Jump to content

Demonland

Post Match Discussion - Round 23

Recommended Posts

I have stayed away from the keyboard after getting home - concentrating on the red...

I remember Watts lamenting "where are our leaders" in an after game presser some time ago, and I got to thinking: "who has the talent + will to get us over the line


Viney - all the will, and enough talent
Trac - all the talent, and getting the will
Hogan - see Trac
Oliver - see Hogan
Gus - not yet
Jones - nope
Watts - never
Hunt - talent + cares, but limited opportunity
ANB - cares, works hard, but never going to get us over the line
TMac - both, once
OMac - please... I'm trying to be serious
HIbberd - yep, with others up the field
Max - once upon a time
Lewis - in years gone by

And I compare this list (incomplete) to the good teams -  and it's no wonder we don't win. Only rarely can I remember someone from this team getting us over the line - Viney, Tmac once, Max once or twice.

We're not good enough, and the leadership today was beyond bad.
 

 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

12 minutes ago, dees189227 said:

Can someone tell me why the moronic pies supporters kept booing watts? I noticed it more in the 2nd half. Is it because of him kicking the winning goal in queens birthday or does it stem back to when he made his debut and they think he complained or sooked a bit about the treatment he copped? 

 

I think the QB match ended up with Watts in front of the Coll. cheer squad - he gave them a bit, I seem to remember

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
5 hours ago, jnrmac said:

20 min into the first quarter and we laid 2 tackles. 2 [censored] tackles. Frees in the first 5 to 0.

There was the game right there.

That is - I wanna say appalling but it's actually sickening

  • Like 1
  • Angry 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Where was the team that smashed Port and St Kilda in recent weeks? On vacation? 

Next year it is no longer acceptable to just get over the line against teams we should be smashing. We should have smashed Collingwood today. We got beaten because our guys aren't willing to do more than the bare minimum.

Adelaide are basically tanking tomorrow. Season over for us.

 

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, ShaneJ said:

Adelaide are basically tanking tomorrow. Season over for us.

Eagles now even money with the Crows. The bookies always know the dirt before the public does; Sloane being rested?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, drdrake said:

Can someone explain why jack watts seemed to play the second half down back 

did he play?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, ShaneJ said:

Where was the team that smashed Port and St Kilda in recent weeks? On vacation? 

Next year it is no longer acceptable to just get over the line against teams we should be smashing. We should have smashed Collingwood today. We got beaten because our guys aren't willing to do more than the bare minimum.

Adelaide are basically tanking tomorrow. Season over for us.

 

We played exactly as we did against StKilda. We were [censored] that game. Saint were just worse so we got away with it. Some people just chose to overlook it because we got away with the win. The same would have happened today if we snuck home.

Lame game plan that has been figured out just as the Bulldogs was and can stick a tackle which breaks down the whole zone.

We have been rubbish since half time in the Port game. 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

A performance like that will see us get played off the park by 10 goals if we were lucky enough to make it.

Freo, Hawthorn, North, to a lesser extent GWS and now today. These games all had a pattern about them. The other side gets the jump on us 4 or 5 goals up at qtr time, we end up having to kick, punch, scrap, scrounge and claw to get back into it. We end up chasing the game, make a little in-roads and lose by somewhere between 1 to 3 kicks essentially flattering ourselves against some bottom 8 quality opposition. Yes teams drop games, I get that. But when the pattern emerges this many times? 

  • Like 4

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
10 minutes ago, Watts the matter said:

We have been rubbish since half time in the Port game. 

Personally I think the turning point was the Swans game. We haven't looked anywhere near our best ever since the Bugg incident and the culmination of 3 consecutive 6-day breaks. It basically broke us.

  • Like 3

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, SaberFang said:

Personally I think the turning point was the Swans game. We haven't looked anywhere near our best ever since the Bugg incident and the culmination of 3 consecutive 6-day breaks. It basically broke us.

Good teams cope with that < Hey wait a minute!!

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

2 minutes ago, SaberFang said:

Personally I think the turning point was the Swans game. We haven't looked anywhere near our best ever since the Bugg incident and the culmination of 3 consecutive 6-day breaks. It basically broke us.

No, we were definitely good against Port in the opening half. The Swans game though was a massive drop from the previous weeks.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, ShaneJ said:

No, we were definitely good against Port in the opening half. The Swans game though was a massive drop from the previous weeks.

