Jump to content

spirit of norm smith

Ten Things I Learned From the B&F 2017

Recommended Posts

Ten things that I noticed from the 2017 Best and Fairest ...

1. Clarry is a star. Wins B&F in a landslide. He will only get better. Speech was raw but effective. 

2. Viney is loved by the coaches. Not at his best but his heart is huge. His raw determination and ability to play injured obviously got him votes. A true leader and I can see premiership drives this young man. 

3. Jack Trengove. A champion. A champion bloke. Sadly cruelled by injury. Very popular and all class. Overcome with emotions.  He will be missed. 

4. Close outcome from second to sixth. I thought Hibberd would be runner up but he was very unlucky as it was a handful of votes behind Jones, Lewis & Jetta. Surprised to see Lewis in 3rd but his value is more than just stats. 

5. Daisy Pearce is an absolute star. Hope the AFL and MFC appreciate her for what change she is leading and delivering.  We are lucky to have her in red and blue. 

6. Nathan Jones. Great speech. Brief ? Perhaps not but very very effective. Gotta love him. 

7. The coaching rhetoric of culture and standards. Clearly a message to all and what Goodwin demands. Not since Mark Neeld have we had such military style direction at the B&F. I think we are heading up unlike what Neeld created. 

8. Nev Jetta. What a player!! One of my favourites. Rarely rarely beaten one on one. Won us the game v Carlton.  Considering he was delisted then rookied, it is a great story. Great reward and well done.

9. Jack Watts is hugely popular amongst the supporters and players. It will be a sad day to see him in opposition colours. 

10. The disappointment of missing finals will hurt. It should. Jonesy’s speech showed how much it hurt. I felt a sense of ‘Bring it on in 2018’. Unleash hell !!! Go Demons

  • Like 16
  • Thanks 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

45 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

7. The coaching rhetoric of culture and standards. Clearly a message to all and what Goodwin demands. Not since Mark Neeld have we had such military style direction at the B&F. I think we are heading up unlike what Neeld created. 

Nice work! Interesting point number 7 - between  Neeld and Goodwin...Why would this be the case?, Aside from the media speak - is it because he is also a pretty empathic dude and has other coaches who are that way inclined, yet still make the athletes accountable? Because they're not mutually exclusive?

Edited by Danelska
  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
54 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Ten things 

1. Clarry is a star. Wins B&F in a landslide. He will only get better. Speech was raw but effective. 

2. Viney is loved by the coaches. Not at his best but his heart is huge. His raw determination and ability to play injured obviously got him votes. A true leader and I can see premiership drives this young man. 

3. Jack Trengove. A champion. A champion bloke. Sadly cruelled by injury. Very popular and all class. Overcome with emotions.  He will be missed. 

4. Close outcome from second to sixth. I thought Hibberd would be runner up but he was very unlucky as it was a handful of votes behind Jones, Lewis & Jetta. Surprised to see Lewis in 3rd but his value is more than just stats. 

5. Daisy Pearce is an absolute star. Hope the AFL and MFC appreciate her for what change she is leading and delivering.  We are lucky to have her in red and blue. 

6. Nathan Jones. Great speech. Brief ? Perhaps not but very very effective. Gotta love him. 

7. The coaching rhetoric of culture and standards. Clearly a message to all and what Goodwin demands. Not since Mark Neeld have we had such military style direction at the B&F. I think we are heading up unlike what Neeld created. 

8. Nev Jetta. What a player!! One of my favourites. Rarely rarely beaten one on one. Won us the game v Carlton.  Considering he was delisted then rookied, it is a great story. Great reward and well done.

9. Jack Watts is hugely popular amongst the supporters and players. It will be a sad day to see him in opposition colours. 

10. The disappointment of missing finals will hurt. It should. Jonesy’s speech showed how much it hurt. I felt a sense of ‘Bring it on in 2018’. Unleash hell !!! Go Demons

9. Shits me that Goodwin wants him gone. It will come back 2 haunt us

  • Like 3
  • Sad 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Some excellent points, but I'm so sick of hearing players, coaches etc banging on about the disappointment of missing finals. They can't be that disappointed, or they'd do something about it.

