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2019 is shot, the coaching panel obviously can't openly admit that but I hope they are already putting plans into place for 2020.

It sounds silly saying it, particularly given we are having such a horror season but next year and beyond could actually be our best chance at breaking the drought. I say this because we would not be the first team in recent years to have a fall before reaching the top.

What they should be focusing on is team management and deciding who they see as our key contributors for next year and making sure they are set up well. They should be looking at players that they don't see as part of the tilt next year and shifting them to the side, Lewis is a great example. He can still be a massive asset to us at Casey putting into practice with younger players the standards and the styles that we expect of them. He might still get some games here and there if his form or injuries warrant it.

We should also be assessing players that have long term injury concerns and making sure they are managed the best way possible. AvB is a great example here, he made such an impact in the final rounds and in the finals that clearly if fit he is a huge asset. If he needs to be put on ice for next year or given extra time off when he comes then so be it. Lever and May looked good vs the Pies but likewise if their niggles flare up then give them time to get through it. 

All that aside results this year are still important, we have to try to make the back half of the year as positive as we can so we can tackle next year with confidence. The philosophy (in my opinion) is that the season starts again. We tackle it one game at a time to rebuild the confidence and get that flare we had last year. On the tactical side they should also be assessing whether our chaotic style is the way forward and should we need to start shifting towards a different style in advance of next year.

I think Goodwin's got it in him to take us to a premiership, I'm backing him for his contract and I see no point in us even considering entering a coaching merry go round for a long time.

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Is Goodwin the right guy?  I think it is possible to answer this as a no without saying. " I want his head, now'  

I am really not sure but think part of his problem with some of us supporters apart from his game plan is his communication with us particularly in his after match interviews. For mine he internalizes his truth feelings a bit, maybe being protective of the players. I would like him to occasionally say things like,  "we must get better at using the ball or kicking for goal" not we are working at it as hard as we can and it will come" trust us sort of thing. Unfortunately we Melbourne supporters have nothing to base our trust on from coaches with apologies to John Northey and Neil Danahier who felt short at the line. So I would like him to just wear a coaches hat and a hard hat at times.  Beyond that one can have a view that he may not have been the right person for the job in hindsight without calling for his head immediately.

Lets all hope it turns around soon but my concern is he has little hstory in leadership experience of turning failure to success. Ladder positions of Adelaide when he was captain and Essendon where he was assistant coach were very modest. I hope I am wrong.

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Here's a hypothetical...

You are the chairman of the MFC and are approached off the record by the chairman of Port Adelaide (Mr. Y). Y says "we are going to move Hinkley to the position of head of football and we would like to employ Goodwin as our coach starting at the end of season 2019.

We will match his present contract and possibly pay him a little more for the trouble of relocating etc."

What do you do?

I played this through in my head yesterday and am happy to share my thoughts if the hypothetical develops.

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Just now, Diamond_Jim said:

Here's a hypothetical...

You are the chairman of the MFC and are approached off the record by the chairman of Port Adelaide (Mr. Y). Y says "we are going to move Hinkley to the position of head of football and we would like to employ Goodwin as our coach starting at the end of season 2019.

We will match his present contract and possibly pay him a little more for the trouble of relocating etc."

What do you do?

I played this through in my head yesterday and am happy to share my thoughts if the hypothetical develops.

imv unless there is someone better out there (which I doubt) Goodwin stays. 

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4 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Here's a hypothetical...

You are the chairman of the MFC and are approached off the record by the chairman of Port Adelaide (Mr. Y). Y says "we are going to move Hinkley to the position of head of football and we would like to employ Goodwin as our coach starting at the end of season 2019.

We will match his present contract and possibly pay him a little more for the trouble of relocating etc."

What do you do?

I played this through in my head yesterday and am happy to share my thoughts if the hypothetical develops.

I am am the plane, lets have a coffee.

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5 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

imv unless there is someone better out there (which I doubt) Goodwin stays. 

okay.. but before you can decide that do you just say no or do you take it to the Board, the director of football.....

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2 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Here's a hypothetical...

You are the chairman of the MFC and are approached off the record by the chairman of Port Adelaide (Mr. Y). Y says "we are going to move Hinkley to the position of head of football and we would like to employ Goodwin as our coach starting at the end of season 2019.

We will match his present contract and possibly pay him a little more for the trouble of relocating etc."

What do you do?

I played this through in my head yesterday and am happy to share my thoughts if the hypothetical develops.

Interesting DJ. Had not considered that scenario. 

It would certainly give me pause but only if there was a better man I could privately get a handshake agreement with first. 