But there's little denying we played our best footy pre-Swans. Obviously the Adelaide match was the best we played all year, but we've really just been limping to the finish line ever since Sydney smashed us.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
38 minutes ago, frankie_d said:

I have stayed away from the keyboard after getting home - concentrating on the red...

I remember Watts lamenting "where are our leaders" in an after game presser some time ago, and I got to thinking: "who has the talent + will to get us over the line


Viney - all the will, and enough talent
Trac - all the talent, and getting the will
Hogan - see Trac
Oliver - see Hogan
Gus - not yet
Jones - nope
Watts - never
Hunt - talent + cares, but limited opportunity
ANB - cares, works hard, but never going to get us over the line
TMac - both, once
OMac - please... I'm trying to be serious
HIbberd - yep, with others up the field
Max - once upon a time
Lewis - in years gone by

And I compare this list (incomplete) to the good teams -  and it's no wonder we don't win. Only rarely can I remember someone from this team getting us over the line - Viney, Tmac once, Max once or twice.

We're not good enough, and the leadership today was beyond bad.
 

 

 

This kid should be given license to do as he pleases, there were multiple times today where he won the ball at half back, took off, had a paddock in front of him and decided to kick after 5 metres to where he thought someone should be.

I just wonder if the game is too technical these days with all the meetings and IPads. 

Is the game plan always in the back of players minds which restricts them from their instincts?  

 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It's now nearly 11pm, and I just want to say I am now at peace with my self.

After more than 50 years following this club I have decided it's not worth the trouble I put my family thru, rearranging activities for my selfish madness following the MFC.Good bye.

  • Like 2
  • Sad 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

who was the [censored] that started that thread during the week about how we've finally made the finals !!? FFS i hope you realize you need to make some kind of sacrifice to remove your curse. 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Yes, the first Q effort (lol) was appalling but are we really good enough.

As some have mentioned, and I agree, we are a middle of the road side and as such we need everything to go our way to win big games. In this competition no one has the luxury of coasting.

A few observations...

TMac; he's going to make mistakes but seriously, taking that kick out was not a mistake. It was ridiculous, and probably against team rules. There is no way Tommy Mac is a designated to take kick outs...taking this kind of action on is one of the things that put Dunn on the outer with the FD. Tom owes big time, needs to cut the arrogance and play within his limitations or go play somewhere else.

Big Max; needs to get off media street and concentrate on his game. At the moment he is in danger of being Jamar 2, one AA and drift off into obscurity. He's got ahead of himself.

Oliver; as I said the other week he is our Selwood/Danger needs some help (got a little from Trac today). Other teams know if they stop Oliver they are on the way against us. More time in the middle for Trac will help.

Has to learn how to get back off the mark quickly when he has to take his kick...his first option is to HB but when he gets forced to kick he takes to long. Another sad thing today, with our problems in defence and contested marking Clarry thought he had to push back into some marking contests he shouldn't have. He took one ripper though and figured he needed to keep at it as his defenders were letting him down.

Salem; does some great things, a lot of skill but...I don't know where he fits, sometimes he looks a million miles behind it. Gets caught out way too often and doesn't seem to read the play well. Stop watching soccer kid and start analysing the game that's paying for your lifestyle...be a pro.

Hunt; the faster he runs, the less his vision & awareness. Really needs to pull that together, he did drop the eyes and hit up some targets today but more often than not runs himself or a teammate into trouble.

Lewis; was ok but really should be his last year. Won't make another 2.

Vince; probably his last year though I'm not as down on him as some are, wasn't our worst.

Tyson; gone backwards the last 2 years.

Pedo; if he's getting a regular game next year we are heading nowhere. Has done a great job but is depth. Weideman must step up, if he can't next year than he's a bust.

On marking and defence, anyone who doesn't think we need Lever hasn't got a clue...

Forget holding on to the players that you love kids, we still need to turn this list over and there are very few safe.

The midfield is Oliver, Trac and Viney. Braysh and some others need to step up, or we need to trade in. Jonesy needs to be used a pinch hitter not the main man anymore.

  • Like 4

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It's been a long season and our style of play depends on high pressure and intensity. The longer the season has gone on the harder it's been to keep this up. Gawn being out of form is not helping, he's possibly playing injured. I'm not making excuses, just observing that we haven't been the team we were when we were firing at the start of the year and I think that's because we are cooked physically.

The ball is transitioning into our defence way to easily and that's due to the lack of pressure up the ground. I'm not a fan of Oscar or Tmac generally but anyone would struggle to cope with the way the ball is coming into our backline at the moment.

