line, he’s a pathetic coach and we must get rid of him! Pay Roos $2 million a year to come back to club and finish the job!!! 

Settle down, davo 

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On 7/30/2019 at 6:56 PM, jumbo returns said:

Caro on 3AW said that the heat isn't on Melbourne because 'nobody cares' 

This is a sad endictment indeed

Indictment. On her.

As a biased commentator who hates Melbourne and loves Richmond.

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28 minutes ago, Skin Deeamond said:

Indictment. On her.

As a biased commentator who hates Melbourne and loves Richmond.

Oh well....what's the saying? Winners are grinners....

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Why does it feel like Goodwin gets the players on Monday morning and says “get better”. When asked how they get better he just responds with “I don’t know, just be better”

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Chanel seven just cut his presser short to cut to Lingy and Richo eating pizza even they are sick of his boring, uninspiring dribble.

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56 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Ask the question?  Yes it’s the coach who is accountable.  Bring back Roosy

Roos isn't coming back.

Even if he did i wouldn't want to watch his boring rubbish game style 

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2 hours ago, Clint Bizkit said:

If the coach is the problem then yes.

If our poor performances were confided to a handful of players you could blame those players, but the fact that the essentially the whole team is playing so badly and making the same mistakes over and over again means it the blame lays at the feet of the coach.

 

Simple answers for simple people

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Too late! This is a different Melbourne now with different expectations. I don’t expect Goodwin to last as a result. Glenn Bartlett won’t allow sponsors and members to bleed!

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On 7/27/2019 at 9:51 PM, Lord Travis said:

He’s done, but we can’t pay him out so he’ll last through 2020.

2017 was a failed year.

2018 was a successful year.

2019 has been a epic failure year.

He’s at 2/3 failure rate so far after being handed a finals ready and supremely talented young list.

Analytically alarming, isn't it? Where is the development? 

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On 7/27/2019 at 10:21 PM, Lord Travis said:

He’s done, but we can’t pay him out so he’ll last through 2020.

2017 was a failed year.

2018 was a successful year.

2019 has been a epic failure year.

He’s at 2/3 failure rate so far after being handed a finals ready and supremely talented young list.

He won't last through 2020 if we're battling for finals. even the likes of Hinkley and Pyke haven't seen such a major dropoff as we have. So they've had some room to grow. Crows had a disastrous year last year and were still on the cusp of finals. This year is a transitional year as they slowly move out the older brigade. Given they have lost so much talent over the years I think Pyke should be commended. Hinkley could be on the edge but it's hard to gauge where Port is at. They have drafted some talent over the years and so his recruiting prowess is undisputed. 

Goodwin however is shaping to be an exceptionally poor leader. Has brought in injury prone defensive players, one who was out of shape and another with knee problems with which we gave up first round picks for. In the long run it may benefit us but atm it's shaping up as Dawes and Clarke 2.0. 

He has done okay to pick up solid role players of the Hore, Fritsch variety and they have heaps of room to grow but we've allowed the likes of Hogan and Kent to walk. IMO we've lost far more than we've gained (so far).

He's had a healthy midfield ALL season and we've seen NO adjustment to the functionality or structure. Our transitional defense that was solid in Roos' last season has gotten progressively worse under Goodwin. We don't get scored against as heavily but as soon as we the the ball over, we gift teams transition through the corridor. We may as well give them the keys to the car while we let teams steal goals after we work so hard to get the ball.

I am somewhat confident we'll see improvement in early 2020, pressure can do that, but I just don't think this bloke has it. To offer him the extension we did, after round 23 2017, and the prelim, was a mistake especially befitting of the MFC.

I know for a fact an external review will be undertaken. The club may keep it under wraps but there are people within the club that are already pushing for him to be gone. Unity and stability is so important but the impact this year has had on this club is far greater than people realise. Even last night, if we were battling for top 4 (as we should be), you'd be looking at a crowd of 60k-70k. Instead we couldn't even crack 40k and there were maybe 2k Melbourne supporters there for a home game. That game along has cost us probably 150k in lost potential takings.

Years like this aren't just coach killing. They're club killing. Especially when you consider where we've come from. Sometimes stability is important but you also need to fail quickly. By round 8 if there is any doubt he should be gone. And if the club were smart (that alone is a stretch) then it would be doing its due diligence now and gauging interest for potential replacements. If we miss finals next year you're looking at a full rebuild.

