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Trade Jack Watts or not?  

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Just now, old dee said:

I don't think it hurts for members to give their opinions Wise.

what is the down side?

Conversely, what's the upside? That next time they make a tough decision they'll go 'hold on, remember that email we got?' 

They are welcome to give their opinion, but they are also welcome to look silly while doing so. 

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25 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

It sounds like the move to Adelaide is made easier as his girlfriend lives in Canada.

So we finally have clarity on @Maple Demon's odd interest in our lowly, far-flung aerial volleyball club?

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4 hours ago, Mazer Rackham said:

 

Assuming the club had followed your hypotheticals to the letter: how would the outcome be materially different?

To hypothetically answer your question on my hypothetical suggestions:cool::

The differences:

- we may have got better trade value either pick swap or $ saving.

- Its very rare to hear home truths about one of your own spoken so harshly - our leaders would have come across as being more gracious. 

-It would have been a lot easier for the rank and file members to accept Jack's departure, if they didn't hear our leaders regularly malign him in the last 5/6 weeks. 

Are they 'material'?  I don't know.  Its exceptionally rare for me to criticise a player who wears our colours, even on an anonymous forum such as this.  So I don't like it when our coach, captain and football manager engage in that.  Not nice.

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44 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

Because you are carrying on like a 12yo. Or maybe you are 12 years old.

 

36 minutes ago, Bobby McKenzie said:

With a childish comment like that you must be an 8 year old.

Enough you two, or you'll both be going to bed with no dessert!  :cool:

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33 minutes ago, Skuit said:

In a nut-shell. But as I've maintained while critisising Jack in the past, I don't consider his particular on-field traits as a mental weakness or personality flaw. In his own way, he's probably more well-rounded than the majority of footy-players, supporters, and the general public. But an admirable philosophy on life-work balance doesn't win flags. Potentially deranged individuals like Jack Viney win flags.  

I don't think that's necessarily true, nor is Jack's approach wrong. There are plenty of players with 2 or 3 kids who would consider their family as the no.1 thing in their life and can still manage to give 100% intensity. It's all about the focus and bringing that intensity when required. Unfortunately for Jack, he's never been an aggressive player and for a coach who's asking for a fierce competitor he doesn't fit the bill. He can still be a very useful player in the right team with enough competitive beasts to allow him to add that layer of polish.  

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1 minute ago, Skuit said:

So we finally have clarity on @Maple Demon's odd interest in our lowly, far-flung aerial volleyball club?

Good get!  If so Jack was right, she would keep him on his toes!

She even kept Uncle Bitters, Biffen and a few others in the The No T$ No B$ Thread on their toes!! 

A very good value poster I thought.

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3 minutes ago, Deemented Are Go! said:

 

Enough, or you'll both be going to bed with no dessert!  :cool:

Please don't mention any desserts featuring cream on the top as you'll only make it worse.

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I gazed into my Pink Soup and for the last couple of pages i noticed the clarity of thought. Old Bob stuck around though as is his want. A good man in the trenches. We move onwards, only faster now..........

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47 minutes ago, old dee said:

I don't think it hurts for members to give their opinions Wise.

what is the down side?

Watts the address ! Mahoney Goodwin and co need to be held to acccount ! Lack of performance against 5th in the b&f last year and 6th this year before the hammy leaves a very bitter and upset taste in my mouth against draft pick 31 - oh and we pay some of his salary negotiated a year ago. please !!!! 

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My view:

24 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

- we may have got better trade value either pick swap or $ saving.

I don't see it as we are constrained by the available picks of the suitor clubs. We can't force Port to give (eg) pick 20 if they don't have it. Moreover, they are going to be swayed more by their own assessment of JW than by public utterances of football managers, player managers, and supporters

 

24 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

- Its very rare to hear home truths about one of your own spoken so harshly - our leaders would have come across as being more gracious. 

Yes. On the other hand we are constantly told of the blandness of modern footy-speak. (You have mastered it yourself in your "straight bat" dialogue!) One could mount a case that it was refreshing to hear the unvarnished truth.

I don't see how some more carefully worded utterances would have affected anything except a few less pearls being clutched.

 

25 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

-It would have been a lot easier for the rank and file members to accept Jack's departure, if they didn't hear our leaders regularly maligned him in the last 5/6 weeks. 

I think a lot of the maligning was actually done by our rank and filers who projected more than what was actually said back on to our leaders.

And again, no material difference.

 

By pre-season, everyone's expectations will be re-set, and in the lead up to the season there will be bugger all talk of JW (unless we are looking in diabolical form).

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10 minutes ago, willmoy said:

I gazed into my Pink Soup and for the last couple of pages i noticed the clarity of thought. Old Bob stuck around though as is his want. A good man in the trenches. We move onwards, only faster now..........

Have I introduced you to my mate @grey wolf yet willmoy? I feel like you guys would hit it off for some reason. Unfortunately our other friend @Deeluded was a gateway victim and won't be able to join us I'm afraid.

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1 hour ago, demon-4-life said:

I just want to highlight players that were around before the Roos era who were traded/delisted etc and the outcomes of them since leaving the club.  

2013
Delisted - Tynan, Sellar, Davis, Gillies, Couch, Magner, Stark, Taggert - None playing

2014
Traded - Mitch Clark - Retired, no impact
Delisted - Blease, Strauss, Westrup, Nicholson, Clisby, Georgiou, Tapscott - None Playing

2015
Traded - Jeremy Howe - ok, Toumpas - no impact, Fitzpatrick - no impact
Delisted - Bail, Mckenzie, Riley, Michie - None Playing

2016
Traded - Dunn - ok
Delisted - Grimes, Jones, Terlich, Dawes, Michie, Newton - None Playing

2017
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I would argue of every single trade or delisting has been 100% spot on.  I see Jeremy Howe being the only one that would be in our best 30 players now.  

Am I concerned about Watts leaving and it coming back to bite us?  Not one little bit.  100% trust in this administration.  Could it have been handled better?  Probably.  In my experience, relationship break ups are hard and there are often things said and done that could be done better.  No different here.  But, rest assured, this is better for the MFC.

Hope your right because they need to be held to account. Easy for teachers to blame the pupil -1 hasn't worked that well for Buckley !!!

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57 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Good get!  If so Jack was right, she would keep him on his toes!

She even kept Uncle Bitters, Biffen and a few others in the The No T$ No B$ Thread on their toes!! 

A very good value poster I thought.

Paints a certain picture . . .

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33 minutes ago, Skuit said:

Have I introduced you to my mate @grey wolf yet willmoy? I feel like you guys would hit it off for some reason. Unfortunately our other friend @Deeluded was a gateway victim and won't be able to join us I'm afraid.

O for days gone by

when things went quickly awry

the memories aint

what the pictures paint

but better not to know, i sigh......

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3 minutes ago, willmoy said:

O for days gone by

when things went quickly awry

the memories aint

what the pictures paint

but better not to know, i sigh......

Hey willmoy. What's your favourite flavour from the Daintree Ice Cream Company? I can't get enough of their wattle-seed personally. Or do you prefer that other mob up the road?

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2 minutes ago, Skuit said:

Hey willmoy. What's your favourite flavour from the Daintree Ice Cream Company? I can't get enough of their wattle-seed personally. Or do you prefer that other mob up the road?

Sorry, don't have icecream, but i know you can get Pollywaffles in Tasmania on Ebay.....just saying

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Well what a fantastic result.

Something for everyone for so many different reasons.

Goodwin V Hinckley now looms as an added aside to the actual game.

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