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4 hours ago, Bossdog said:

Jesus mate.....    Have you ever been on one of these camps?

The main aim is to break you down and then rebuild you to a point where you usefull for a cause ie battle

I have been on a few and all I got out of it was crook as a dog and praying for it to end.   I am no tougher than I was

It was a debarkle last year.   3 players reported in the first couple of games, not the leadership we wanted at that stage but were they tough?

I don't care what the media says about us......We will get done this year and we will win some gutsy ones so even is the competition.   When we do lose it will have nothing to do with a camp not held months ago.

Righto boss, I'll send a memo to Melbourne Storm and the Craig Bellamy, letting them know of your 1st hand impressions, & that they could well save their money for a cinema outing instead, for player welfare.

I'm sure they'll be grateful for the heads up.  These camps are not cheap you know.

 

By the way.  How is your favorite small from the 2012 National Draft going?

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14 hours ago, DV8 said:

Righto boss, I'll send a memo to Melbourne Storm and the Craig Bellamy, letting them know of your 1st hand impressions, & that they could well save their money for a cinema outing instead, for player welfare.

I'm sure they'll be grateful for the heads up.  These camps are not cheap you know.

 

By the way.  How is your favorite small from the 2012 National Draft going?

How about you ask Tyson, who dislocated his knee and had to continue walking/ running as there was no medical assistance in attendance

How about you ask Hibbert who had a heel soreness but had to continue walking/running as there was no medical assistance   Missed the first 4 games.

How about you ask Salem who had concussion but had to continue walking/running as there was no medical assistance and had concussion issues throught the year, but that camp toughen them up really well didn't it?

I don't get your last comment?    Who was my favorite small from 6 years ago? 

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18 hours ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Beat Geelong around 1 and all will be forgotten. 

Unless we follow that up with a loss to Brisbane the next week which is exactly what a mentally fagile team would do. *

* just a fear of mine. I don't think we're mentally fragile. Well I hope not. I'm just projecting my own fragility. I should seek help.

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Out of all the headlines the AFL site could run with for the “Pick A Winner” segment going into R1, they conveniently chose the following.

http://www.afl.com.au/video/2018-03-21/carey-dees-arent-a-united-team

Our preview is about 10 minutes in if any one really gives a ......!

Apologies if already posted elsewhere.

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On 18 March 2018 at 6:36 PM, DV8 said:

So why then do the Special forces put their men through these trials, & the SOGies as well. They are the elite of their Skills, they have to be, the standouts.

So we here are worried about a couple of little injuries, and some sleepless nights during the course?  really?

 

Or are we worried that some players may decide to leave the club, because its all too tough?

 

Do we want to be the Big Winners, or do we want to be the best AFL host team, as we've been for so many decades?

 

A lot of players got rich from us,. that would not have cut the September mustard, in most Grand Finals.

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Our problem hasn't been to top up a talented list;  its been to get them playing to win flags. To remain disciplined to that cause. To not party during the week.

To be single minded with the ultimate prize in focus.

And because of this,  lacking the desire needed to develop our recruits into men, real stars, instead of spectacular players fond of the camera.

This is where our players have developed into, doing the spectacular, instead of doing the winning.

 

Our young recruits all want to do that spectacular thing, instead of busting their arzes all game, every game.

 

This is our collective failure.  And this is the bathwater experience, & this is what we continue to achieve. 

'The spectacles' of the competition.

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You are conveniently overlooking the main reason why a large group of players didn't want to do this particular camp.  You have completely missed the boat ....again...and again ....and again....and 

22 hours ago, Bossdog said:

Jesus mate.....    Have you ever been on one of these camps?

The main aim is to break you down and then rebuild you to a point where you usefull for a cause ie battle

I have been on a few and all I got out of it was crook as a dog and praying for it to end.   I am no tougher than I was

It was a debarkle last year.   3 players reported in the first couple of games, not the leadership we wanted at that stage but were they tough?

I don't care what the media says about us......We will get done this year and we will win some gutsy ones so even is the competition.   When we do lose it will have nothing to do with a camp not held months ago.

DV is obviously an ex special forces Op Boss.  Don't question his knowledge of all things military, especially the value of said camp please!

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3 hours ago, Bossdog said:

How about you ask Tyson, who dislocated his knee and had to continue walking/ running as there was no medical assistance in attendance

How about you ask Hibbert who had a heel soreness but had to continue walking/running as there was no medical assistance   Missed the first 4 games.

How about you ask Salem who had concussion but had to continue walking/running as there was no medical assistance and had concussion issues throught the year, but that camp toughen them up really well didn't it?

I don't get your last comment?    Who was my favorite small from 6 years ago? 

So out of all the players, one player did something silly putting on his back-pack, and so you want to demonise all camps?  Do you want to stop all contact in preseason, for fear of concussions.

I think one of our players was concussed at training just a few weeks back?  Why haven't you said anything about that issue?

