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On 7/17/2019 at 12:02 PM, praha said:

we would have to be the only team in the history of the game to play finals, have off season surgeries, a shorter preseason, and have this impact performance so significantly that it sees us on the verge of a bottom 2 finish. 

This has Carlton 2002 written all over it.

The only thing that gives me hope is the fact that Richmond were actually garbage in 2016 with 8 wins and 79% percentage with a few 100 point losses. And we all know how they bounced back. But they had a mini rebuild in the offseason. 

Goodwin has got to make tough calls on Lewis and Jordon, consider the roles of Viney and Brayshaw, and completely redevelop his gameplan. 

The next 12 months is going to be the most challenging of his 20+ years in the AFL.

In the words of Ari Gold, "I just don't see it happening."

 

Jordon?

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I think it is a very difficult task to find the one reason our season is so poor, when looking at wins and losses as the only indicator.

There are obvious factors we all know, the off season operations, the resultant ruined pre season of many of our players,  a massive run of injuries, many long term, the inability therefore to have a settled side and the resultant lack of confidence and with it,the pressure and deterioration of basic skills, also poor choices in play, some bemusing selections, the total emphasis on a contested possession game, the failure to replace Hogan, the failure to bring in pace and skill in outside mids, the failure to bring in a couple of crumbing goal kicking small forwards, terrible kicking for goal from easy shots, created by a healthy amount of inside 50 ball, regression of many players and failure to improve in others etc.

So what of all that is Goodwin’s fault?

The gameplan? While it is one dimensional, we made a Prelim last year and had 2 great final wins using it. We have been murdered by injuries this year, yet had we kicked straight in several games, we would have won a few more.

Our inside F50 stat is high, but our conversion is terrible. If Goodwin’s game plan with an injury riddled, unsettled team can get the ball into the 50 and we then miss shots or passes, is that Goodwin’s fault?

If we had another key forward and a good young Jeffy type, which we can maybe get through trades or drafting, how much do we improve with a good run of injuries and the confidence the players get from a settled side?

IMO Goodwin is a little to blame because of a reluctance to tinker with his game plan when we are down on numbers available and possibly playing a couple of players not in their best position and playing a couple who belong at Casey, but  otherwise there are many other factors that have caused this season being disappointing to us all. We lost by 8 points and a few points to the Crows, when we were decimated with injuries and they were basically at full strength. 

It is not all doom and gloom.We will get a high pick, a softer draw, a few players with more games under their belt, a few new players, some new coaches and probably most importantly, hopefully a great run with best players available each week.

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24 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Jordon?

Sorry, Jones lol

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30 minutes ago, Redleg said:

 

A)  So what of all that is Goodwin’s fault?

B) The gameplan? While it is one dimensional, we made a Prelim last year and had 2 great final wins using it. We have been murdered by injuries this year, yet had we kicked straight in several games, we would have won a few more.

 

With reference to A...who's gameplan and style are the team trying to put into effect ? Who overseas training ? Who's responsible for players positions and strategy ??  Gee I dunno...I'm thinking the Coach...no ?

As to B...that gameplan got pulled to bits in 5 secs flat.... firstly by  Geelong... but they strangely didnt adjust when we adjusted slightly...however the Eagles tore us a new one. They they published the blueprint for everyone.  Im not sure you could even describe our style as one dimensional....as though there's an intent of direction...theres not much dimension to it.  As to the injuries...and resultant very high numbers going to remedial surgeries etc ..Many are directly attributable to that frenetic period prior to and during our finals. A style of play that is unsustainable and obviously injurious to the players.   and remind me...who's in charge of all of this ??

Who's ultimately in charge of how we go about our game ? Why aren't players leading up more..why are forward entries  just a kick and hope effort 90% of the time. Why isnt this being worked on/changed ??

There's one bloke in charge..

