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44 minutes ago, SFebes said:

The chemistry in the box looks shot, nobody talks to each other, everyone stunned, they all look angry. 

Of course they are angry. Wouldn’t you be angry watching his bunch of hopeless footballers making fools of themselves week in week out? 

Our problems go far beyond anything Goodwin has any tangible control over right now. Yes, I’m not impressed with goody on a few fronts, but I will not condemn him until he has another run at it next year with more of a healthy list. People forget that the AFL pulled the rug from underneath our game plan with 666, and our list was built around that game plan. I’ll join the masses is calling for his sacking next year if we don’t play finals. 

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31 minutes ago, Smokey said:

Of course they are angry. Wouldn’t you be angry watching his bunch of hopeless footballers making fools of themselves week in week out? 

Our problems go far beyond anything Goodwin has any tangible control over right now. Yes, I’m not impressed with goody on a few fronts, but I will not condemn him until he has another run at it next year with more of a healthy list. People forget that the AFL pulled the rug from underneath our game plan with 666, and our list was built around that game plan. I’ll join the masses is calling for his sacking next year if we don’t play finals. 

How much warning did the AFL provide about the rule changes and , sidebar related item, how adept at adaptation are teams, plans and players in 2019. A director sportif can adapt in the moment to anything across 3 weeks of dynamic bike racing . 

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These are my observations of our game plan under Goodwin. I'm not an expert so am not going to suggest a new game plan, but there are obvious aspects that require fixing now.

Offense:

Our transition from full back to the wing is ok, forward of centre we stagnate and lose our way. We don't have any first class forwards that are working together as a group to create pockets of space to work into. Their leading patterns are a mess.

The midfielders don't have the foot skills to find targets inside 50 regularly, and in conjunction with the aforementioned leading patterns, the result is what we as supporters see - bombing to a pack. We don't have any small forwards with agility and goal sense to take control of the ball at ground level. Petracca looks the most likely in this regard but half of the time he's playing the high half forward role because we are increasingly in need of his skill set up the ground. ANB and Corey Wagner are being used in the small forward role and they are incapable at AFL level. 

Our midfield (when not resting forward) hitting the scoreboard has dried up. 

Defence:

Our defensive 6 do a great job, considering the way the ball is coming in. They are intercepting well and finding their way out of the 50 quite effectively, most of the time.

The midfield 6 are way off the pace on transition and often our defensive 6 are exposed due to the opposition having no pressure on the final pass inside 50. The midfield are applying immediate pressure at the stoppage but their positioning is awful, they all get sucked to the ball and leave a web of opposition surrounding the contest. All the opposition require is one handball the exit the immediate stoppage area and they're away with the 6-6-6. 

The team defensive positioning as a whole is all over the shop and leaves us all scratching our heads when we see a player in 20 metres of space receive the ball at half forward. There seems to be no accountability or leadership through the midfield to ensure this doesn't happen. Viney as captain needs to be reviewed. 

The forward 6 have no cohesion defensively and just chase the ball. It's chaos but easy to combat with a solid structure and sound positioning around the ball. 

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2 hours ago, Demonsone said:

When’s the blowtorch going to be applied to this coach??? Changing roles of assistant coaches mid season sums up the disaster of a club we are as usual! How can 3 other clubs who have sacked their coaches win more games??

Boys on 360 were saying if we don’t start well next season the blowtorch will be applied to Goodwin straight away  

Imo if we are travelling like we did at the start of this season next season then he will be gone. You can’t afford not to. Just hope in the meantime he doesn’t stuff up the list. 

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1 hour ago, Superunknown said:

How much warning did the AFL provide about the rule changes and , sidebar related item, how adept at adaptation are teams, plans and players in 2019. A director sportif can adapt in the moment to anything across 3 weeks of dynamic bike racing . 

Your missing the point. Our list was established and designed around a certain style of play. The rule change made that style irrelevant. You can’t change 5+ years of recruiting in a single offseason. I feel some here underplay the significance of this. 

Doesnt excuse our skills though, which is clearly a confidence issue at this point. 

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2 hours ago, Smokey said:

Of course they are angry. Wouldn’t you be angry watching his bunch of hopeless footballers making fools of themselves week in week out? 

Our problems go far beyond anything Goodwin has any tangible control over right now. Yes, I’m not impressed with goody on a few fronts, but I will not condemn him until he has another run at it next year with more of a healthy list. People forget that the AFL pulled the rug from underneath our game plan with 666, and our list was built around that game plan. I’ll join the masses is calling for his sacking next year if we don’t play finals. 

Mate every other team has changed their game plan except for us so I don’t buy it. Also, I was referring to Jennings seems like he is getting frustrated with Goodwin who sits there and avoids eye contact. Hard to tell what’s going on in there though tbh 

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Same problems haven't gone away all season.

Lack of pace, lack of skill lack of genuine quality in experience and talent. 

Thank the AFL for taking away what we were good at (stoppages where Gawn, Oliver and co dominated) and opened the game up.

Took us 5 years to build that list - AFL took it away in one off season.

Goodwin will either adapt or get fired, but are the cattle good enough? It's not rocket surgery

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2 minutes ago, Ugottobekidding said:

What is frustrating is that the game has changed in less than 12 months and Goodwind is the only coach who hasnt worked it out. That is damming in itself.

