Post Match Discussion - Round 23

[chook fowler 19,264]

My rage is more inflamed this morning especially about that first quarter. How dare they dish out such a pathetic, insipid effort given what was at stake. There should be some burning ears and sore backsides today. I can't remember demonland and supporters in general being this angry since the days of Neeld. Maybe this will be the lightbulb moment that brings about change.

[beelzebub 23,200]

3 minutes ago, chook fowler said:

My rage is more inflamed this morning especially about that first quarter. How dare they dish out such a pathetic, insipid effort given what was at stake. There should be some burning ears and sore backsides today. I can't remember demonland and supporters in general being this angry since the days of Neeld. Maybe this will be the lightbulb moment that brings about change.

Doubt it.

Finals for the offering.

Insipid response.

Same ol same ol.

[KLV 1,761]

I'm also still pretty angry. I even dreamt last night about the Adelaide wce game today. How sad is that?

meanwhile the flag out the front is at half mast, my husband lowered it in anticipation of my mood upon returning from the game!

[jnrmac 19,905]

4 hours ago, DemonOX said:

Well after a great nights sleep I have come up with our NEW 2018 Membership slogan:

The MFC NEVER FAILS TO DISAPPOINT.  

I reckon that sums it up nicely. 

#NEVER FAILS TO DISAPPOINT. 

We could re-write the lyrics to that INXS song.....

[BenJamin on Deesy St 805]

Watching the train wreck unfold with my kids yesterday, the 7-year-old insightfully commented early on, "Daddy, it's unfair, Collingwood have more players on the ground than Melbourne."

What really disappointed me yesterday was our lack of work AND awareness in our defensive transition, that 5 second period immediately after conceding possession to the opposition. We were just poor in this part of the game, especially early.

The Pies continually had a spare man 20-30m ahead of the ball in transition, which then started an inevitable chain of uncontested possessions, as a Dees player, usually defender, left his own man to put pressure on the ball-carrier.

This, together with the general malaise in tackling and pressure, baffling umpiring decisions, bounce of the ball and our players seemingly overawed and anxious, made for a truly [censored] and sickening afternoon.

Go the Crows!!

[beelzebub 23,200]

Not to be glib, nor smarty farty but somewhere much earlier before the game i wrote this ( on another thread ) that this would all be about the first 10 mins ( and that the Filth would bring it )

Why am i not surprised at the result.

Team poorly prepared imho.

[John Crow Batty 8,786]

Just now, beelzebub said:

Not to be glib, nor smarty farty but somewhere much earlier before the game i wrote this ( on another thread ) that this would all be about the first 10 mins ( and that the Filth would bring it )

Why am i not surprised at the result.

Team poorly prepared imho.

As you say. Talk about being MIA. I was wishing hard that the siren could end the first quarter at the 20 minute mark. It was obvious then we were blowing the game and it was lost at quarter time.

[beelzebub 23,200]

What really plssed me off ( though laughed at his gall ) was despite sitting between two inlaws ..both barracking for Pies...i had another text me ( whilst cruising the med ) to thank me for donating to his wine collection. ( Std bet ) 

Thing was that was just 15 mins into the game lol

Cheeky sod....but they were right.

Im a MELBOURNE muggings again ?

[JTR 2,842]

I think we're cooked for this season, and almost want WCE to get up today. 

Think I would rather that, than falling over the line and being embarrassed next week.

[At the break of Gawn 4,419]

Not sure if any one watched league teams on Thursday night, but Ben Dixon predicted this would happen and was the only one who tipped the pies. He showed vision of how leaky our defence was against the Lions and said the Pies ball movement will cut through us and our defence will just resemble "Swiss cheese". 

Typically, some of the vision was of Max Gawn and how slow he was getting to man up their big men drifting forward.

[Soidee 1,496]

30 minutes ago, chook fowler said:

My rage is more inflamed this morning especially about that first quarter. How dare they dish out such a pathetic, insipid effort given what was at stake. There should be some burning ears and sore backsides today. I can't remember demonland and supporters in general being this angry since the days of Neeld. Maybe this will be the lightbulb moment that brings about change.

My question is, how many light bulb moments does one team need?  They can faaark off for mine!  I'm seething with anger at this club.  Another whole pre season and hard work ahead with the usual platitudes to get us members to re- sign.  Stuff them and their lame efforts!

[beelzebub 23,200]

2 minutes ago, JTR said:

I think we're cooked for this season, and almost want WCE to get up today. 

Think I would rather that, than falling over the line and being embarrassed next week.

Hard to disagree.

Might instill true hunger.

Shouldn't fall in like this. What does that teach ?

