Post Match Discussion: JLT #2 vs St. Kilda

[Deemania since 56 6,634]

6 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Did Hogan spend any time in the midfield, particularly at centre bounces/ball ups? If so, how did he go? 

 

New role, not well defined or guided, but Hoges did well - very well, great attitude this time.

[Robbie57 2,020]

2 hours ago, Unleash Hell said:

Stats aren't the be all end all.

Was his first game for the season, and he wasn't bad at all. But I'm sticking to my call (I accept I could be very wrong)

I agree his disposal was not the best.

[Rodney (Balls) Grinter 10,821]

45 minutes ago, Jaded said:

I also think the drop off in the 3rd quarter coincided with having Maynard and Salem in the centre bounce for virtually the entire 20 minutes, and Jones was barely sighted (probably rested that quarter). We got well smashed in the centre that quarter which allowed the Saints to control the game. All of a sudden contested ball went in their favour after we dominated in the first half. 

Winning was clearly not the priority, as I am sure if this was a real game, the set up would be very different. 

Also I don't think it's a coincidence that when OMac went off in the second half, that Bruce started bobbing up. Frost is nowhere near as good a defender as OMac, which I know is a bitter pill for some people to swallow, but he is very good and clam under pressure and while Frost does some nice things, he panics easily and his disposal is bog ordinary.

Missing TMac up forward and having Hogan playing high, didn't help our forward 50 entries, especially when we weren't winning clearances in the third so had to rush the entries. 

My biggest disappointment of the night is Hunt. We have to work out how to play him to best expose his speed. I know he is getting heavily tagged now, but we need to get 15 touches a game from him, or else his position is not warranted in the starting 22. 

I agree that Jones didn't appear to spend much true midfield time last night and at times without the likes of a Viney, Oliver or perhaps Harmes/ANB in there I think that’s when our midfield contested work dropped off.  I don't think it's total coincidence that our game picked up in the third and forth quarters after Jack Stevens went off injured.  I'd like to think that in a crunch home and away game and we are loosing the midfield battle that Jones gets injected back in there.  My assumption is that being just JLT, Goodwin wanted to persist with and give others exposure to the guts.  Asides from that, it's probably better that the Saints pushed us and gave a warning against complacentcy to the team rather than going in overconfident and cocky against the Cats.

Agree Re Frost too, though I think his game got better the more the night wore on.  I really like some of his sideways diving spoils too - a bit reminiscent of the late Sean Wight.

[Bay Riffin 1,474]

still think we get ahead of ourselves. not sure why given we haven't achieved anything with this team yet.

we need to learn how to stem the flow, take away their oxygen and get more composure.

[brendan 3,437]

Clarry looked massive last night really tall, he got reemed by the umps though and doesn’t get frees when he is getting tagged but still was close to bog, I thought petracca was just brilliant last night his vision and execution in tight by foot is unbelievable, I remember the commentators jokeing in 1st quarter when he kicked inside to melksham saying he didn’t mean to do it, oh I think he absolutely meant it he will break out this year nothing surer, and my tip for the best and fairest 

[Deemania since 56 6,634]

37 minutes ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

Thought he had a quite night big marking wise, but to rack up the touches he had and kick a couple of goals was still a good contribution as you say.  Must have had a ton of goal assists - I recall quite a few clever little handballs and kicks to setup other players in the second half.

Would still really like to see him really stamp his authority as a Carey like focal point taking big strong grabs at true CHF.  Perhaps the modern game style will not permit that kind of ball movement, although I note that we are pretty good at moving it cleanlu through the corridor at times.

Absolutely true, Balls.

[Deemania since 56 6,634]

1 minute ago, brendan said:

Clarry looked massive last night really tall, he got reemed by the umps though and doesn’t get frees when he is getting tagged but still was close to bog, I thought petracca was just brilliant last night his vision and execution in tight by foot is unbelievable, I remember the commentators jokeing in 1st quarter when he kicked inside to melksham saying he didn’t mean to do it, oh I think he absolutely meant it he will break out this year nothing surer, and my tip for the best and fairest 

Both were phenomenal. Petracca is looking to be our best. Oliver's new workload suits him just fine - watch out, Collingwood! 

[Deemania since 56 6,634]

1 hour ago, Demonland said:

I think frosty's strength is as a rebound defender rather than a big man stopper. That mark you mentioned was fantastic.

I do rate him and I wonder whether he and OMac can play in the same team now with Lever. Given that Frost only came on when OMac went down, despite St Kilda's bigger forward setup with McCartin, Bruce and Membrey, leads me to believe that that is not in the coaches plans. 

Rebound is his strength. Timing is his weakness. Needs more game-time.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,754]

I've just seen Jay Clark's story in the Herald Sun. Usual fluffy stuff, but one thing he wrote stood out. He claimed Petracca played at CHF. Is this true?

[Wiseblood 24,637]

Just now, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

I've just seen Jay Clark's story in the Herald Sun. Usual fluffy stuff, but one thing he wrote stood out. He claimed Petracca played at CHF. Is this true?

He spent a little time there, although we rotated players through positions quite heavily, especially through the third term.

He got a look in there without T Mac playing and when Pedersen went into the ruck.  Having said that, he did take a ripper mark over Carlisle at one stage, so he could easily play there if required.