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39 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

With reference to A...who's gameplan and style are the team trying to put into effect ? Who overseas training ? Who's responsible for players positions and strategy ??  Gee I dunno...I'm thinking the Coach...no ?

As to B...that gameplan got pulled to bits in 5 secs flat.... firstly by  Geelong... but they strangely didnt adjust when we adjusted slightly...however the Eagles tore us a new one. They they published the blueprint for everyone.  Im not sure you could even describe our style as one dimensional....as though there's an intent of direction...theres not much dimension to it.  As to the injuries...and resultant very high numbers going to remedial surgeries etc ..Many are directly attributable to that frenetic period prior to and during our finals. A style of play that is unsustainable and obviously injurious to the players.   and remind me...who's in charge of all of this ??

Who's ultimately in charge of how we go about our game ? Why aren't players leading up more..why are forward entries  just a kick and hope effort 90% of the time. Why isnt this being worked on/changed ??

There's one bloke in charge..

I wrote a discussion piece looking at several aspects of what has caused our poor season and questioned how much is the Coach’s fault.

You have your own view and that is that it is Goodwin’s fault. 

I respect your  view but don’t share it.

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Something that probably has been said already is that we have too many mids that want the footy 

 

Oliver, Brayshaw, Viney, Harmes. All great players, but all jump on the ball. None of them hold their space to get the handball 

 

GWS has always had the same issue 

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Not sure in which thread to put this:  Goodwin press conf today

He was asked about the mid season coaching changes.   "Goodwin was reluctant to discuss how those changes were going – saying it was an "internal" issue – but there was a "happy environment" at the club".

Not to sure what to make of the side step?  Frank but vague.  Poses more questions than it answers. 

Thoughts?

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15 minutes ago, DemonLad5 said:

Something that probably has been said already is that we have too many mids that want the footy 

 

Oliver, Brayshaw, Viney, Harmes. All great players, but all jump on the ball. None of them hold their space to get the handball 

 

GWS has always had the same issue 

that is the instruction though... other teams love it

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13 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Not sure in which thread to put this:  Goodwin press conf today

He was asked about the mid season coaching changes.   "Goodwin was reluctant to discuss how those changes were going – saying it was an "internal" issue – but there was a "happy environment" at the club".

Not to sure what to make of the side step?  Frank but vague.  Poses more questions than it answers. 

Thoughts?

Well, the reality  is that some people will be upset, that some coaches will feel pressure and uncomfortable and justly fear for their livelihood, Goodwin, when asked a question of course -  like any patriarch of any family, outwardly puts on a smile :) and bat's it with a lovely cover drive for 4 to the boundary.

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26 minutes ago, Redleg said:

I wrote a discussion piece looking at several aspects of what has caused our poor season and questioned how much is the Coach’s fault.

You have your own view and that is that it is Goodwin’s fault. 

I respect your  view but don’t share it.

So..ok Red...we know the elements that have created this perfect storm of sorts...who do you blame ?

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Just finished the Demonland podcast and wanted to say a big hello to Andy & Grapeviney, who seem to love discussing how pessimistic, absurd and reactionary some of these threads are. I guess we're like a car crash that they can't look away from

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(Great podcast this week however, a lot of constructive discussion on our strengths, weaknesses and how we improve next year)

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4 hours ago, beelzebub said:

So..ok Red...we know the elements that have created this perfect storm of sorts...who do you blame ?

All of it.

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2 hours ago, John Demonic said:

Just finished the Demonland podcast and wanted to say a big hello to Andy & Grapeviney, who seem to love discussing how pessimistic, absurd and reactionary some of these threads are. I guess we're like a car crash that they can't look away from

tenor.gif

(Great podcast this week however, a lot of constructive discussion on our strengths, weaknesses and how we improve next year)

Car crash?

FMD twice over.

Mate we are the Hindenburg!

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7 minutes ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

Car crash?

FMD twice over.

Mate we are the Hindenburg!

The humanity !!!!!! 

