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2 minutes ago, Monocology said:

Seriously - should that even be a question!?

Rats had us singing once.

It was half a rhetorical question. I’m done with Goodwin. He put all his eggs in the contested ball basket (and I said this last year before anyone shoots me down) and it spectacularly blew up in his face. I’m not across the contracts, but if you offered me a straight swap with Ratten, I would take it every day if the week.

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Our team is not "mentally weak" but there's a significant number of posters here who are and don't seem to be able to see the forest for the trees. Saturday night was bitterly disappointing - the

You're good at making sweeping generalisations.  And yes, there's unquestionably areas where the team needs to improve.  But I don't agree with your assessment of Goodwin.  We're lucky to have him.

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1. Embarrassingly outcoached today.

2. Coaching towards one of the most significant drop offs across the board in history

3. Has assembled a team that turns the ball over, plays lazy, unaccountable football, and gifts opposition teams scores

4. Makes minimal if any in-game changes to counter opposition dominance

5. Is just an awful game day coach

He is badly out of his depth. 

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3 minutes ago, chook fowler said:

He is clueless. Consistently out coached. Needs to go, now.

I've been hanging in there for him but now I am convinced he needs to go and this week. 14 goals from our turnovers in back half, pathetic skills all over ground by all players including Salem and NO leadership at all plus unbelievable selections to me means he has no f'ing  idea how to coach

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Hard to defend the post bye coaching by Goodwin.

If we had lost with a new gameplan.... ok.. we're experimenting.. but to continue with the rebound happy football is unforgivable.

This was not a loss.. it was a loss against a fellow cellar dweller and it offered no hope

As usual our better players got even worse... That's coaching

 

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I don’t think Goodwin now deserves the benefit of the doubt for 2019 anymore .

are we willing to waste another year next year continuing with this ? 

this game plan just doesn’t stack up, I mean honestly how does OMac get a call up to dish up that , infuriating that we persist , where is the getting games reward for effort there , which Goodwin preaches so much !! 

not one for getting hysterical , I but I genuinely think the club now needs to ask itself a few hard questions over the next month

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6 minutes ago, Forest Demon said:

It was half a rhetorical question. I’m done with Goodwin. He put all his eggs in the contested ball basket (and I said this last year before anyone shoots me down) and it spectacularly blew up in his face. I’m not across the contracts, but if you offered me a straight swap with Ratten, I would take it every day if the week.

I miss Jackson & Roos.

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He’s done, but we can’t pay him out so he’ll last through 2020.

2017 was a failed year.

2018 was a successful year.

2019 has been a epic failure year.

He’s at 2/3 failure rate so far after being handed a finals ready and supremely talented young list.

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1 minute ago, Lord Travis said:

He’s done, but we can’t pay him out so he’ll last through 2020.

2017 was a failed year.

2018 was a successful year.

2019 has been a epic failure year.

He’s at 2/3 failure rate so far after being handed a finals ready and supremely talented young list.

If you think he'll be gone mid 2020 the money between now and then is not much different.

On the flip side the possible damage to club revenues is enormous

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Godwin’s going nowhere.

He’s got too long left on his contract and even if he was sacked and paid out he’d still come under the footy department soft cap rules. 

The only way we could then even afford to pay a new senior coach would mean sacking at least 3 or 4 assistants plus other footy department cuts.

with the afls soft cap rules no club will be able to sack senior coaches not in their final year of their contract.

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3 minutes ago, Forest Demon said:

Not sure about the players, but he has lost most supporters with half a brain.

Agree Forest, he has lost the supporters. He lost them long ago.

how many members next year if Goodwin is still coach? 

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2 minutes ago, Gipsy Danger said:

Godwin’s going nowhere.

He’s got too long left on his contract and even if he was sacked and paid out he’d still come under the footy department soft cap rules. 

The only way we could then even afford to pay a new senior coach would mean sacking at least 3 or 4 assistants plus other footy department cuts.

with the afls soft cap rules no club will be able to sack senior coaches not in their final year of their contract.

That’s the issue though. Most of us know he isn’t going anywhere because the club jumped at shadows and locked him in for 4 years. Even I could tell that was ridiculous based on 4 good weeks at the end of last year.

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7 minutes ago, Gipsy Danger said:

Godwin’s going nowhere.

He’s got too long left on his contract and even if he was sacked and paid out he’d still come under the footy department soft cap rules. 

The only way we could then even afford to pay a new senior coach would mean sacking at least 3 or 4 assistants plus other footy department cuts.

with the afls soft cap rules no club will be able to sack senior coaches not in their final year of their contract.

Well for me sack the lot and make big Maxy Capt/Coach. Could not be any worse. Also will save money

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10 minutes ago, Gipsy Danger said:

Godwin’s going nowhere.

He’s got too long left on his contract and even if he was sacked and paid out he’d still come under the footy department soft cap rules. 

The only way we could then even afford to pay a new senior coach would mean sacking at least 3 or 4 assistants plus other footy department cuts.

with the afls soft cap rules no club will be able to sack senior coaches not in their final year of their contract.

no... the soft salary cap is a tax not  a limit... just need the money

any one of the big clubs he would be gone

Money wise not much difference between sacking him now or at the  bye next season

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13 minutes ago, Gipsy Danger said:

Godwin’s going nowhere.

He’s got too long left on his contract and even if he was sacked and paid out he’d still come under the footy department soft cap rules. 

The only way we could then even afford to pay a new senior coach would mean sacking at least 3 or 4 assistants plus other footy department cuts.

with the afls soft cap rules no club will be able to sack senior coaches not in their final year of their contract.

is it essentially a luxury tax? sacking goodwin means we would be paying an additional "tax" on top of that cap.

i suspect with a board stacked with executives, we would be okay to pay it.

Pert and Bartlett have a lot to answer for with Goodwin's contract.

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9 minutes ago, praha said:

is it essentially a luxury tax? sacking goodwin means we would be paying an additional "tax" on top of that cap.

i suspect with a board stacked with executives, we would be okay to pay it.

Pert and Bartlett have a lot to answer for with Goodwin's contract.

over the cap is dollar for dollar to the AFL .. a simple question of money to be weighed up against loss of sponsorships revenue etc

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1 hour ago, At the break of Gawn said:

Has he lost the players? 

I was on the plane with the team last week and I didn’t like the body language at all . I don’t think I saw anybody talk to Goodwin at all . Of course I wasn't looking all the time . 

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3 minutes ago, demonique said:

I was on the plane with the team last week and I didn’t like the body language at all . I don’t think I saw anybody talk to Goodwin at all . 

Before or after the game?

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