  • Like 4

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Jara said:

Some excellent points, but I'm so sick of hearing players, coaches etc banging on about the disappointment of missing finals. They can't be that disappointed, or they'd do something about it.

I agree with you Jara.

It might be a formality but the deal is not done until it is.HE is a Melbourne person until then.Wait and see.

As for Goodwin well, The sought of honeymoon is . over and now he will be hoping that they do well  next season or else.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

4 hours ago, samcantstandya said:

9. Shits me that Goodwin wants him gone. It will come back 2 haunt us

Doubt it tbh. Would love him to stay but hes not going to be an out and out world beater all of a sudden this late in his career 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

More talk. Same every year. Absolutely sick of the chest puffing talk. Jones and coshould have been livid after putting them into the situation of winning the last game when they had many chances to ensure that they played finals this year. Once again they failed, once again they started talking and coming across like they are angry and up for the fight... then come game day they lose to the bottom teams... constantly.

  • Like 8
  • Love 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Hopefully Daisy can lead the women's team to a few flags before her time is up. It would be great to talk about her as a premiership winning club champion decades from now.

  • Like 5
  • Love 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
10 hours ago, Jara said:

Some excellent points, but I'm so sick of hearing players, coaches etc banging on about the disappointment of missing finals. They can't be that disappointed, or they'd do something about it.

The talk of disappointment means nothing , regardless of losses earlier in the year an opportunity was presented in round 23 and they failed miserably.  

No one high up had the balls to label it as unacceptable and that's exactly what round 23 was.

  • Like 2
  • Love 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, Gorgoroth said:

.. then come game day they lose to the bottom teams... constantly.

Actually, if you look at the results, that's not true. We also managed to beat one of the grand finalists, and came within 2 kicks of the other.

  • Shocked 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
5 minutes ago, Demon77 said:

No one high up had the balls to label it as unacceptable

You just said that talk means nothing.

  • Like 1
  • Haha 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
14 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

3. Jack Trengove. A champion. A champion bloke. Sadly cruelled by injury. Very popular and all class. Overcome with emotions.  He will be missed.  

Rookie him & give him a decent go at it.

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
11 minutes ago, GM11 said:

Rookie him & give him a decent go at it.

Why would you?

I seriously think some posters on here just want us to be a middle-of-the-road team for ever.  Just have to look at the outcry over Watts for further proof of that.

For us to be a serious flag contender, we need players like Trengove and Watts off our list.

And so you know, I love both of those blokes, I honestly do.  But I would love a flag more.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, bing181 said:

Actually, if you look at the results, that's not true. We also managed to beat one of the grand finalists, and came within 2 kicks of the other.

Lost to North twice, freo, pies just beat Brisbane and blues. 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

To those people who are sick of the talk from players/ coaches about bitterness/anger about missing finals, what else would you have them say?

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, The Chazz said:

Why would you?

I seriously think some posters on here just want us to be a middle-of-the-road team for ever.  Just have to look at the outcry over Watts for further proof of that.

For us to be a serious flag contender, we need players like Trengove and Watts off our list.

And so you know, I love both of those blokes, I honestly do.  But I would love a flag more.

Because we have no midfield depth.

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, Gorgoroth said:

Lost to North twice, freo, pies just beat Brisbane and blues. 

spot on G .... it was a horrible season ... hard to believe that with five games to go we were still on track for a possible top 4 spot.

Just unforgivable

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, Gorgoroth said:

Lost to North twice, freo, pies just beat Brisbane and blues. 

Hawks loss at the G was pretty poor too.

 

  • Like 3

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
26 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

spot on G .... it was a horrible season ... hard to believe that with five games to go we were still on track for a possible top 4 spot.

Just unforgivable

Yep, soo many games we should have, could have - North (twice), Hawthorn, Freo, Collingwood.  I can understand us just scraping in against Carlton the second time given how injury depleted we were at the times, but to not beat the Lions by more when we were clearly dominating and even going back to Rd 1 when we were 50 points up to let St Kilda get back to within 30 or so, shows a lack of ruthlessness to me that in the end cost us finals.  

