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Goodwin reminds me of Buckley , if he doesn't change his attitude I think he'll be lucky to make it past the bye. His game plan doesn't stack up anymore.

I was disappointed when he took over and tossed out our defensive setups

Playing guys out of  position last year I thought cost us games.

I think the list is not as strong as most think, we have some very capable players who don't have enough strings to their Bow.

At seasons end Jones needs to give it away, he really gives us little.

The guys we rookied two yrs ago from Casey, just aren't up to it, that was another set back. We weren't bold enough .

We need X factor players who don't miss, there are still a few in the NT

And let's go get Josh Thomas, Brad Hill & Connor Menedue.

 

 

 

 

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On 7/6/2019 at 8:21 PM, Moonshadow said:

Based upon what? 

Goodwin's own game style was consistently a matter of artful poise, open space precision, lacking true speed of ball movement and seeking out alternatives to the regular flow of the ball throughout the game itself; and thus, contributing to a 'possession game at all costs, backwards, if necessary'. He dodged a few 'bash and crash' opportunities himself, quite a few. He could pass the ball well by foot. He often grazed at the fringes of the distributed hay in a paddock where some tough bulls did the muscle work. Now that he is President of the United States, he would like to turn his hand around to venture into metropolitan warfare with his confused charges. How's that for a basis? 

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On 7/22/2019 at 7:44 PM, beelzebub said:

Lucky for Goodwin there's  Pert

Ive changed my view on Pert

Hes obviously  an idiot

Reason being?

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23 minutes ago, loges said:

Reason being?

He obviously  panicked. There was no ned to give an extension  to Goodwin when he did. Even HFC wouldn't  for Clarko. Sensible  folk wait a tad and enter into such things calmly. 

So for me, i suspect  he's  not as clever as others suggest. Its called an opinion.  Thats mine. Cheers 

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3 hours ago, John Demonic said:

Don't laugh at this guys, but if Adelaide decide to fire Pyke in the next 6 games, do you think Goodwin is a chance of wanting to leave/amicably part ways? And where would that put us? Who would we approach to coach the club?

My neighbours are from Adelaide and they have told me for the past 2 years that The Crows want Goodwin....

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1 minute ago, Sir Why You Little said:

My neighbours are from Adelaide and they have told me for the past 2 years that The Crows want Goodwin....

Oh, well.... it's a done deal then. 

"Send him back! Send him back!"

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15 hours ago, praha said:

If this were the NBA he would have been gone mid-season. 

Because so many pro sports teams overseas (especially NBA & NFL) are run by megalomaniacs with no idea of the sport or how to run a successful franchise.

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26 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

He obviously  panicked. There was no ned to give an extension  to Goodwin when he did. Even HFC wouldn't  for Clarko. Sensible  folk wait a tad and enter into such things calmly. 

So for me, i suspect  he's  not as clever as others suggest. Its called an opinion.  Thats mine. Cheers 

He's a Filth supporter, for starters. He ain't as posch as he finks he is, kinda like. He ain't got no Teeser in his Malt. If Goodwin can fool him, it is time to remember that living proof still remains a viable criticism of him.

 

1 minute ago, Sir Why You Little said:

My neighbours are from Adelaide and they have told me for the past 2 years that The Crows want Goodwin....

I'd be happy to provide incentives for Goodwin to roam the Southern Paddock, creating havoc, uncertainty and fostering one- dimensional wisdom amongst the Chooks.

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1 minute ago, Moonshadow said:

Oh, well.... it's a done deal then. 

"Send him back! Send him back!"

Just passing on conversations from a family who follow both Adelaide clubs very closely...

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11 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Just passing on conversations from a family who follow both Adelaide clubs very closely...

Say thanks for the info from us.

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13 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Just passing on conversations from a family who follow both Adelaide clubs very closely...