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8 hours ago, Redleg said:

I think it is a very difficult task to find the one reason our season is so poor, when looking at wins and losses as the only indicator.

There are obvious factors we all know, the off season operations, the resultant ruined pre season of many of our players,  a massive run of injuries, many long term, the inability therefore to have a settled side and the resultant lack of confidence and with it,the pressure and deterioration of basic skills, also poor choices in play, some bemusing selections, the total emphasis on a contested possession game, the failure to replace Hogan, the failure to bring in pace and skill in outside mids, the failure to bring in a couple of crumbing goal kicking small forwards, terrible kicking for goal from easy shots, created by a healthy amount of inside 50 ball, regression of many players and failure to improve in others etc.

So what of all that is Goodwin’s fault?

The gameplan? While it is one dimensional, we made a Prelim last year and had 2 great final wins using it. We have been murdered by injuries this year, yet had we kicked straight in several games, we would have won a few more.

Our inside F50 stat is high, but our conversion is terrible. If Goodwin’s game plan with an injury riddled, unsettled team can get the ball into the 50 and we then miss shots or passes, is that Goodwin’s fault?

If we had another key forward and a good young Jeffy type, which we can maybe get through trades or drafting, how much do we improve with a good run of injuries and the confidence the players get from a settled side?

IMO Goodwin is a little to blame because of a reluctance to tinker with his game plan when we are down on numbers available and possibly playing a couple of players not in their best position and playing a couple who belong at Casey, but  otherwise there are many other factors that have caused this season being disappointing to us all. We lost by 8 points and a few points to the Crows, when we were decimated with injuries and they were basically at full strength. 

It is not all doom and gloom.We will get a high pick, a softer draw, a few players with more games under their belt, a few new players, some new coaches and probably most importantly, hopefully a great run with best players available each week.

Excellent post.

Summed up our situation perfectly IMO.

 

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3 hours ago, Redleg said:

All of it.

All of what ffs

We are where we are because effectively  thats where we drove the car to.

We caused our own problems.  And someone was in charge directing.

Its not really  that hard. ...

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21 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

All of what ffs

We are where we are because effectively  thats where we drove the car to.

We caused our own problems.  And someone was in charge directing.

Its not really  that hard. ...

So the afl didnt change the rules in the off season?

Injuries didnt happen?

And no other trams got better....

Interesting 

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17 hours ago, Redleg said:

 

It is not all doom and gloom.We will get a high pick, a softer draw, a few players with more games under their belt, a few new players, some new coaches and probably most importantly, hopefully a great run with best players available each week.

I like your post but this final paragraph epitomises the culture that engulfs the club.

We shouldn't be celebrating high draft picks, a softer draw, or new coaches. These are all reflections of a poor team. Quite literally they are consequences of being poor. We need to move past this. 

I hate the fact that we're looking at draft prospects for pick 2. It's [censored] embarrassing. 

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1 hour ago, praha said:

I like your post but this final paragraph epitomises the culture that engulfs the club.

We shouldn't be celebrating high draft picks, a softer draw, or new coaches. These are all reflections of a poor team. Quite literally they are consequences of being poor. We need to move past this. 

I hate the fact that we're looking at draft prospects for pick 2. It's [censored] embarrassing. 

Yep...we've  learnt nothing. We're  going nowhere and we wasted probably  the last leg up from the League.

Let the bells ring...rejoice everyone.

In an odd way it reminds me of a Kyosake seminar.  On that occasion  he asked us who had a plan to succeed, who would be making a change to their lives within the next 12 months ?  Many dutifully  raised their hand fully believing this to be the case. 

He then informed  us that 99% of us won't,  despite us thinking now that we would.

It's about comfort zones etc. You can know what you want/need to do but it's  that step beyond into the unknown that invariably  holds most back.

