Boot Camp 2017 cancelled by Players

[What 18,810]

2 hours ago, bing181 said:

Much ado about nothing.

I wish that we could say thats the case, but its not the first time its happened at this club.

We had a similar thing happen when Dean Bailey was fired.   It was another group of players thinking they were bigger then the club.  

Must be a culture thing.  Been happening since at least the early 1990's.maybe even earlier.

[Wolfgang219 73]

Doesn’t the difference of opinion on this very but board demonstrate how it will fracture people inside the club? 

 

The posters calling out the players (it whatever terms) are supporting the club as this was a club sanctioned activity. 

 

The posters supporting the players are believing the club overstepped the mark. 

 

The club will attempt to sweep this under the carpet (as it should and already has) as it doesn’t want its dirty laundry aired in public. The problem is there will be two very different views on how this problem was addressed. 

 

Coaches lossing players or clubs picking Star players of coaches or verse versa hasn’t been litter throughout history. It remains to be seen if this is easily fixed or will fester below the surface. Those thinking this is a non story are kidding themselves. 

[What 18,810]

There was a time in the mid-1990s when a section of the Melbourne Football Club changerooms at Junction Oval was known as Hollywood Boulevard. For this is where the team’s self-appointed stars — captain Garry Lyon, Jim Stynes, Todd Viney, Glenn Lovett and one or two others – had their lockers, changed their jockstraps and exchanged their blokey jokes.

In that era, when Neil Balme was coach and Cameron Schwab the football manager (and later CEO), the team was divided along neat lines: the Hollywood set and the rest.

 

 

Culture.

Edited December 18, 2017 by Petraccattack

[Bigred 494]

This is the sort of story that the club and players has to turn into a positive 

The club has to respond by being the toughest, hardest, meanest, nastiest team of ex-con tough nuts the league has ever seen. 

That is the only way forward. And when we are that team, this little nonsense will be put in perspective. The only way out of this is to now train longer harder and smarter than they ever have. 

Im not too fussed. It’s what we do now that matters 

[John Crow Batty 8,886]

1 minute ago, Petraccattack said:

I wish that we could say thats the case, but its not the first time its happened at this club.

We had a similar thing happen when Dean Bailey was fired.   It was another group of players thinking they were bigger then the club.  

Must be a culture thing.  Been happening since at least the early 1990's.maybe even earlier.

Could say the same about Neeld and Roos. At least Roos gave himself a UBD and jumped. But going from the disrespect shown to him by the players in his final two games he would have been shafted also. Now it looks like Goodwin’s Next.

[John Crow Batty 8,886]

5 minutes ago, Bigred said:

This is the sort of story that the club and players has to turn into a positive 

The club has to respond by being the toughest, hardest, meanest, nastiest team of ex-con tough nuts the league has ever seen. 

That is the only way forward. And when we are that team, this little nonsense will be put in perspective. The only way out of this is to now train longer harder and smarter than they ever have. 

Im not too fussed. It’s what we do now that matters 

Just like wishing winning tatslotto with your last dollar after being retrenched.

[Dr. Gonzo 24,460]

4 hours ago, sue said:

At the Demonland cafe.....

Can we put this on the banner? 

[Wiseblood 24,637]

There are posters in this thread worth listening to. 

See if you can work out which ones they are. 

[Dr. Gonzo 24,460]

56 minutes ago, rjay said:

 

Yes, I noticed the guards had bolted and some players started to talk while others tried to sleep.

No wonder we couldn't win.

Interesting all the quoting of Moons and Spud & using it to back up the failure to make finals in 2017.

...but no one wants to quote the Champion data man who's take was we were just too young in 2017 so it was no surprise that we lost games we supposedly should have won. He also mentioned the "I" word, injury...but of course, no it was all down to mental fragility.

The only mental fragility I can see is on this site.

Start using some mental acuity crew and think through things a bit more clearly.

 

Good luck with that

[Dr. Gonzo 24,460]

42 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Yeah, I have been giving this club the "Benefit of the Doubt" for decades!!

I didn't think this would need to be  pointed out, but the people at the club now are not those who were at the club then.

[John Crow Batty 8,886]

3 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

I didn't think this would need to be  pointed out, but the people at the club now are not those who were at the club then.

It’s still along way off till round one. Fans are looking for some signs of atonement for the debacle of end of season. What we have seen so far in the off season does not inspire much confidence. 