If we make finals hopefully we will freshen up. We can only hope to make it now. 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

ahhh mods... why is F. L. O. G. censored !!?  it means to steal something... jesus. DL is almost as soft as the club 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
10 minutes ago, SaberFang said:

But there's little denying we played our best footy pre-Swans. Obviously the Adelaide match was the best we played all year, but we've really just been limping to the finish line ever since Sydney smashed us.

The team's form is way off. I don't know what's happened. I still feel though Collingwood were weak opposition and for us to come out with that first quarter ... I felt like it was 2013.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, rjay said:

 

Oliver; as I said the other week he is our Selwood/Danger needs some help (got a little from Trac today). Other teams know if they stop Oliver they are on the way against us. More time in the middle for Trac will help.

Has to learn how to get back off the mark quickly when he has to take his kick...his first option is to HB but when he gets forced to kick he takes to long. Another sad thing today, with our problems in defence and contested marking Clarry thought he had to push back into some marking contests he shouldn't have. He took one ripper though and figured he needed to keep at it as his defenders were letting him down.

100% agree - opposition are putting a hard tag on him (second season, 20 years old!), and I only saw Trac giving him a chop out. Jones / Tyson / Hannan need to sacrifice their game and look after this bloke a bit.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Just now, ShaneJ said:

The team's form is way off. I don't know what's happened. I still feel though Collingwood were weak opposition and for us to come out with that first quarter ... I felt like it was 2013.

No Pendlebury, Wells, Reid... it had all the stench of the GWS loss. Had a sinking feeling in my stomach all week and it's rarely proven wrong.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

As I get close to pulling the plug on a day full of hope, I remember a kid from school days who had a never say die attitude to life.  He went on to play for the The mighty demons and never ever gave up.  His name Robbie Flower.

Today the MFC again filled its supporters with hope for the millionth time, and again this club failed the test and crawled to the line with a whimper.  There is something wrong with this club, they never seem to get past junior grade exams.  There is a rot of mental blockage and toughness worse than most clubs in the past 20 years.  They just cannot pass their senior exams.  

The club are the worst repeat offenders for failing the test at the final hurdle.

we will see the same nonsense platitudes from the usual suspects at the club.  It means nothing anymore.  Today whatever hope existed is gone..the players had their chance and they blew it up in our collective faces.  

  • Sad 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, Soidee said:

The club are the worst repeat offenders for failing the test at the final hurdle.

we will see the same nonsense platitudes from the usual suspects at the club.  It means nothing anymore.  Today whatever hope existed is gone..the players had their chance and they blew it up in our collective faces.  

Beyond sad because it's so, so true. Succinctly put. I shudder to think what will happen to us the next time we even make a Grand Final (god knows how many decades we'll be waiting). Just another soul-crushing repeat of 2000?

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
20 minutes ago, doc roet said:

It's now nearly 11pm, and I just want to say I am now at peace with my self.

After more than 50 years following this club I have decided it's not worth the trouble I put my family thru, rearranging activities for my selfish madness following the MFC.Good bye.

Mate grow up, bugger 50 years of watching, if you've watched the last few weeks this performance was nothing new,

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

We are almost there, we have the best CEO (Peter jackson) in the league, he will not let this continue, we will again turn players over in the off season, our VFL side is humming along,

we are not far off being a power house in the AFL, :D

  • Like 4
  • Love 1
  • Shocked 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.


  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

  • Social Media

  • Match Previews, Reports & Articles

    BACK IN STYLE by Whispering Jack

    From the moment when the Elton John character in the movie “Rocketman” burst into its opening scene dressed as a flamboyant demon on his way to an addiction rehabilitation session, the game was on. Here was yet another film about a person gifted with a meteoric rise to stardom finding coke, booze and a hedonistic lifestyle that led directly to a destructive crash into the abyss. Ultimately, these stories end in total disaster (“A Star is Born”, “Bohemian Rhapsody”, “Judy”) but this one resulted

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Special Features

    THE TRADING CHRONICLES 2019

    PART ONE - OVERTURE  I have a disclaimer at the outset. I’m not a fan of the races - be they horses or motors of any kind. Once the final siren sounds on the football season, I find the month or so that follows and corresponds roughly with the Spring Racing Carnival to be the most boring time of the year for sports fans. You turn on the radio and you’re confronted by the monotonous drone of a self-proclaimed racing expert or by the nasally twang of an ex-jockey banging on about the equine p