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29 minutes ago, praha said:

He won't last through 2020 if we're battling for finals. even the likes of Hinkley and Pyke haven't seen such a major dropoff as we have. So they've had some room to grow. Crows had a disastrous year last year and were still on the cusp of finals. This year is a transitional year as they slowly move out the older brigade. Given they have lost so much talent over the years I think Pyke should be commended. Hinkley could be on the edge but it's hard to gauge where Port is at. They have drafted some talent over the years and so his recruiting prowess is undisputed. 

Goodwin however is shaping to be an exceptionally poor leader. Has brought in injury prone defensive players, one who was out of shape and another with knee problems with which we gave up first round picks for. In the long run it may benefit us but atm it's shaping up as Dawes and Clarke 2.0. 

He has done okay to pick up solid role players of the Hore, Fritsch variety and they have heaps of room to grow but we've allowed the likes of Hogan and Kent to walk. IMO we've lost far more than we've gained (so far).

He's had a healthy midfield ALL season and we've seen NO adjustment to the functionality or structure. Our transitional defense that was solid in Roos' last season has gotten progressively worse under Goodwin. We don't get scored against as heavily but as soon as we the the ball over, we gift teams transition through the corridor. We may as well give them the keys to the car while we let teams steal goals after we work so hard to get the ball.

I am somewhat confident we'll see improvement in early 2020, pressure can do that, but I just don't think this bloke has it. To offer him the extension we did, after round 23 2017, and the prelim, was a mistake especially befitting of the MFC.

I know for a fact an external review will be undertaken. The club may keep it under wraps but there are people within the club that are already pushing for him to be gone. Unity and stability is so important but the impact this year has had on this club is far greater than people realise. Even last night, if we were battling for top 4 (as we should be), you'd be looking at a crowd of 60k-70k. Instead we couldn't even crack 40k and there were maybe 2k Melbourne supporters there for a home game. That game along has cost us probably 150k in lost potential takings.

Years like this aren't just coach killing. They're club killing. Especially when you consider where we've come from. Sometimes stability is important but you also need to fail quickly. By round 8 if there is any doubt he should be gone. And if the club were smart (that alone is a stretch) then it would be doing its due diligence now and gauging interest for potential replacements. If we miss finals next year you're looking at a full rebuild.

An external review WILL take place..

i certainly hope so. This is far bigger than a little tinkering

 

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13 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Ask the question?  Yes it’s the coach who is accountable.  Bring back Roosy

Love Roos but has checked out of coaching & his time is done. Why would you give up gigs on fox footy etc & going to Hawai vs the stresses of coaching?? Tigers & pies were wanting their coaches sacked  & 1 has won a flag & the other come within a kick of one. We need more talent & need to go after another gun midfielder & forward! Chase Patton or Jenkins. 

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I just had a unnerving thought....Brad Scott isn't lurking in the background, is he???

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31 minutes ago, jumbo returns said:

I just had a shuddering thought....Brad Scott isn't lurking in the background, is he???

Hell NO. 

I will coach the team before that numb nut. 

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1 hour ago, praha said:

He won't last through 2020 if we're battling for finals. even the likes of Hinkley and Pyke haven't seen such a major dropoff as we have. So they've had some room to grow. Crows had a disastrous year last year and were still on the cusp of finals. This year is a transitional year as they slowly move out the older brigade. Given they have lost so much talent over the years I think Pyke should be commended. Hinkley could be on the edge but it's hard to gauge where Port is at. They have drafted some talent over the years and so his recruiting prowess is undisputed. 

Goodwin however is shaping to be an exceptionally poor leader. Has brought in injury prone defensive players, one who was out of shape and another with knee problems with which we gave up first round picks for. In the long run it may benefit us but atm it's shaping up as Dawes and Clarke 2.0. 

He has done okay to pick up solid role players of the Hore, Fritsch variety and they have heaps of room to grow but we've allowed the likes of Hogan and Kent to walk. IMO we've lost far more than we've gained (so far).

He's had a healthy midfield ALL season and we've seen NO adjustment to the functionality or structure. Our transitional defense that was solid in Roos' last season has gotten progressively worse under Goodwin. We don't get scored against as heavily but as soon as we the the ball over, we gift teams transition through the corridor. We may as well give them the keys to the car while we let teams steal goals after we work so hard to get the ball.

I am somewhat confident we'll see improvement in early 2020, pressure can do that, but I just don't think this bloke has it. To offer him the extension we did, after round 23 2017, and the prelim, was a mistake especially befitting of the MFC.