To me, horror starts against North, Hawthorn and Collinwood (twice) then brain fades against Freo and North are what cost us a finals spot, to me that reeks of bad coaching and leadership.  I haven't heard Jones or Goodwin speak in recent times, but have they taken ownership for these failings as freely as they have expressed their displeasure in Watts?

Edited by Rodney (Balls) Grinter

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, Diamond_Jim said:

spot on G .... it was a horrible season ... hard to believe that with five games to go we were still on track for a possible top 4 spot.

Just unforgivable

And how did that work out for us... oh yes, we choked and finished ninth.

And then like the first bad choke we say all the stuff, then after the second we get the same, then the... well you get the point, we come out and say the usual crud we just heard in the B&F. 

I think I’ve heard Jones say the same point every possible way that you can construct that point with different words.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 hours ago, Tough Kent said:

To those people who are sick of the talk from players/ coaches about bitterness/anger about missing finals, what else would you have them say?

I'm not saying they shouldn't say anything. It's all part of the ritual, I suppose. They can say whatever they want. The losers always do. All I'm saying is that I'm bloody sick of hearing it. I've given up listening. Personally, I'd rather they said nothing at all.  I'd rather they were so worn out from busting their guts trying to win a premiership that they were too exhausted to talk.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, GM11 said:

Because we have no midfield depth.

 

He played two games in a season where our midfield was often missing a number of our better players.

JT does NOT provide us with midfield depth.  Please understand that, it's for your own benefit.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Sport's a funny thing

The attached article describes how the almost unthinkable happened in that the USA failed to make the soccer world cup.

Just change the names and you have MFC.

USA just needed to beat the lowly Trinidad who played some fresh untried players (sounds like Collingwood).

Even if USA lost all would probably be okay because the top team Mexico (Adelaide Crows) were playing the not so good Honduras and then the US would have another chance against Australia. You guessed it Mexico who had already topped the group lost to Honduras and the mighty USA are out !

Just goes to show .... never rely on other teams !!

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/oct/10/usa-trinidad-and-tobago-world-cup-2018-qualifier-soccer

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
9 hours ago, Tough Kent said:

To those people who are sick of the talk from players/ coaches about bitterness/anger about missing finals, what else would you have them say?

I think what is missing for me is clarity. The kind of clearly defined goals that, for example, if they had been given at last years B&F, we could look at the past year and 'well, you were just huffing and puffing' or 'you did everything you said you would but things didn't quite work out'.

I'm a transparency nut. In just about any context. The natural side-effect of believing in the necessity of active government while also being an avid anti-authoritarian.

So, for 'talk at the B&F' to mean something to me it needs to be telling me what they expect to be judged for and how I am going to be able to assess it.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.


  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

  • Social Media

  • Match Previews, Reports & Articles

    THANKS BUT NO THANKS by George on the Outer

    Thanks, but no thanks! In a round where the club was supposed to thank their fans for the support during the year, the Melbourne Football Club chose to do otherwise with a 53 point loss to a team that sat 15th on the ladder.  Don’t give us cheap jumpers that can’t be sold in the Demon shop.  Don’t give us vouchers to shop there, give us something on the field, which is why we come to the football in the first place. It was a disgraceful performance, which started with a disgracefu

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    SLEEP OUT AT THE MCG by The Oracle

    Around about 12 months ago Melbourne and Sydney fought out an epic battle between two top eight teams fighting for the best possible ladder position in the lead up to the finals. The Swans triumphed by 9 points at the MCG after the Demons came back from five goals down at three quarter time. But for its poor kicking for goal, Melbourne might well have won the game and finished in the top four. Who knows what might then have happened for the club in September? As a consequence, the person re

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    A LITTLE RAY OF SUNSHINE by KC from Casey

    Two clubs that have been hard hit by injury recently took part in a dour battle under dark clouds and, with intermittent showers falling, it wasn’t a pretty game at Victoria Park on Sunday. Despite all that, the Casey Demons added a little ray of sunshine to their day to get the job done over a "traditional" rival with a 15 point victory over Collingwood VFL that breathed life back into their season. There were a few highlights at the ground that in past days has seen many titanic batt

