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1 hour ago, jumbo returns said:

Eddie has been into his ear since he got drafted

The possibility of another of Eddie's fatal forays into player attraction? Let's talk the Weed up a bit, so then just maybe, Eddie might think he is onto another very hot piece of property. We might make the Club a quid out of it, too. 

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1 hour ago, Winter Dan said:

As I remember it took Hawkins many years to become an effective player for Geelong. They were very patient.

As Weid is pretty average for agility, the power fwd role is the best long term position for him.

Inappropriate adjective '...power...'  in this case. Sad, really...

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12 hours ago, MurDoc516 said:

If we had Watts no one would be worried.

Wrong, we'd still be worried because Watts is not, has never been, and will never be a KPF. In fact he did best as a third tall. 

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47 minutes ago, Deemania since 56 said:

The possibility of another of Eddie's fatal forays into player attraction? Let's talk the Weed up a bit, so then just maybe, Eddie might think he is onto another very hot piece of property. We might make the Club a quid out of it, too. 

Based on the deal the Pies did with Chris Mayne, we should still get a first rounder for Weid, even if he is very unlikely to ever make the grade. 

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1 minute ago, The Chief said:

Based on the deal the Pies did with Chris Mayne, we should still get a first rounder for Weid, even if he is very unlikely to ever make the grade. 

NIcely posited proposition, in all exhausted timeframes.

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3 hours ago, olisik said:

That post was from last night so yes I have. 3 pre seasons, this is his third year.

just entering his 3rd year. had another ankle Op.

 

Lets start to expect, after the half way mark.  Do we want to help, or hinder him?

 

I reckon this kid ( 20Yrs_8Mths ) to this point, just needs a bit of faith shown.

He's a big lad ( Height: 195cm_Weight: 97kg ) who needs some more muscle, and a little help from his mates.

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2 hours ago, olisik said:

You can count it as 2. I am counting it as 3. 2016/17/18

This is his 3rd season with us and he has played for MFC for 2 years before now, not 3 as you stated.

Finished.

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2 hours ago, Winter Dan said:

As I remember it took Hawkins many years to become an effective player for Geelong. They were very patient.

As Weid is pretty average for agility, the power fwd role is the best long term position for him.

Hang on his grandad was a follower, a rugged follower, and powerful mark. With attitude.  ran straight lines.

Lets see what we get first, before we make any rash predictions on a lad, who has played 2 seasons, and is yet to become an adult.

I suggest that bambi will turn into a buffalo.

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Geez there are some doomsayers on here aren't there?  Give the kid a go.  I mean, he's a tall lad that still needs more time to develop, but he is still - relative to bigger blokes - a kid.

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6 minutes ago, iv'a worn smith said:

Geez there are some doomsayers on here aren't there?  Give the kid a go.  I mean, he's a tall lad that still needs more time to develop, but he is still - relative to bigger blokes - a kid.

I'm not writing him off, just saying I'll see it as a bonus if he comes on. 

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2 hours ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

I've certainly been critical of the club playing the Weid over other players at times last year, when I didn't see him as being anything like ready and it costing us games.  Still think we would have beaten Geelong and Richmond last year if Pedersen had played instead of the Weid.  That said, it's more a criticism of our coaching and selection than anything directed at Weiderman so much.

Like most big guys, I think this guy needs time to develop and establish his game.  Tom Hawkins is the classic, but the more recient example I can think of is Tim O'Brian for Hawthorn.  When we played Hawthorn for the first time in 2016, I thought O'Brain looked like a passenger in their side, failing to make much of an impact (ironically, asides from one late goal which helped sink us that day), but watching him last year, I think he started to look much more imposing as a player and gave me the impression (from the limited exposure I've had to him) that he looked like he might have a good future as an AFL player.  O'Brain is 3 years older and longer in the system than Weid.

If we can pick up guys with gammy hamstrings from GWS and keep them on our list for a few years on the basis of potential, then I think it's well worth continued perseverance and patience with the Weid.

This is when you know you're in trouble. O'Brien is an ordinary player who can take a nice grab from time to time but lacks the all round game and will never make it as a result.

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1 hour ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

JKH is the quintessential list clogger.

A 5 year player that's no where near round 1 selection.

Ladies and gentlemen, our new whipping boy... (Now Watts is gone)

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we finally don't have to rush our kids to play , let the club take time with him 

he WILL repay it , 

we wrecked so many picks making the kids play early 

 

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4 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

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Playing lists change but whipping boys don't. We can't sit around doing Jack. Watt's a DL poster to do?

Wouldn't be right if there wasn't one of our own to lay into.

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2 hours ago, ignition. said:

In hindsight there have been a lot of draftees I wish the club had taken, but I don't see Weideman as a mistake.

As others have said, on draft night Weideman was deemed the potential steal of the draft.