I know for a fact an external review will be undertaken. The club may keep it under wraps but there are people within the club that are already pushing for him to be gone. Unity and stability is so important but the impact this year has had on this club is far greater than people realise. Even last night, if we were battling for top 4 (as we should be), you'd be looking at a crowd of 60k-70k. Instead we couldn't even crack 40k and there were maybe 2k Melbourne supporters there for a home game. That game along has cost us probably 150k in lost potential takings.

Years like this aren't just coach killing. They're club killing. Especially when you consider where we've come from. Sometimes stability is important but you also need to fail quickly. By round 8 if there is any doubt he should be gone. And if the club were smart (that alone is a stretch) then it would be doing its due diligence now and gauging interest for potential replacements. If we miss finals next year you're looking at a full rebuild.

Totally agree with those comment. With out doubt currently assessed the two biggest disasters have been the recruitment of Lever and May. Unless something changes these two are shaping up as wipe out. Lever is injury prone selecting him was alway high risk. How can you have any confidence in the guy. Plus from the limited time he played does not go at it hard enough. Lloyd called it out and he was spot on. May I know for a fact was freely offloaded by the Suns. They simply didn’t rate his work ethic or leadership yet we snap him up. So far the guy has been an injury prone liability. I am sure no one will put there hand up if this turn up as a bust. Dawes and Clark is an apt comparison.

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11 hours ago, Thehardtackler said:

Too late! This is a different Melbourne now with different expectations. I don’t expect Goodwin to last as a result. Glenn Bartlett won’t allow sponsors and members to bleed!

You may as well have a pump up doll as coach . No passion , no emotion and no game plan ! He has no plan obviously because he keeps on shuffling players positions from week to week , from defence to offence . He still doesn’t know his players strengths   FFS . He has lost the players of that I have no doubt . He lacks communication. He has a game plan from last year of course but that is pretty simplistic and is not sustainable evidence high injury rate . Quite a  kamikazi ( spelling) style . 

Now we are stuck with him because our idiots gave him an extension . And now dear fellow Dee   tragics  ,  we will suffer for several years to come with an inept team of highly talented but rudderless players unless Goodwin does the right thing and FO 

 

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5 minutes ago, demonique said:

You may as well have a pump up doll as coach . No passion , no emotion and no game plan ! He has no plan obviously because he keeps on shuffling players positions from week to week , from defence to offence . He still doesn’t know his players strengths   FFS . He has lost the players of that I have no doubt . He lacks communication. He has a game plan from last year of course but that is pretty simplistic and is not sustainable evidence high injury rate . Quite a  kamikazi ( spelling) style . 

Now we are stuck with him because our idiots gave him an extension . And now dear fellow Dee   tragics  ,  we will suffer for several years to come with an inept team of highly talented but rudderless players unless Goodwin does the right thing and FO 

 

I’m rather fond of my pump up doll.

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On 7/31/2019 at 9:40 AM, Dee Watcher said:

Its clear that Goodwin has built great relationships with the players...perhaps he is better suited tot he player development or senior assistant coaching role where its all hugs/kisses and coffees with the playing group.

Clearly when it comes to match day game planning/mid match alterations our current coaches box doesn't stack up when compared to others and that always must rest with the coach.

Goody is lucky others have fallen first and that the Dee's don't have the cash to rip up on sacking him or he'd already be out of the door! 

 

I would like to know how clear is this so called relationship with the players?

I was on the plane with the team to Alice Springs and in the Virgin lounge before flying and I observed quite closely and I didn’t like what I saw. Bad body language . Goodwin didn’t speak to hardly anybody in the lounge and on the plane journey . It’s a fragmented situation . Mirrored yesterday as the players walked off . Im convinced Goodwin has lost a large proportion of the playing group .

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18 minutes ago, chook fowler said:

I’m rather fond of my pump up doll.

I tried to give mine a love bite once but she farted and flew out the window.

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49 minutes ago, demonique said:

I would like to know how clear is this so called relationship with the players?

I was on the plane with the team to Alice Springs and in the Virgin lounge before flying and I observed quite closely and I didn’t like what I saw. Bad body language . Goodwin didn’t speak to hardly anybody in the lounge and on the plane journey . It’s a fragmented situation . Mirrored yesterday as the players walked off . Im convinced Goodwin has lost a large proportion of the playing group .

First language  of footy is lies.

First truth ....of this club. Believe  absolutely  nothing said. Just watch, observe,  deduce.

Currently. .we're  not traveling  that well.

I wonder why (actually  i don't  ) ;)

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