 

Organising a medic to be at hand, is not hard to do?

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34 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

You are conveniently overlooking the main reason why a large group of players didn't want to do this particular camp.  You have completely missed the boat ....again...and again ....and again....and 

I don't think I'm missing the boat at all.

The thing is we as a club are still trying to breakaway from the old soft ways that have haunted us from within our culture, for decades.

 

Your the one who is only looking from the players perspective, and some worrier supporters are more worried about the players not wanting to work. And apparently it is the young players who didn't want to go.  and they didn't want to speak up as well.

 

What sort of players & future leaders are were growing, that do not feel strong enough to speak up about strongly held views, so they go outside the club to the players union to act for them in secrecy?

 

That's a bit weak-kneed, don't you think. It seems these players are just the ones who do need this type training.

 

See, my perspective is not for players softness, but for them to develop into strong competitors who can speak UP for themselves, without fear.

 

This action by the players is very much like Gysberts refusing to take part in a time trial.

 

42 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

DV is obviously an ex special forces Op Boss.  Don't question his knowledge of all things military, especially the value of said camp please!

Ah, really rusty?

 

43 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

missed the boat ....again...and again ....and again....and 

So, I think you have missed the boat from the clubs development perspective on these camps taking out the lack of medics Re any serious injuries.

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9 minutes ago, DV8 said:

I don't think I'm missing the boat at all.

The thing is we as a club are still trying to breakaway from the old soft ways that have haunted us from within our culture, for decades.

 

Your the one who is only looking from the players perspective, and some worrier supporters are more worried about the players not wanting to work. And apparently it is the young players who didn't want to go.  and they didn't want to speak up as well.

 

What sort of players & future leaders are were growing, that do not feel strong enough to speak up about strongly held views, so they go outside the club to the players union to act for them in secrecy?

 

That's a bit weak-kneed, don't you think. It seems these players are just the ones who do need this type training.

 

See, my perspective is not for players softness, but for them to develop into strong competitors who can speak UP for themselves, without fear.

 

This action by the players is very much like Gysberts refusing to take part in a time trial.

 

Ah, really rusty?

 

So, I think you have missed the boat from the clubs development perspective on these camps taking out the lack of medics Re any serious injuries.

Leadership comes in many forms Sergeant.  In this case the majority felt their views were strong enough they needed to intervene and act.  Regardless ...the boat has long and truly sailed on this particular boot which had the slipper put into it and is now sunk!

R.I.P.  and may it never surface again!

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4 hours ago, Rusty Nails said:

Leadership comes in many forms Sergeant.  In this case the majority felt their views were strong enough they needed to intervene and act.  Regardless ...the boat has long and truly sailed on this particular boot which had the slipper put into it and is now sunk!

R.I.P.  and may it never surface again!

the camp is past, but the attitude has not.

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Looks like Adelaide Crows have their own camp issues and Taylor Walker, he of bad hair fame is chucking another wobbly.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/walker-furious-with-crows-pre-season-camp-leak-20180327-p4z6kw.html

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12 minutes ago, america de cali said:

Looks like Adelaide Crows have their own camp issues and Taylor Walker he of bad hair fame is chucking another wobbly.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/walker-furious-with-crows-pre-season-camp-leak-20180327-p4z6kw.html

The idea of these camps and getting the edge is beyond stupidity....

...I've got a novel idea, how about you recruit the right players put the right resources in place and then train them to play football.

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5 minutes ago, rjay said:

The idea of these camps and getting the edge is beyond stupidity....

...I've got a novel idea, how about you recruit the right players put the right resources in place and then train them to play football.

It’s the reality TV syndrome that’s taking over reality.

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Caro where are you when we need someone to write an article about another clubs botched camp. Does this mean the Crows are soft? Are they not united? It seems that the camp freaked a few of them out. I cannot see how this is supposed to improve their football skills. As always captain Walker is on the job texting with the same care he extended to lever last year. he recommends it to his family and friends

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On 27/03/2018 at 10:35 PM, Clint Bizkit said:

Melbourne in crisis for not going on camp.

Adelaide in crisis for going on camp.

That's it  in a nutshell, when we did the camp last year many said it was a silly camp we should not have done it because  players got injuries from it

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1 hour ago, don't make me angry said:

That's it  in a nutshell, when we did the camp last year many said it was a silly camp we should not have done it because  players got injuries from it

What, one player concusses himself, throwing on his backpack in a rush without thought ?   hits his head with hard object.  ruthless training regime.  2016/2017 preseason elite training camp.

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 Throw to 2017/2018 Maroochydore training camp.

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FIRST-YEAR Melbourne defender Harrison Petty has suffered a concussion during match simulation at the Demons' training camp in Maroochydore.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-02-02/demon-petty-concussed-during-maroochydore-camp

I don't see a hell of a lot of difference, maybe except for the toughness of the Elite camp.

 

Maybe the players don't like to have their Ego's stripped back to bare honesty ?  just a query.

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