That year he endured injury-induced setback after setback, but when he played he was spectacular. For example, he convincingly beat the number one defender of his cohort, Aaron Francis (went pick #6), when they went head-to-head. He also was one of the best on ground players when he played a half of football against a VFL side. Finally, he had premiership captain next to his name from the year prior.

Yes, Curnow looked sensational last night, and yes, I would like him at the Dees. But at the time of the draft he had just been arrested for drink driving and subsequently refusing to perform a breath test. He came across as a bad-boy, a meat-head, whatever you want to call him. The club obviously questioned his ability to commit to being a full-time professional athlete. Yes, we chose the "nice guy" who had, and still has, great potential. Sure, we could have selected the "mongrel", however, based on the facts available at the time that "mongrel" may potentially damage the culture of the club or have off-field issues such as Dayle Garlett or Jake Stringer.

Carlton also had big doubts about Curnow which is why they took Harry McKay ahead of him.

In fact, Curnow was the 6th key position player taken in that draft behind:

Weitering

Schache

Francis

Weideman

McKay.

None of those player have set the world on fire yet.  Some will, some won’t.  But the fact of the matter is we won’t know for a few more years yet.

In addition, it’s probably worth noting who was playing full back last night for Carlton whilst Curnow played full forward.  Liam Jones is a KPP who didn’t play a good match until the age of 26. Some guys burst onto the scene... some take time.

 

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1 minute ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

Carlton also had big doubts about Curnow which is why they took Harry McKay ahead of him.

In fact, Curnow was the 6th key position player taken in that draft behind:

Weitering

Schache

Francis

Weideman

McKay.

None of those player have set the world on fire yet.  Some will, some won’t.  But the fact of the matter is we won’t know for a few more years yet.

In addition, it’s probably worth noting who was playing full back last night for Carlton whilst Curnow played full forward.  Liam Jones is a KPP who didn’t play a good match until the age of 26. Some guys burst onto the scene... some take time.

 

Not sure what this post is doing here. It's far too sensible.

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21 minutes ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

Carlton also had big doubts about Curnow which is why they took Harry McKay ahead of him.

In fact, Curnow was the 6th key position player taken in that draft behind:

Weitering

Schache

Francis

Weideman

McKay.

None of those player have set the world on fire yet.  Some will, some won’t.  But the fact of the matter is we won’t know for a few more years yet.

In addition, it’s probably worth noting who was playing full back last night for Carlton whilst Curnow played full forward.  Liam Jones is a KPP who didn’t play a good match until the age of 26. Some guys burst onto the scene... some take time.

 

Agreed and well said.

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2 hours ago, Deemania since 56 said:

The possibility of another of Eddie's fatal forays into player attraction? Let's talk the Weed up a bit, so then just maybe, Eddie might think he is onto another very hot piece of property. We might make the Club a quid out of it, too. 

It's all a bit of a laugh... but it begs the question. Pies first rounder next year. Will be a high pick. If they offered it.... Not that they will. But every player in the league has a price. What would be enough for us to trade Weed. Keeping in mind Tom Lynch (crows) was traded after a few years for steak knives and has turned into a gun.

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Agree with all pleading patience. I think OMac, whilst still a work in progress, is a demonstration of our club investing in young KP player development and that rewards are forthcoming (perhaps slower than desired, but in line with our teams tilt for a flag). Weids has been more of a slow burn with injuries, but there's been a few games where he's shown that it's worth the continued investment in him.

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4 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

no... you miss the point

Both last year and this we have suffered key injuries which should have given a chance to several fringe players.

No one was expecting him to star either last year or this but the fact that he is not considered capable of filling a short term gap is as Dr G just said ... "underwhelming".

And don't say he isn't getting a run this time because he lacked  a pre-season. He wouldn't have been considered anyway.

Lists require analysis and this is what we are entitled to do as followers of the team. Just accepting the mediocrity of the last fifty years got us to where we are.

By the way good luck to the young man and we all hope he makes it.

 

No, I think you are missing the point, that's exactly what has happened, perhaps you should read through this thread again.

He was 19 last year and didn't dominate, well howdy doody, what did you expect, he's had a taste of what's required and now he knows what to do when he gets back in the side.

Get off his back and just learn to be happy that we have a team that's good enough to allow him to develop before he gets thrown to the wolves.

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25 minutes ago, Dante said:

No, I think you are missing the point, that's exactly what has happened, perhaps you should read through this thread again.

He was 19 last year and didn't dominate, well howdy doody, what did you expect, he's had a taste of what's required and now he knows what to do when he gets back in the side.

Get off his back and just learn to be happy that we have a team that's good enough to allow him to develop before he gets thrown to the wolves.

I saw him kick 6 goals in the first half against the Box Hill hawks last year. The boy has got it...

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