Clarkson number one, then Ross Lyon, maybe Longmire and possibly Beveridge.

I’ve always been concerned that Goodwin does not fully comprehend how big the Melbourne coaching job is, the cultural issues and all the baggage that goes with it. It remains the toughest gig in football.

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3 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

okay.. but before you can decide that do you just say no or do you take it to the Board, the director of football.....

Fair question. 

With my CEO hat on and in the interests of good governance there is no choice but take it to the Board but I would have a recommendation that the offer be rejected. 

I truly believe Goodwin will be a very good coach.  I would be looking more closely at his superiors, the coaching panel and list manager.

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From my viewpoint I take the issue to two other directors first one of whom is the director of football. I am particularly alert to leaks at this stage realizing that if we move beyond these discussions the matter may become at least semi public..

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1 minute ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Fair question. 

With my CEO hat on and in the interests of good governance there is no choice but take it to the Board but I would have a recommendation that the offer be rejected. 

I truly believe Goodwin will be a very good coach.  I would be looking more closely at his superiors, the coaching panel and list manager.

aren't you concerned that the Board will leak ?

Remember if Goodwin fails in 2020 it will cost the club $X million to pay him out and like some other directors you have been privately wondering if you did the right thing in extending him for so long in 2019

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On 6/13/2019 at 10:19 AM, drysdale demon said:

Garbage, in any sport you cannot exceed your ability, you can play to the level of it but you cannot exceed it. There are numerous reasons why the team has not performed to the level of last year.

Well you can.

You can have a team that by all rights should win about 10 games in a season, but due to form, injuries, suspensions, etc. of the opposition, a combination of circumstances can conspire for you to win more games than you should, and give a false representation of where you sit within the competition. The reverse is also true.

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31 minutes ago, Mach5 said:

. The reverse is also true.

Like what has happened this year.  I was more referring to a sportsperson performing to the best of their ability, but they cannot perform better than they are capable of.

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I'll be keen to hear what regurgitated humble pie tastes like.

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Someone has to pay for the disaster we are in. At this stage we need to get new people in , I would look at replacing assistant coaches, admin and  the reserves coach in Rawlings. Mission leaving is no loss , he has run his "race". 

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1 hour ago, Fifty-5 said:

I'll be keen to hear what regurgitated humble pie tastes like.

I am with you on that. When things turn around over the next few years a lot of the posts are going to be thrown back at posters.

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37 minutes ago, drysdale demon said:

I am with you on that. When things turn around over the next few years a lot of the posts are going to be thrown back at posters.

There is a large assumption there dd.

"over the next few years" so obviously you don't expect much from 2020.

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Just like our team Goodwin is an  inexperienced coach. All going well we hit the end of the year with a relatively injury free list and with a longer preseason and fewer surgeries we hit 2020 with an easier draw, 2 top 25 draft picks, hopefully a decent recruit and a head of steam. This years been a shocker but the upside remains

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2 hours ago, old dee said:

There is a large assumption there dd.

"over the next few years" so obviously you don't expect much from 2020.

I would have thought 2020 is part of the next few years, anyway I am positive there is going to be a lot of past posts fired back. I see SWYL is sniggering in the background there

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1 hour ago, drysdale demon said:

I would have thought 2020 is part of the next few years, anyway I am positive there is going to be a lot of past posts fired back. I see SWYL is sniggering in the background there

Far from it Sunshine, i have been hoping this team would improve “Over the next few years” since 1971. That year we won the first 8 games, but failed to make the Finals....

As only we do....

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10 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Far from it Sunshine, i have been hoping this team would improve “Over the next few years” since 1971. That year we won the first 8 games, but failed to make the Finals....

As only we do....

Club has a history of failing to maintain success  & win a flag, 88 & 2000. Sure we hung around playing finals but eventually fell off the cliff 

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4 hours ago, Demonsone said:

Club has a history of failing to maintain success  & win a flag, 88 & 2000. Sure we hung around playing finals but eventually fell off the cliff 

88 era,  we copped one of the best clubs/teams of all time to be up against...  and they had the mongrel wood on us,  and made us their mental biatches.

 

Mid to late 90's we were extremely talented front runners.   Not disciplined enough,  and not strong enough defensively minded,  to shut down and suffocate our strong opponents.

2000_  same, same.   Skilled front runners, shown up by tough mongrel footballers with the spirit to Win at all costs...   lambs to slaughterhouse.

 

 We have to get to being a team of hard nuts, who can kick and run...  with footy nous,  and and irrepressible spirit. 

Our Club's modern off-field public culture,  continually undermines our efforts to become this.   That morality is a PC thing,  and it harms the Demons.

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