I see the MFC like this . The more we supposedly change ...the more we stay the same. The more we cling to what we know even though this tact gets us nowhere we just go through motions going in circles but this is somehow comfortable  to some. There's  always next year, next season, the new hopefuls and on and on.

Whatever we are doing it isnt successful. We need to be bold.There is the oft quoted maxim ...if it aint broke don't  fix it. So then surely  the converse applies. If it IS broken...FIX it.

Our FD is , to be frank, unsuccessful.  They drive our game. We need to get oyt of our lazy comfort zone and do something. That..or nothing will change.

Be bold Barrett...be bold Pert

Change this club

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7 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Yep...we've  learnt nothing. We're  going nowhere and we wasted probably  the last leg up from the League.

Let the bells ring...rejoice everyone.

In an odd way it reminds me of a Kyosake seminar.  On that occasion  he asked us who had a plan to succeed, who would be making a change to their lives within the next 12 months ?  Many dutifully  raised their hand fully believing this to be the case. 

He then informed  us that 99% of us won't,  despite us thinking now that we would.

It's about comfort zones etc. You can know what you want/need to do but it's  that step beyond into the unknown that invariably  holds most back.

I see the MFC like this . The more we supposedly change ...the more we stay the same. The more we cling to what we know even though this tact gets us nowhere we just go through motions going in circles but this is somehow comfortable  to some. There's  always next year, next season, the new hopefuls and on and on.

Whatever we are doing it isnt successful. We need to be bold.There is the oft quoted maxim ...if it aint broke don't  fix it. So then surely  the converse applies. If it IS broken...FIX it.

Our FD is , to be frank, unsuccessful.  They drive our game. We need to get oyt of our lazy comfort zone and do something. That..or nothing will change.

Be bold Barrett...be bold Pert

Change this club

You are right BB

Wishing  and hoping and praying wont fix it. The footy department are in serious denial. Could not believe they didn't review the prelim. That fact alone says it all. The fact that Goodwin deflected that really makes me wonder what sort of a incompetent coach we have employed. We didnt want to learn from a thrashing in a prelim ?We ignore and carry on in delusion. Well that's what we did and that is why we are where we are SECOND BOTTOM!!!

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Something got me thinking last night.....Is Bartlett the right guy?

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7 minutes ago, SFebes said:

Something got me thinking last night.....Is Bartlett the right guy?

You could go even further...who if anyone is actually right for our club.

Jackson and Roos seemed to have it tacking in the right direction. Neither there now and it's like we're adrift at sea with Shettino at the helm !!

It's very hard to  gauge Bartlett.. 

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9 minutes ago, SFebes said:

Something got me thinking last night.....Is Bartlett the right guy?

Maybe not, if our players miss goals from 10 metres out. Eddie hasn’t missed a goal in years. 

A stable Board and Club, record membership, a Prelim last year, healthy balance sheet, good relationship with head office  and he is not a publicity seeker. Think we need a new President.

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1 minute ago, Redleg said:

Maybe not, if our players miss goals from 10 metres out. Eddie hasn’t missed a goal in years. 

A stable Board and Club, record membership, a Prelim last year, healthy balance sheet, good relationship with head office  and he is not a publicity seeker. Think we need a new President.

I'm not so sure it's a stable board and club tbh. But I wouldn't know. You seem triggered lately Redleg, unlike you I must say. Enjoy brother.

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1 hour ago, Kent said:

You are right BB

Wishing  and hoping and praying wont fix it. The footy department are in serious denial. Could not believe they didn't review the prelim. That fact alone says it all. The fact that Goodwin deflected that really makes me wonder what sort of a incompetent coach we have employed. We didnt want to learn from a thrashing in a prelim ?We ignore and carry on in delusion. Well that's what we did and that is why we are where we are SECOND BOTTOM!!!

I am not saying Goodwin is a good or bad Coach but last year we loved him and this year some want him out.  

We have to accept that there was more than Coaching that caused this year. If we don’t we truly are a rabble. 

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