Melbourne player investigated over alleged assault whilst overseas

[Bombay Airconditioning 6,391]

20 hours ago, daisycutter said:

and as players are under contract you would have to consider the likelihood of paying out the player maybe a couple of million bucks. so reward and punishment at the same time for something that never went even near a court.

there is no easy solution if the player contests the allegation. the club is in a very difficult situation as the current situation stands. no doubt the player in question has probably approached the aflpa and advised him he under no obligation to self incriminate.

Would the club not have a clause where the player has either breached his contract or be seen to bring the club into disrepute?

[Macca 16,965]

12 hours ago, Mazer Rackham said:

Malthouse's Razor. When Malthouse was still coaching he swore blind that there were no favourites, each player was treated equally, etc. After he retired he freely admitted that of course the better players are treated differently. A fringe player acting up got punished or delisted and a star would get a slap on the wrist for the same thing.

Depends on who this MFC player turns out to be ... if a star, the club will do everything it can to keep him. If a fringe player, they will probably be sacked. (All contingent on an assault actually happening and how bad it is.)

Malthouse's Razor. The amount of effort to keep things under wraps and protect the player is proportional to how indispensable the player is.

MFC will prove to be as indulgent and selectively forgiving as every other club.

And don't leave the supporters out of it TF ... we act and think in exactly the same manner - well,  at least a fair percentage of us do.   And hypocrisy abounds too. 

We may not be making any decisions either 1 way or the other but we'll still share the same thoughts & opinions.

And it's the same the world over ... in any sport in any competition in any country.

 

[Gator 17,332]

Rather than a lynching there's such a thing as due process where facts and testimony precede adjudication.

[Wolfgang219 73]

3 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Indispensable - that covers 1 or 2 of the 4 players in Bali. 

I suspect you are right - we won't be hearing much more about it.  If for no other reason than the girl doesn't want her name and picture splashed all over the place and become the subject of social media abuse.  It takes a very brave, brave person to take on the might of the AFL especially if a big name player is involved.

I think the broom and the carpet are waiting.

Given the complaint was made in early October and the four players (who were in Bali) have ‘allegedly’ already been interviewed by the AFL integrity unit.

 I think it was already under the carpet. 

Edited December 22, 2017 by Wolfgang219

[daisycutter 29,613]

1 hour ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

Would the club not have a clause where the player has either breached his contract or be seen to bring the club into disrepute?

proof, ba, proof. if player admits allegations and they are serious enough then yes all bets off

would be interested to know if aflpa involved. i would guess so.

[pinkshark 950]

23 hours ago, Demonland said:

Because it is a public forum and I don't want to be sued. End of story. You can speculate elsewhere.

Sued?  Hilarious.

23 hours ago, faultydet said:

Because rumours can have the site owners taken to court for defamation.

I like this site and would hate to see it close down

Rumours?  Its not a rumour that a certain four players went to Bali.  It's a fact.  You can't be sued for stating facts.

Get over yourselves.

[Wiseblood 24,637]

4 minutes ago, pinkshark said:

Sued?  Hilarious.

Rumours?  Its not a rumour that a certain four players went to Bali.  It's a fact.  You can't be sued for stating facts.

Get over yourselves.

The site is taking every precaution to ensure it doesn't get itself into trouble, regardless of whether it's facts or not.  I don't see any problem with that.

If you don't like it, then go and start your own forum and you can talk about it with yourself.

[Wiseblood 24,637]

13 hours ago, A F said:

Spot on, mate. I'm hardline on this. If it's one of our better players, I couldn't give a toss. I'd strongly encourage the club to step down the player and if charges are laid, sack them altogether. I've no time for scum and it's scum that commits sexual assault.

I don't understand comments like these at this point on the issue.  It's like you want a pat on the back for being a social justice warrior or something.

We have no idea about what the allegation is, no idea who the players is and, at this point, no idea if it's even true or not.  All we know is that an allegation was made almost 3 months ago and nothing has happened since then.

So how about we all get off our high horses and wait for more information.  We can hold off on calling people 'scum' until then, yeah?

[P-man 13,366]

1 minute ago, pinkshark said:

Sued?  Hilarious.

Rumours?  Its not a rumour that a certain four players went to Bali.  It's a fact.  You can't be sued for stating facts.

Get over yourselves.

Take your own advice.

It boggles the mind that someone who enjoys what Demonland offers, free of charge if you wish, would be critical of the owner having the audacity to take precautionary measures against any possible legal action or its potential closure.

When you run your own footy forum, you can opt to be a lot looser on the naming of names in a matter such as this

[hardtack 10,537]

1 hour ago, ProDee said:

Rather than a lynching there's such a thing as due process where facts and testimony precede adjudication.

Not where the media are concerned... and there are too many “supporters” prepared to lend them credence when it is news that presents our club in a negative light.

[Pennant St Dee 13,173]

2 hours ago, Rod Grinter Riot Squad said:

The club needs to do their best to get to the bottom of this as difficult as that may be. I have no idea of whether innocent or guilty but I do know that three players are under the microscope unfairly

 

No they don't. They have tp respect the complainants decision to take the matter no further for whatever reason the decision was made. I highly doubt she has leaked this to the media.

The club would be foolish to push it any further into the public

[Rod Grinter Riot Squad 5,654]

27 minutes ago, Pennant St Dee said:

No they don't. They have tp respect the complainants decision to take the matter no further for whatever reason the decision was made. I highly doubt she has leaked this to the media.

The club would be foolish to push it any further into the public

Fair point.

 

didnt know the complainant wanted the matter dropped 

[Adam The God 30,239]

13 hours ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Step down the player as the matter currently stands?