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Casey Articles

    THE RETRO ROUND by George on the Outer

    We have seen it all before… Yes, a wonderful idea to showcase what used to be in football.  Big crowds, umpires who knew how to apply the rules and not opinions, high marks, skilful players. But for the Melbourne supporters their retro is what it has been like for the past 10 years. Losing games, end on end, year after year.  Opportunities squandered in front of goal. VFL standard players running around at the MCG. Just more of the same, and the game against Collingwood was no ex

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    THE PEOPLE SPEAK by The Demonland Crew

    Thanks to Demonlanders for their input into this week’s preview. Ralphius Maximus is short and bittersweet: We'll crack in at the bounce to create a contest, win our share of the ball, butcher the forward movement and get scored on easily from the intercepts. Not that hard to predict. Big Demon says: Unfortunately Collingwood will win because they have a lot more to play for. We will be good in parts but really the season is well over so we will have to put up with those bell

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    WHAT, NO BLOOD? by George on the Outer

    The feeling when turning up to the MCG on a Saturday night to play a top four side in Richmond, while the Melbourne sits cemented in close proximity to the bottom of the table is like attending the Colosseum in Ancient Roman times. The expectation is that a bloodbath is about to occur. There are 100,000 Richmond members and 50,000 Melbourne members, and despite the fact that it turned out to be a wet night after half-time, a crowd of only 37K bothered to turn up. That should never have happ

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    A MAN’S ERRAND by KC from Casey

    A young and undermanned Casey Demons were sent out on Saturday to the Swinburne Centre in the shadows of the MCG on a man’s errand against a very experienced Richmond VFL combination which is the clear ladder leader and fielded no less than 18 AFL listed players. It was expected to be a rout and the Tigers made easy work of it in the early stages when they held a 26 point lead by quarter time. To their credit however, the Demons weathered the storm and kept their opponents within the range

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Casey Articles

    THAT’S FOOTBALL by Whispering Jack

    As the season rolls on towards the finals and the football world witnesses the aftermath of the sacking of the league’s unsuccessful coaches, it’s almost  inevitable that the spotlight will turn firmly upon the complete and utter failure of season 2019 - the Melbourne Football Club.  For a team that finished in fourth place last year and was heavily touted as a premiership contender, the fall from grace has been dramatic. As things stand, the Demons look certain to finish 13 places down on

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    THE MOMENT OF TRUTH IS COMING by KC from Casey

    At half time in Sunday’s game at Trevor Barker Beach Oval, things weren’t looking too flash for the flailing finals prospects of the Casey Demons. Key forward Sam Weideman had suffered a concussion in his first contest and, with a few exceptions, the team was playing like a rabble rather than a finals contender. The Demons were 23 points in arrears to the Zebras and their season was headed towards oblivion. It was the skipper Mitch White who spurred his team on by word and by deed - he fini

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Casey Articles

    RIPPING THE HEART OUT by George on the Outer

    And BOG for St. Kilda in last night’s game at Marvel Stadium? It was Melbourne!  This brilliant contributor managed to be the initiator of 13.7 in turnovers for the side, and resulted in a come from behind victory for the mighty Saints. That’s it folks, Melbourne have set a new record for the most turnovers resulting in opposition scores. Despite leading half way through the final quarter (yet again) the Demons managed to right themselves and deliver the ball directly to the opposition

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    AINT THAT A CRYING SHAME by The Oracle

    It’s a crying shame that we happen to be playing against the resurgent St Kilda just as they have managed to overcome a rotten patch of form with an upsurge in momentum resulting from the sacking of its coach and the appointment of a new one.    The Saints had a purple patch at the start of the season winning four of their first five games (including the one against the sloppy and sluggish Demons in Round 5) before collapsing into the sink hole that led to them parting ways with coach Alan

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    RED AND BLUEPRINT 2019 by Whispering Jack

    The rusty red of the McDonnell Ranges and the blue skies above them provided the perfect backdrop that summed up everything about the Melbourne Football Club’s 2019 season. It set out the perfect red and blueprint for the club’s horror year. The club’s previous season was one of great promise but it ended in a calamitous way in Perth with an 11 goal defeat at the hands of the ultimate premiership side, the West Coast Eagles in a game where the Demons’ first goal came early in the third quar

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

×
×
  • Create New...