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Special Features 8

    CHANGES 2019 by The Oracle

    PART 1 - IT’S A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED THIS TIME This year’s free agency, trade and draft period will see the usual drama and upheaval as the AFL’s 18 clubs seek to better their lists in order to challenge for finals and possibly premiership honours. Long before the final siren sounded on the season just over a week ago, the maneuvering was under way with player agents and clubs discussing possible player movements and in some cases, deals had already been done.  Yesterday, the r

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Special Features 1

    HOW FAR SOUTH? by George on the Outer

    It was appropriate that Melbourne was playing its last game of season 2019 in Hobart.  After all, how much further south could the team go? And much as it has done in many of the previous 22 games, the side managed to extract a loss from a winning position by simply giving the ball back to the opposition time and time again. In fact, they gave it back to the opposition to the tune of 53 points from turnovers while, by way of contrast North Melbourne contributed  only 17 points to their oppo

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    COOKED by The Oracle

    I can vividly remember when the Demons ventured onto Blundstone Arena for the first time in early 2016 only to lose to the Kangaroos by 20.11.131 to 21.10.136.    Melbourne was then a team on the up and up: young, enthusiastic and bold. It gave up a huge quarter time deficit after kicking against a strong wind but made that up by half time and fell dramatically short after an exciting high scoring affair.  The team lost no fans that day - they were willing to take the game on and attac

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    HELP by KC rom Casey

    The Casey Demons finished off their home and away season against Frankston at Skybus Stadium on Sunday with a narrow, unconvincing 6-point victory that left the door slightly open for a top eight berth when the VFL finals begin in a fortnight’s time. While sunny skies prevailed over Frankston in the morning, the skies became overcast by noon and heavy waves pounded the bay nearby as the rains came in to greet the players as the game started. And conditions stayed dark and dreary for the rem

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Casey Articles

    THANKS BUT NO THANKS by George on the Outer

    Thanks, but no thanks! In a round where the club was supposed to thank their fans for the support during the year, the Melbourne Football Club chose to do otherwise with a 53 point loss to a team that sat 15th on the ladder.  Don’t give us cheap jumpers that can’t be sold in the Demon shop.  Don’t give us vouchers to shop there, give us something on the field, which is why we come to the football in the first place. It was a disgraceful performance, which started with a disgracefu

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    SLEEP OUT AT THE MCG by The Oracle

    Around about 12 months ago Melbourne and Sydney fought out an epic battle between two top eight teams fighting for the best possible ladder position in the lead up to the finals. The Swans triumphed by 9 points at the MCG after the Demons came back from five goals down at three quarter time. But for its poor kicking for goal, Melbourne might well have won the game and finished in the top four. Who knows what might then have happened for the club in September? As a consequence, the person re

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    A LITTLE RAY OF SUNSHINE by KC from Casey

    Two clubs that have been hard hit by injury recently took part in a dour battle under dark clouds and, with intermittent showers falling, it wasn’t a pretty game at Victoria Park on Sunday. Despite all that, the Casey Demons added a little ray of sunshine to their day to get the job done over a "traditional" rival with a 15 point victory over Collingwood VFL that breathed life back into their season. There were a few highlights at the ground that in past days has seen many titanic batt

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Casey Articles

    THE RETRO ROUND by George on the Outer

    We have seen it all before… Yes, a wonderful idea to showcase what used to be in football.  Big crowds, umpires who knew how to apply the rules and not opinions, high marks, skilful players. But for the Melbourne supporters their retro is what it has been like for the past 10 years. Losing games, end on end, year after year.  Opportunities squandered in front of goal. VFL standard players running around at the MCG. Just more of the same, and the game against Collingwood was no ex

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    THE PEOPLE SPEAK by The Demonland Crew

    Thanks to Demonlanders for their input into this week’s preview. Ralphius Maximus is short and bittersweet: We'll crack in at the bounce to create a contest, win our share of the ball, butcher the forward movement and get scored on easily from the intercepts. Not that hard to predict. Big Demon says: Unfortunately Collingwood will win because they have a lot more to play for. We will be good in parts but really the season is well over so we will have to put up with those bell

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    WHAT, NO BLOOD? by George on the Outer

    The feeling when turning up to the MCG on a Saturday night to play a top four side in Richmond, while the Melbourne sits cemented in close proximity to the bottom of the table is like attending the Colosseum in Ancient Roman times. The expectation is that a bloodbath is about to occur. There are 100,000 Richmond members and 50,000 Melbourne members, and despite the fact that it turned out to be a wet night after half-time, a crowd of only 37K bothered to turn up. That should never have happ

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

×
×
  • Create New...