[shorty 233]

40 minutes ago, Bay Riffin said:

still think we get ahead of ourselves. not sure why given we haven't achieved anything with this team yet.

we need to learn how to stem the flow, take away their oxygen and get more composure.

Have to agree, far too many people talking us up, I don't like it.

Also still think that fall away in the 3rd should have been nipped in the bud.

We have a long history of falling away and letting crap teams back into the contest after a good start, I would have preferred a couple of our leaders bring it upon themselves to arrest back the momentum.

[DSP 1,488]

1 hour ago, PaulRB said:

Pre-season done, both games won well, no injuries and almost the entire best 22-24 up and running...

Couldn’t have asked for more.

Bring on season 2018.

its gonna be a ripper...

This. Its gone about as well as anyone could of hoped. Some great signs for the rest of the year.

[Old Bear 388]

12 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

It’s hard to listen to Terry Wallace for an entire game!

For 5 minutes 

[BAMF 4,350]

1 hour ago, Jaded said:

My biggest disappointment of the night is Hunt. We have to work out how to play him to best expose his speed. I know he is getting heavily tagged now, but we need to get 15 touches a game from him, or else his position is not warranted in the starting 22. 

Hunt? 17 Disposals last night?

[Wiseblood 24,637]

16 minutes ago, BAMF said:

Hunt? 17 Disposals last night?

He got better in the second half, but for the most part he didn't have the same impact he normally does.  Not as much dash and run from half back, but perhaps they gave him a different role last night... ?  His disposals didn't really tell the whole story.

[BAMF 4,350]

it was his lack of run that was the problem. Just didn't seem to ever be in a good position for him to get a clear path. 

[Wiseblood 24,637]

I don't understand why people are so hard on Dom Tyson.

Coming off an injury, he played under 70% game time and still accumulated a raft of possies, kicked a goal and laid 8 tackles.  I know his kicking can be a little suspect, but he was crucial for us last night, especially in the first half.

If you don't think he's in our best 22 then you've got rocks in your head.

[Dr. Gonzo 24,209]

13 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

What went wrong in the 3rd Quarter

SEN was not telling much

were players rested?

Had our 3rd rung midfield for most of the quarter and the Saints took control of the clearances.

[DV8 2,271]

1 hour ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

Thought he had a quite night big marking wise, but to rack up the touches he had and kick a couple of goals was still a good contribution as you say.  Must have had a ton of goal assists - I recall quite a few clever little handballs and kicks to setup other players in the second half.

Would still really like to see him really stamp his authority as a Carey like focal point taking big strong grabs at true CHF.  Perhaps the modern game style will not permit that kind of ball movement, although I note that we are pretty good at moving it cleanlu through the corridor at times.

I wonder

2018.

Hunt, Oli, Vince

Petracca Hogan, Hannan

Garlett, Weideman, Tmac.

 

2019.

Hunt, Oli, ?????

Petracca Tmac, Hannan

Garlett, Weideman, Johnson.

[Wiseblood 24,637]

Just now, Dr. Gonzo said:

Had our 3rd rung midfield for most of the quarter and the Saints took control of the clearances.

Spot on.  Plus I think we continued to experiment in other areas during the game as well.  

If we had played with our proper gameplan and our best side for 95% of the game, as you normally would, then the comeback from St. Kilda would never have happened.

[Dr. Gonzo 24,209]

13 hours ago, Winter Dan said:

Liking Fritsch. Has class and time.

Reads the ball in flight really well.

He has great touch, wasn't convinced after JLT1 but he seems a monty to debut in R1.

[Dr. Gonzo 24,209]

3 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

Spot on.  Plus I think we continued to experiment in other areas during the game as well.  

If we had played with our proper gameplan and our best side for 95% of the game, as you normally would, then the comeback from St. Kilda would never have happened.

St Kilda lifted a bit as well, started to lower their eyes coming into forward 50 but having Maynard & Hannan in the middle for large stretches didn't help us.

Edited March 9, 2018 by Dr. Gonzo

[Dr. Gonzo 24,209]

12 hours ago, DeeZee said:

I think it’s out Maynard, Wagner, Bugg and Pederson for Harmes ANB TMac and ether Viney or Lewis

Bugg in Stretch out but otherwise probably spot on. Although I could see Pedersen getting a run at the expense of Frost.

[old dee 23,788]

7 minutes ago, DV8 said:

I wonder

2018.

Hunt, Oli, Vince

Petracca Hogan, Hannan

Garlett, Weideman, Tmac.

 

2019.

Hunt, Oli, ?????

Petracca Tmac, Hannan

Garlett, Weideman, Johnson.

You are jesting right?

[Dr. Gonzo 24,209]

12 hours ago, dl4e said:

Potentially we have Viney, ANB, Tmac, Harmes and Lewis to come in for round one. Watching the game I thaught Bugg, Wagner and Maynard looked a bit off the pace but wern't totally bad. Bugg can't kick. Is Vince an automatic selection for round 1 ? We played 24 I think so that is 5 more to come in with 3 dropped which leaves 4 more for to be dropped. Interesting times for selection crew.

Was Bugg off the pace or did his two misses at goal standout?