[Dr. Gonzo 24,460]

Just now, america de cali said:

It’s still along way off till round one. Fans are looking for some signs of atonement for the debacle of end of season. What we have seen so far in the off season does not inspire much confidence. 

Other than this, what are you referring to?

Don't get me wrong I understand those who feel a bit uneasy about this situation and may raise an eyebrow. I along with them will judge the players on outcomes not perceptions. It's those making judgements on the clubs 2018 prospects before Xmas 2017 that I think are acting hysterically.

[John Crow Batty 8,886]

9 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Other than this, what are you referring to?

Don't get me wrong I understand those who feel a bit uneasy about this situation and may raise an eyebrow. I along with them will judge the players on outcomes not perceptions. It's those making judgements on the clubs 2018 prospects before Xmas 2017 that I think are acting hysterically.

I believe a lot of fans were unnerved at Goodwin’s and most of the clubs hierarchy’s silence at end of season. The emptiness is still there.

Edited December 18, 2017 by america de cali

[Dee tention 618]

The Dees will be very active in trade period next year... lol

Get rid off the marshmellows...

Backing the club in 100%

[Dee tention 618]

It will be interesting too see who makes the Round 1 team.

[Juicebox 629]

We should all start guessing who the 14 players are. That’d be fun...

[What 18,810]

13 minutes ago, Juicebox said:

We should all start guessing who the 14 players are. That’d be fun...

Probably the crew that is obsessed with the NBA -  they want so much to be like those wankers over in the U.S that they think they can run the club.

Edited December 18, 2017 by Petraccattack

[DeezNuts 624]

Imagine though, if the concerns were all genuine, and despite the FD/Coaches being disappointed, they accepted the concerns and moved on. 

Perhaps we should too...? 

[bandicoot 1,395]

On 16/12/2017 at 6:14 PM, Wolfgang219 said:

I made an error in the timeline as the players approached the ALFPA directly and the club responded with briefings 

 

From Drunken two days ago 

 

“Now, last Monday Goody told the playing group that the camp would be happening again this year from 18th-20th before breaking for Christmas. Immediately quite a number of players where very much against this for a variety of reasons (including players from the Leadership group), so a group approached the AFLPA to ask how to handle the situation. The MFC staff caught wind of this, so Goodwin gave a presentation last Thursday explaining what they wanted to get from the camp, and explaining that this time they will be bringing a larger amount of medical staff and ensure players were well fed (apparently the food/nutrition last year wasn't the best) Even after this talk, still quite a high number of players were very unhappy about having to do the course again.

So over the weekend the Leadership group and AFLPA met with MFC Coaches/high level staff to discuss the situation, reportedly getting quite feisty at times. The club did have the official final say on the matter, and chose to call the camp off. Monday morning Goodwin gathered all the players and told them the camp was being called off due to the high number of players who raised concerns with it, and he said he wasn't angry but very disappointed because he felt they had given enough information to the players that their health and safety concerns were going to be handled appropriately. However throughout the day the players could tell Goodwin and some other coaches were indeed pretty unhappy with the playing group (when you work with people for long enough you can tell pretty clearly when they are not in the best mood) “

 

So the club addresses the health and safety issues and increased the medical staff etc but the players weren’t happy 

 

 

What a balls up situation. Amateur hour at the MFC

[DemonFrog 1,359]

On 14/12/2017 at 4:57 PM, 64" said:

[censored] pathetic if this is true.When do players decide what training they will do??

When they join the Melbourne Football Club?

[hardtack 10,984]

1 hour ago, DeezNuts said:

Imagine though, if the concerns were all genuine, and despite the FD/Coaches being disappointed, they accepted the concerns and moved on. 

Perhaps we should too...? 

This is Demonland... this thread has at least another 83 pages worth of repetition left in it.

[Biffen 12,949]

I  wear thongs when I go on camp.

Just one if I go swimming.

 

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8 hours ago, hardtack said:

This is Demonland... this thread has at least another 83 pages worth of repetition left in it.

Which is why I prefer Demonology.

[Bring-Back-Powell 15,368]

10 hours ago, Juicebox said:

We should all start guessing who the 14 players are. That’d be fun...

Tonight's TattsLotto numbers as follows:

1, 3, 4, 5, 10, 11, 12, 

  

Edited December 18, 2017 by Bring-Back-Powell

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Exactly.
This story smears the whole playing list.