Or the player can't execute (lack of skill, speed and decision making)

It's actually a bit hard to work out if the game plan is any good when we give up over 10 goals a game to turnovers. Up until roughly round 15 we were the easiest team to score against.

That alone is pretty damning to the coach and playing group.

Do people actually really think the turnovers are going to magically disappear with a new coach? Or am I expectation to much thought from an internet forum? Maybe im actually the stupid one

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4 minutes ago, Unleash Hell said:

Or the player can't execute (lack of skill, speed and decision making)

It's actually a bit hard to work out if the game plan is any good when we give up over 10 goals a game to turnovers. Up until roughly round 15 we were the easiest team to score against.

That alone is pretty damning to the coach and playing group.

Do people actually really think the turnovers are going to magically disappear with a new coach? Or am I expectation to much thought from an internet forum? Maybe im actually the stupid one

Can you really get recruited if you had poor skills. Or is it another issue?

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23 minutes ago, Ugottobekidding said:

Can you really get recruited if you had poor skills. Or is it another issue?

and in the ultimate irony, Watts was our best kick!

 

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Goodwin is not the right guy, he does nothing, NOTHING, to change what’s going on on the field, get rid of him, sick of it, just sick of it!!! 

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2 hours ago, frankie_d said:

Watts was our best kick!

Problem was not having something to kick.

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6 minutes ago, Monocology said:

Problem was not having something to kick.

I didn't want Watts to go but Fritta has been a good replacement.

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3 hours ago, Smokey said:

Your missing the point. Our list was established and designed around a certain style of play. The rule change made that style irrelevant. You can’t change 5+ years of recruiting in a single offseason. I feel some here underplay the significance of this. 

Doesnt excuse our skills though, which is clearly a confidence issue at this point. 

Our pathetic form is NOTHING to do with the rule changes. That is a complete straw man argument. Other clubs have adjusted no problem.

We have been in winnable positions late in the game in around 9 of the 11 games despite turning the ball over more than nearly every other club and being totally unable to hold the ball inside 50 or hit a target.

They players are frozen with fear every time they get the ball. The 'game plan' or 'brand' sucks. They don't know what to do exept pass it hot potato style to a player under pressure

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2 hours ago, frankie_d said:

and in the ultimate irony, Watts was our best kick!

  

Hardly ironic. He was a spud that cared about things in life other than football. A cancer in the club who had to go.

And gee hasn't he stunk it up at Port? Hardly a world beater.

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IIRC most on this Board thought that with Gawn's dominance the 6-6-6 rule would benefit us.

None of us knew how bad the midfield really was

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2 hours ago, Unleash Hell said:

Same problems haven't gone away all season.

Lack of pace, lack of skill lack of genuine quality in experience and talent. 

Thank the AFL for taking away what we were good at (stoppages where Gawn, Oliver and co dominated) and opened the game up.

Took us 5 years to build that list - AFL took it away in one off season.

Goodwin will either adapt or get fired, but are the cattle good enough? It's not rocket surgery

Total rubbish

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2 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

Our pathetic form is NOTHING to do with the rule changes. That is a complete straw man argument. Other clubs have adjusted no problem.

We have been in winnable positions late in the game in around 9 of the 11 games despite turning the ball over more than nearly every other club and being totally unable to hold the ball inside 50 or hit a target.

They players are frozen with fear every time they get the ball. The 'game plan' or 'brand' sucks. They don't know what to do exept pass it hot potato style to a player under pressure

Yes. Need a coach that can both appreciate and teach the importance of balancing contested ball with spread/positioning. Seeing 4 players constantly positioned within spitting distance of the ball, week after week, sh1ts me to tears.

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7 minutes ago, TRIGON said:

Yes. Need a coach that can both appreciate and teach the importance of balancing contested ball with spread/positioning. Seeing 4 players constantly positioned within spitting distance of the ball, week after week, sh1ts me to tears.

And miraculously the ball spits out to an oppo player who sprints away into the clear. Same shiite every week.

 

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18 hours ago, Forest Demon said:

Given expectations, this is one of the worst seasons ever recorded. That is tough to swallow.

This sums up the Melbourne Football Club quite nicely.

And lets be honest, we are one of the few clubs in the AFL's long history who could be relied upon to turn a supposed contender into an embarrassing cellar dweller.

Back to being the butt of everyone's jokes again. A well earned title from the once again insipid mess of a cub.

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1 hour ago, jnrmac said:

Our pathetic form is NOTHING to do with the rule changes. That is a complete straw man argument. Other clubs have adjusted no problem.

We have been in winnable positions late in the game in around 9 of the 11 games despite turning the ball over more than nearly every other club and being totally unable to hold the ball inside 50 or hit a target.

They players are frozen with fear every time they get the ball. The 'game plan' or 'brand' sucks. They don't know what to do exept pass it hot potato style to a player under pressure

I know, that’s why I said it. Did you read my post? 

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I’m willing to give goody another year but if he can’t turn this ship around by the end of next year then time to go, I think this years trade period will be our most crucial in 10 years, he keeps saying we are building from the contest out, problem with that is we have no out, we need class on the outside and a lot of it 

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36 minutes ago, Smokey said:

I know, that’s why I said it. Did you read my post? 

You said we had the rug pulled from under us because the rules changed. Thats garbage.

I said the rule changes were a pathetic excuse and a straw man argument. So I am  not agreeing with you. Did you read my post?

 

 

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