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Alright, I’ve slept on it, and I’m still the same. I think with a couple of additions we have a top 4 list, so we need to strike while the iron is hot, and I’ve lost all faith in Goodwin. I’ve said it for years but his game plan is one dimensional and has been caught out by the rule changes.

The cost of keeping him for 4 years is far greater than that of paying him out, surely there are clauses within his contract that allow us to act sooner rather than later.

Given expectation and ability, this season is one of the all time worst fails, and the buck stops with Goodwin.

I think I’m a pretty reasonable poster normally, so I don’t say this lightly, but [censored] him off.

Ratten would jump at the chance to coach this team, and he has ties to the club as a previous midfield coach. Make it happen or risk throwing this current opportunity in the bin.

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56 minutes ago, Forest Demon said:

Alright, I’ve slept on it, and I’m still the same. I think with a couple of additions we have a top 4 list, so we need to strike while the iron is hot, and I’ve lost all faith in Goodwin. I’ve said it for years but his game plan is one dimensional and has been caught out by the rule changes.

The cost of keeping him for 4 years is far greater than that of paying him out, surely there are clauses within his contract that allow us to act sooner rather than later.

Given expectation and ability, this season is one of the all time worst fails, and the buck stops with Goodwin.

I think I’m a pretty reasonable poster normally, so I don’t say this lightly, but [censored] him off.

Ratten would jump at the chance to coach this team, and he has ties to the club as a previous midfield coach. Make it happen or risk throwing this current opportunity in the bin.

He 100% will not be sacked before next season. 

 Being over reactive is a killer in sports management but I hear you in that not being reactive kills also. We could have won a flag with this guy last year... so to sack him now would be out and out foolish I think. That being said The game plan does look somewhere between amateurish and non existent. .

 Goodwin will get next season with a healthier list to see how big an impact that’s made. If we,re back here this time next year I think  he’ll be gone. 

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He’s seriously out of his depth, the footage of him like a stunned mullet in the coaches box last night says it all. He is a totally clueless gameday coach. Either surround him with the best or F him off. It’s the same crap every week, has been for two years, when we lose it’s just repeat after repeat. Footage of Ratten showed he was busy and proactive, I’ve rarely seen Goodwin do that or show emotion. Every now and then he’ll snag a good move but that generally happens 3 quarters too late.

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I have said it before, will say it again.. what is Jennings doing?

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1 hour ago, Wells 11 said:

He 100% will not be sacked before next season. 

 Being over reactive is a killer in sports management but I hear you in that not being reactive kills also. We could have won a flag with this guy last year... so to sack him now would be out and out foolish I think. That being said The game plan does look somewhere between amateurish and non existent. .

 Goodwin will get next season with a healthier list to see how big an impact that’s made. If we,re back here this time next year I think  he’ll be gone. 

Ok, then 2020 will be another wasted season. Goodwin has to go.

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1 hour ago, Wells 11 said:

He 100% will not be sacked before next season. 

 Being over reactive is a killer in sports management but I hear you in that not being reactive kills also. We could have won a flag with this guy last year... so to sack him now would be out and out foolish I think. That being said The game plan does look somewhere between amateurish and non existent. .

 Goodwin will get next season with a healthier list to see how big an impact that’s made. If we,re back here this time next year I think  he’ll be gone. 

If we're 4 and 8 going into the bye next season....I'll  give you 8:4 he's  gone before the end of h/a ;)

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10 hours ago, Forest Demon said:

That’s the issue though. Most of us know he isn’t going anywhere because the club jumped at shadows and locked him in for 4 years. Even I could tell that was ridiculous based on 4 good weeks at the end of last year.

It is a monumental f&do up by the club. Even at the time he had a contract. He was improving the arch year but made finals once. He’d want to do it again with this list to make up for 2018 falling short. But we extended a contract. For 3 years now we have him. Beyond belief. 

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3 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

If we're 4 and 8 going into the bye next season....I'll  give you 8:4 he's  gone before the end of h/a ;)

4 and 8 the way where playing that optimistic. It hard to see who we could beat at the moment. Goodwin may not be a great coach but 70% of our list is not AFL standard. Recruiting has been deplorable. Our two big name recruits Lever and May have huge question marks. The only positive is we have Oliver and Gawn. This season is a true reflection of this club.

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The chemistry in the box looks shot, nobody talks to each other, everyone stunned, they all look angry. 