They're a very parochial lot ...those pie floater folk  ;)

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On 7/22/2019 at 6:33 PM, Sorry kids said:

Look, it is 2019. We are competing in a billion dollar competition. A 15 year old starting work at McDonalds has a full induction before commencing work to ensure they on board with what is required of them. let alone a player coming from the bsket case Club of the competition. But, oh no, not at Melbourne we just assume new players  knows what is expected of them..

FCS, May is a professional footballer with 8 years experience and a former club captain, not a 15-year-old fast food trainee. Goodwin had every right to expect May would join the club knowing what was expected and in good condition.

He didn't, but Goodwin took a very affirmative and positive approach to May's situation, and it shows what a good coach he is.

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What about if we got a mentor for Goodwin. 

Maybe Malthouse and before you jump down my throat before the Buckley/Malthouse arrangement Malthouse had the collywobbles up and running very nicely. He was dealing with all sorts of personalities and getting the best out of them. 

I know we have McCartney but Malthouse has been to the promised land and has a wealth of experience. 

Its just a thought. 

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10 hours ago, Moonshadow said:

Say thanks for the info from us.

Shall do...

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12 hours ago, DemonOX said:

What about if we got a mentor for Goodwin. 

Maybe Malthouse and before you jump down my throat before the Buckley/Malthouse arrangement Malthouse had the collywobbles up and running very nicely. He was dealing with all sorts of personalities and getting the best out of them. 

I know we have McCartney but Malthouse has been to the promised land and has a wealth of experience. 

Its just a thought. 

He has a defacto mentor(s). Thats the first thing to change.

Goodwin may or may not be any good. I have my suspicions  he's got ideas but also readily influenced  at times. I simply dont think he's  ready for this level ..atm.  I dont see how clever it is to waste the time and ability  of players whilst a L plater develops. Ive always thought a senior coach should be capable  from day 1. Thats not to say they dont continually  learn and evolve but ive see nothing so far to suggest he has a real handle on this. 

Without doubt  others  are in his ear. Maybe he's  a bit tired of that. Maybe thats the cause of friction. 

Any which way why should any club pays a whole shipload of money and not get results. 

Its not a bloody charity.  These clowns are on massive coin. ..and for what? 

Folk keep wanting to go fishing for new kids or such as if thats the panacea. We've  got a core of able players . The list is always churned.  We do need more skilled pkayers thatv are FIT though...but more importantly  we need a capable FD that fit for purpise and up to the job. Currently  its a massive fail.

 

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13 hours ago, beelzebub said:

He obviously  panicked. There was no ned to give an extension  to Goodwin when he did. Even HFC wouldn't  for Clarko. Sensible  folk wait a tad and enter into such things calmly. 

So for me, i suspect  he's  not as clever as others suggest. Its called an opinion.  Thats mine. Cheers 

I think Pert extended Goodwin's contract because Bartlett and the Board told him to.   Pert knows 'one swallow does not a summer make' but even if he wanted to, he was in no position to argue the case. 

I still have faith in Pert.  He knows what a successful Football department and coaching panel look like and we aren't even close.  He has to drive the change because I don't think Mahoney, whose fingerprints are all over our current problems, is up to it.  Pert's challenge will be convincing prospective football staff and coaches that 2018 was not an aberration.

Bartlett and some Board members will feel the blow torch just as much as Goodwin if 2020 does not pan our well.  Unfortunately, the old mfc disruptive forces are lurking in the background.  I pray that they stay there otherwise SWYL may be right if the white ants come back to play, it will be Board level club history repeating itself.

The first half of 2020 season is incredibly important to our club and its on-going stability.

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12 hours ago, Moonshadow said:

Say thanks for the info from us.

SWYL's info may be hearsay but I think there is little doubt Adelaide would take Goodwin in a heartbeat!

If next year does not pan out well for us and off-field it starts getting messy, Goodwin may be enticed by Risciutto to do a Brad Scott and we amicably agree to release him from his contract.  He gets a fresh start and we don't suffer a 2 year contract payout.  Goodwin could legitimately argue his family wants to go back.

Remember, Pyke is out of contract next year.

Not saying the above scenario is likely but it is certainly feasible.