[Little Richard 6,216]

Don't think I've ever been as nervous about a non-MFC game as I am today. But I think that even if the Crows get up and we make finals, I'll still feel a little hollow.

[Dockett 32 1,237]

6 minutes ago, At the break of Gawn said:

Not sure if any one watched league teams on Thursday night, but Ben Dixon predicted this would happen and was the only one who tipped the pies. He showed vision of how leaky our defence was against the Lions and said the Pies ball movement will cut through us and our defence will just resemble "Swiss cheese". 

Typically, some of the vision was of Max Gawn and how slow he was getting to man up their big men drifting forward.

Our ruck division contribution  has been below average this season. Do we have a plan now that it is to be further weakened by Spencer's likely movement?

Casboult might be handy.

[John Crow Batty 8,786]

12 minutes ago, At the break of Gawn said:

Not sure if any one watched league teams on Thursday night, but Ben Dixon predicted this would happen and was the only one who tipped the pies. He showed vision of how leaky our defence was against the Lions and said the Pies ball movement will cut through us and our defence will just resemble "Swiss cheese". 

Typically, some of the vision was of Max Gawn and how slow he was getting to man up their big men drifting forward.

We should hire Dixon as backline coach.

[McQueen 17,864]

33 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Not to be glib, nor smarty farty but somewhere much earlier before the game i wrote this ( on another thread ) that this would all be about the first 10 mins ( and that the Filth would bring it )

Why am i not surprised at the result.

Team poorly prepared imho.

"Success, is at the point where preparation meets opportunity."

[Dee Zephyr 19,171]

Atrocious first quarter, missed chances in the second and what peeved me most after that was when we got within 8 points 15 minutes into the last we allowed the Pies the next four scoring shots and didn't register a score ourselves until the end.

You would think we had all the momentum at that stage and for no one to step up in the latter part of the game was very disappointing.

T Mac was forward in the second half but how did he end up at full back taking a kick in and hitting Cox lace out?

The coaches have a lot to answer for in terms of the structures yesterday. What the f%#k were they doing all week?

Im just sick of the s**t they keep spinning to us after insipid performances like that.

[Macca 16,643]

A club wanting to play finals and contend properly needs more than 5 - 7 players all having high-impact seasons.  Whether it be through form or injury,  that's about the number of players who we've got who played well all season.

A good player will play well in 4 out of 5 games or at least 3 out of 4.  So, it's entirely possible for a club with so few good players to turn in performances such as what we saw yesterday.

Oliver,  Jones,  Hibberd,  T-Mac,  Jetta & maybe Hunt & Lewis have been good this season but those who might have or should have had better seasons haven't performed up to standard for various reasons - Watts,  Salem,  Garlett,  Gawn,  Hogan,  Viney & Tyson) 

Injuries are a factor of course but realities are realities.  Our other, younger players are developing so the expectations should be tempered (Petracca,  Brayshaw,  Oscar et al)

And a number of the listed good players that we do have can have off-days on the same day.  That's what happened yesterday.   But there was no excuse for that diabolical first quarter yesterday.  We sat back.

The short answer is that we're just not that good and we need an injection of talent and pace around the ground.  The list is a long way off premiership standard but is still capable of winning 10-12 games. 

Stating the obvious? Yes.

[jackaub 1,402]

2 hours ago, beelzebub said:

Yep the wise among us got to the bar before the first bounce

I was there after 11 minutes 

I had as  sense of what was going to happen

[jnrmac 19,905]

My notes from watching the replay; 

No frees, 7 marks to Col in their fwd 50 and 3 tackles by Melb with 5m to go in qtr.

Melb v Coll 1st qtr

Tyson 2 Turn Overs 1st minute 

18:05 to go,  Garlett 2min misses snap

17;00 Maynard has his 5th possession, kick into top of GoalSq  We fail to spoil goal Philips

16:48 Tyson 3rd T/O

16:17 Jones hospital H/B pedo streaming into goal Ball up

16:00 Maynard 6th poss

15:30 Transition out of Melb defence  chinese checkers No melb runners running back goal coll Daicos 

13:51 Vince tackled gets HB OOB deemed deliberatee

13:55 Melb rebound from Gawn mark stream fwd Lewis HB T/O to Hosk-Ell to Grundy mark 40m out. goal

Coll ctr clearance

11:60 Salem kick frm def 50 t/o Elliott shot on goal

11:20 Jetta kick out mark to Grundy pass to Daicos hits post

CPs 20 to 12, all 3 goals are coast to coast

12:50 kick in OOB at 50m line At the contest are 3 on 1 to Coll

9:40 Watts centering kick from members wing to ANB HB chain to Harmes & Petracca Goal (3g 3b to 1g 1b)

Melb Centre clearance, into 50m watts free against

8:43 Jones kick from Half Back under pressure Howe speccy mark. Kicks into GS Elliott who marks over OMac. goal

Coll centre clearance Sidebottom to Grundy mark on 50m line hits post

Hibberd kick out ball moves to HF Howe marks again switches kick to Kirby shot from 50m. Goal sq pack, forced over for 1pt

5:53 Hibberd kick out

Tackle count 3 with 5:34 to go in quarter!!!