Don’t get me wrong, if down the track a player was charged and convicted of course I agree, sack him. But based on what we’ve been told and what we know I don’t agree with standing down the player. A statement hasn’t been provided to police nor has the woman engaged with police since the initial disclosure. 

Naturally, I'm talking if the police are investigating a sexual assault charge. You stand down the player IMO.

Good luck ever getting a conviction for sexual assault. Very, very rare.

12 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

That's several steps down the road though. We don't even know what is alleged to have happened yet or what the players side of the story is. I agree with you if there is a proven incident of serious sexual assault but if it's an unfounded allegation the club won't do anything.

Agreed. It's not the current step, but I don't like the chain of events so far RE The Age article being pulled.

Of course, we wait for more evidence, but I don't trust we'll get much transparency from the police, AFL or the club. What a cynic. ?

[Dr. Gonzo 24,214]

3 hours ago, Rod Grinter Riot Squad said:

The club needs to do their best to get to the bottom of this as difficult as that may be. I have no idea of whether innocent or guilty but I do know that three players are under the microscope unfairly

 

That's the thing, some players are gonna have their names tarnished because they were on that trip. Only 4 players in question and people are going to make assumptions.

[Dante 2,739]

5 minutes ago, A F said:

Naturally, I'm talking if the police are investigating a sexual assault charge. You stand down the player IMO.

Good luck ever getting a conviction for sexual assault. Very, very rare.

Agreed. It's not the current step, but I don't like the chain of events so far RE The Age article being pulled.

Of course, we wait for more evidence, but I don't trust we'll get much transparency from the police, AFL or the club. What a cynic. ?

So you want the player stood down before he's been offered the chance to defend himself and before the charges are, or if they are sustained?

What sort of society would deem someone guilty before the facts are established, maybe you live in one but I surely don't.

I suppose you'd prefer he was incarcerated and, if found innocent, after trial, offered an apology.

 

 

 

[Wadda We Sing 10,685]

2 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

That's the thing, some players are gonna have their names tarnished because they were on that trip. Only 4 players in question and people are going to make assumptions.

Yes indeed, good point. Guilt by association.

[Ethan Tremblay 30,856]

11 minutes ago, A F said:

Good luck ever getting a conviction for sexual assault. Very, very rare.

Having worked at the sex assault squad, I’m well aware of this. My thoughts are very similar to PSD’s earlier post. 

[mo64 5,874]

5 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Having worked at the sex assault squad, I’m well aware of this. My thoughts are very similar to PSD’s earlier post. 

ET, I'm curious to know what the most minor offence that someone can be charged for sexual assault?

[Ethan Tremblay 30,856]

9 minutes ago, mo64 said:

ET, I'm curious to know what the most minor offence that someone can be charged for sexual assault?

I’d have to peruse the criminal code but as far as sexual related offences go, off the top of my head, an indecent act.

Edited December 23, 2017 by Ethan Tremblay

[mo64 5,874]

1 minute ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

I’d have to peruse the criminal code but as far as sexual related offences go, off the top of my head, an indecent act. 

Cheers. 

[Dee Zephyr 19,267]

On 21/12/2017 at 10:30 PM, Deestar9 said:

The Indonesian police will not be taking any further action.....

Is this a fact?

According to an article last night Indonesian authorities weren't aware of any complaint at all until various media outlets contacted them for comment.

[P-man 13,366]

14 minutes ago, A F said:

Good luck ever getting a conviction for sexual assault. Very, very rare.

This is a point worth reiterating as it often gets overlooked in these discussions.

Just because there is no advancement of a report does not mean everything is hunky dory. The imbalance that exists between offences and convictions is still grossly out of whack.

That's not to say that we shouldn't be waiting for facts to be uncovered or hanging any person involved without due process. But let's at least acknowledge that a lot of women don't pursue these matters through the courts because they know the likelihood of success is minimal.

[DeezNuts 624]

The tragedy for me here, and I suspect many others, is that we were looking at a very positive off-season, all getting excited for what is shaping up to be a cracker of a Rd 1... I've held off commenting on this issue until now, but despite the absence of information, let's hope that the investigation is handled and managed as quickly and painlessly as possible for all concerned. Sadly the club, players, fans and the alleged victim and their family are all in a difficult position. 

No one wants to see this takeaway from what looks to be a promising year for us, further, no one wants the worst of the accusations to be true. But if so, we'll have to stand by the principals that we accept in our society and trust that the if any alleged incident did occur, that it is met with a swift and a balanced response, and that the club provides the best support possible for the young woman.

I noted Goodys call for 'humble' players attitudes this season. I can only reiterate that respectful is also something the team and club will - no matter what the outcome - now, unfortunately take time this season to uphold in the eyes of the AFL community. 

The team and club now has some work to do, so let's get on with it.

 

[Ethan Tremblay 30,856]

5 minutes ago, mo64 said:

Cheers. 

No worries. Indecent assault is probably closer to the answer to your question though. Carries a maximum of 5 years imprisonment.

[daisycutter 29,613]

7 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

No worries. Indecent assault is probably closer to the answer to your question though. Carries a maximum of 5 years imprisonment.

(believe it or not) in victoria, mooning is now a specific offence under sexual crimes

MOONING is officially illegal in Victoria with bare bummed offenders facing two months in jail for baring all, from today.

The act of showing your derrière is part of an overhaul of 50 sexual offences to modernise police powers and crackdown on offensive and abusive behaviour.

First-time mooning offenders face a maximum two months behind bars and repeat offenders could be locked up for as long as six months.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/people-caught-mooning-will-face-jail-as-50-victorian-laws-overhauled-from-today/news-story/5f6d318bfd98e5ca09845b563514be6b