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Goodwin got an extension on the back of making a prelim final.  We did what any number of clubs have done beforehand.

Whether there are any clauses involved is anyone's guess but it's my reckoning that Goodwin will change tack.  We've already seen a bit of a shift in how we play and players are now being moved around to suit needs (Fritsch & Lewis to the forward line for instance)

Both from his own point of view and the clubs there needs to be change.  Goodwin was coached by Blight and Blight was ruthless.  Blight coached by Barassi and Barassi coached by Smith.  All ruthless.  Goodwin was an A grade player so he'll know which players to go with and who to let go.  I expect a number of list changes in the off-season because of the above.

The last 5 rounds will show a lot ... Goodwin is now coaching to keep his job.  Which is a lot different to just coaching in a general sense. 

My personal view is that I definitely want Goodwin to stay ... but he has to win games.  If not,  the pressure mounts.  So make no mistake,  he will be coaching to win all of our remaining games.  The cue doesn't go in the rack until after round 23. 

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Sometimes i wonder with all the stats, computers and assistant staff for every decision, do you even need a coach!? We could get another gun player instead and get under the cap!!   :)

 

 

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I actually think his game plan does on the most part stand up. i just don't think the execution is even close to there, and i'm not sold that he has the players to execute it properly anyway. 

if i were goody one of the first things i'd be doing is getting Track a running coach and saying spend the entire pre season running and build a tank coz we need you in the midfield a lot more. 

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3 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

SWYL's info may be hearsay but I think there is little doubt Adelaide would take Goodwin in a heartbeat!

If next year does not pan out well for us and off-field it starts getting messy, Goodwin may be enticed by Risciutto to do a Brad Scott and we amicably agree to release him from his contract.  He gets a fresh start and we don't suffer a 2 year contract payout.  Goodwin could legitimately argue his family wants to go back.

Remember, Pyke is out of contract next year.

Not saying the above scenario is likely but it is certainly feasible.

Really? Got a quote from Goody or someone at AFC to back that up? Journo quotes don't cut it, they make [censored] up. I remember journos reporting Ruscuitto wanting him, but not sure there was anything more than a phone call between mates

Wasn't Goody at Essendon before us? Perhaps his family have acclimatised after 6 or 7 years in Melbourne town.

You might be correct, anything is feasible, even if there appears to be little evidence to support it.

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3 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

SWYL's info may be hearsay but I think there is little doubt Adelaide would take Goodwin in a heartbeat!

Adelaide is one of, if not the wealthiest club in the comp. They would not even consider taking a reject no matter how we sold it.

Pre bye you may have sold it but not now. The other concern is more practical in that it would be spun as us losing a coach rather than sacking him and this club is in such a parlous state that it would have difficulty withstanding another dose of negative publicity.

Have no difficulty with a Scott type deal... leave now and we pay out the contract but if you get a job that reduces the pay out

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35 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

 

Wasn't Goody at Essendon before us? Perhaps his family have acclimatised after 6 or 7 years in Melbourne town.

 

Also might be sick of the decreasing livability, congestion, scandal plagued state government, gerry mandering, etc etc

I mean, come on, Radelaide. It's got the TDU and wine out the wazoo!

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1 minute ago, Superunknown said:

Also might be sick of the decreasing livability, congestion, scandal plagued state government, gerry mandering, etc etc

I mean, come on, Radelaide. It's got the TDU and wine out the wazoo!

Riiighto.....

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16 hours ago, mauriesy said:

FCS, May is a professional footballer with 8 years experience and a former club captain, not a 15-year-old fast food trainee. Goodwin had every right to expect May would join the club knowing what was expected and in good condition.

He didn't, but Goodwin took a very affirmative and positive approach to May's situation, and it shows what a good coach he is.

Sorry to split hairs but Goodwins actions were re-active not affirmative. Affirmative would have been giving him a set of condition regarding physical standards for start of pre season. But look, that is fine if you think leaving it to the players is acceptable,  After all it has worked so well with our senior players in the past.

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