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21 minutes ago, SPC said:

I have said it before, will say it again.. what is Jennings doing?

Sits there and looks like a stunned mullet.

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28 minutes ago, SFebes said:

He’s seriously out of his depth, the footage of him like a stunned mullet in the coaches box last night says it all. He is a totally clueless gameday coach. Either surround him with the best or F him off. It’s the same crap every week, has been for two years, when we lose it’s just repeat after repeat. Footage of Ratten showed he was busy and proactive, I’ve rarely seen Goodwin so that or show emotion. Every now and then he’ll snag a good move but that generally happens 3 quarters too late.

The contrast was stark.  Goody has an enormous job to gain/regain the players faith that he has the answers to their individual and team problems. It may be a bridge too far already.

 

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It’s becoming hard to defend Goodwin, something I’ve done for most of the season up to this point. 

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After Hardwick's success, clubs got all excited and saw that backing your coach in was a good, positive thing. Interestingly, teams like hawthorn and geelong don't see simply making a Prelim as a "win", they see them as missed opportunities. 

We made finals once, made a Prelim, got absolutely destroyed, got excited and emotional, and threw a four-year contract at this guy.

At most it should have been a one-year extension through to end of 2020, with an additional two years through to 2022 if we made finals in 2019. 

Put it this way: we extended his contract to "keep him", not to "give him time". We wanted him for ourselves. Bad choice.

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3 hours ago, Forest Demon said:

Alright, I’ve slept on it, and I’m still the same. I think with a couple of additions we have a top 4 list,

Dreaming.

Our midfield and forward line are sub-standard.

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2 minutes ago, praha said:

After Hardwick's success, clubs got all excited and saw that backing your coach in was a good, positive thing. Interestingly, teams like hawthorn and geelong don't see simply making a Prelim as a "win", they see them as missed opportunities. 

We made finals once, made a Prelim, got absolutely destroyed, got excited and emotional, and threw a four-year contract at this guy.

At most it should have been a one-year extension through to end of 2020, with an additional two years through to 2022 if we made finals in 2019. 

Put it this way: we extended his contract to "keep him", not to "give him time". We wanted him for ourselves. Bad choice.

Absolutely correct give him a short term opportunity but the long term contract is a pitiful decision overseen by our pathetic board. If he walked so be it he was never a Clarkson. Decision like this are why we are so bad.

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8 minutes ago, praha said:

After Hardwick's success, clubs got all excited and saw that backing your coach in was a good, positive thing. Interestingly, teams like hawthorn and geelong don't see simply making a Prelim as a "win", they see them as missed opportunities. 

We made finals once, made a Prelim, got absolutely destroyed, got excited and emotional, and threw a four-year contract at this guy.

At most it should have been a one-year extension through to end of 2020, with an additional two years through to 2022 if we made finals in 2019. 

Put it this way: we extended his contract to "keep him", not to "give him time". We wanted him for ourselves. Bad choie.

And the Tigers had a passionate Club with leaders like Brendan Gale and Peggy O,Neil. We have no equivalents in our guns for hire, Pert and Co.

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11 hours ago, Forest Demon said:

Not sure about the players, but he has lost most supporters with half a brain.

And all of those with more ;)

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10 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

over the cap is dollar for dollar to the AFL .. a simple question of money to be weighed up against loss of sponsorships revenue etc

And id be half inclined to think thst every dollar in 'tax' we'd  look to pay wouls come right back in some other handout ;)

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Imo he needs a mentor one who has input into game day and every other aspect of footy. 

Mick Malthouse would be good. Look what he did with collywobbles before the Buckley stuff started to annoy him. 

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HE has lost the players. I’m convinced. They don’t believe in or trust his game plan. They are frustrated with being played out fo position and not given a chance of winning. We signed him on the back of one year. We are so stupid. We can’t afford to pay him out. We are stuck with it.

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When’s the blowtorch going to be applied to this coach??? Changing roles of assistant coaches mid season sums up the disaster of a club we are as usual! How can 3 other clubs who have sacked their coaches win more games??

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Injuries and no depth have also had an impact

Senior personnel need to stand up

Lewis and Jones to become line coaches

New leadership team

Trade hard

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11 hours ago, Sorry kids said:

Money for old rope for Ratten tonight. Just tell the Saints to hang in, keep the pressure on and wait for turnovers when the heat comes on. 

And kick the ball to whoever is playing on OMac 

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