5:05 Watts marks at HF outer side Sidebottom goes well over mark no 50m. Petracca roves in fwd pocket, kicks pt

Coll kick in, transition members wing 4 marks in a row

4:02 Ball kicked to 50m line free against Omac for illegal disp (ump cound’t see HB) Ball to Goal sq Hunt spoils fwd Sidebottom roves and goals.

Centre cl. Coll moves ball fwd to outer wing Hunt running at ball, ball bounces off shins to Coll player, Hunt misses follow up tackle

3:00 Melbourne regain, transition accross to Members wing Poor kick from Jetta to Vince, poor kick to TMac fumble turnover

2:14 Ball in members wing Coll HB chain into fwd 50 Broomhead goal No Melbourne players running back

2:11 Centre Clearance Brayshaw, Hannan kicks deep into 50 Free against Pedo

1:44 Tyson mark members wing kick to fwd 50. Misses target, pack forms Clear throw by Darcy Moore when tackled. Not paid (30m out from goal)

0:58 Coll clear to outer flank Kirby caught with ball turns 360 deg no free

0.25 Coll transition around memebers wing. Siren

Qtr time stats

[jnrmac 19,905]

1 hour ago, At the break of Gawn said:

Not sure if any one watched league teams on Thursday night, but Ben Dixon predicted this would happen and was the only one who tipped the pies. He showed vision of how leaky our defence was against the Lions and said the Pies ball movement will cut through us and our defence will just resemble "Swiss cheese". 

Typically, some of the vision was of Max Gawn and how slow he was getting to man up their big men drifting forward.

But I am told on here we don't have a leaky defence? I am told repeatedly its our naughty midfielders.

The fact that Coll had 7 marks inside 50 during the first quarter and they had tall man grundy and  Cox killing us was oh so predictable given we get smashed by Daniher, ben Brown, Kennedy, Buddy etc.

Our tall backs are terrible.

[Demonsone 1,957]

Tackles 51 vs 70 sums it up!

Tom Mac x1

Oscar Macx0

Hibbered x 0

Peddersonx 0

Tyson x 1

three tackles between 3 of our defenders..  disgraceful & pathetic when you consider your wanting to play finals 

Edited August 27, 2017 by Hogan2014

[rufus 1,050]

14 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

Really?  Do you really think for one second that success means nothing to this group?  Don't be so ridiculous.

It's fair to analyse where their heads were at from the opening bounce, as we clearly lacked the requisite intensity, but to suggest they don't want success is just plain silly.  Was it down to expectation?  Nerves?  Whatever it was, it needs to be addressed, but what you suggest is totally wrong.

 

 

I remember reading on Demonland last year that someone had claimed to have a conversation with one of our players late in the season, and they had said they don't care about making the finals. They felt they had achieved enough out of the season and it wasn't a big deal. IF true, that to me says a lot about the care factor. Finals last year would have been huge for our CLUB. Finals this year would have made a huge impact on our brand and I believe it also adds bargaining power when trying to lure players to the club. And this is all ignoring what it might have actually meant to the individuals who have  continued to show support over many lean years.

At ground level, we didn't want to win as much as Brisbane did in the first half of last week. You could see at the start of the 3rd our intensity was markedly higher. How the actual F can that happen 2 weeks in a row when in a position of opportunity like we were? Would that happen at many other clubs?

Last year, the shoe was on the other foot in that we entered the last round with nothing to play for. And yep, we rolled over for a tidy triple figure flogging...

Whether we like it or not, clubs like Collingwood hold higher expectations of their playing group then the MFC do...

[Redleg 40,219]

1 hour ago, Luther said:

Don't think I've ever been as nervous about a non-MFC game as I am today. But I think that even if the Crows get up and we make finals, I'll still feel a little hollow.

I will accept the hollow feeling gratefully. 

[beelzebub 23,200]

41 minutes ago, Hogan2014 said:

Tackles 51 vs 70 sums it up!

Tom Mac x1

Oscar Macx0

Hibbered x 0

Peddersonx 0

Tyson x 1

three tackles between 3 of our defenders..  disgraceful & pathetic when you consider your wanting to play finals 

Pathetic indeed.