Trade rumours

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Freo rep (missed his name, maybe a player manager haha will confirm) saying ballic deal will get done in next 12 -24 hrs for a late pick.

JW deal holding things up 

Edited October 17, 2017 by Unleash Hell

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30 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

ok... but if that were true you would still expect the number of trades to remain relatively constant across the board in the sense that at any one time there will always be teams at the various evolutionary points.

Still does not really explain the absence of trades this year. Also if you accept that this year is a "shallow" draft you would expect a higher number of trades as teams try to compensate for the lack of talent in the second round etc

I think that's a different point to what you seemed to be making.

However, to answer this point, it may just be the evolution of FA and with the increase in the CBA, players may be happier to stay at their current club. Hence, less trades and movement.

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Was Matt Bain On trade radio from stride sports.

Ballic will be traded to dees

Confirmed Hogan not going anywhere. Sorry @ding haha

Was looking forward to some rumors 

Edited October 17, 2017 by Unleash Hell

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19 minutes ago, Unleash Hell said:

Freo rep (missed his name, maybe a player manager haha will confirm) saying ballic deal will get done in next 12 -24 hrs for a late pick.

JW deal holding things up 

I had thought this too, but I'm not sure the deals are connected and unless we're asking Watts' suitors for two picks (in order to give a later pick to Freo for Balic), Watts' deal shouldn't factor into the hold up.

I think it's more likely that whatever else is brewing is holding up the Balic deal.

Edited October 17, 2017 by A F

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In fairness to watts bain said the dees were waiting to see what later picks they had for Ballic.

But expects Ballic to be a Demon within 24hrs 

Edited October 17, 2017 by Unleash Hell
I really should be working haha

[beelzebub 22,225]

I think some folk need to understand and distinguish between the idea that the JW trade might be delaying things...and JW delaying things.

Its now at that silly stage of dominoes. A lot of clubs Actually on pretty much same page...just different corners. Not expecting much before about 10 tomorrow now....unless a 'balancing' trade falters...or signed off in next 2-3 hours. ( And that's not JW btw )

Fun isn't it lol

[binman 37,724]

5 trades so far!

If the rumors of North Korea using trade radio as a tool of torture are true let hope that for the sake of all things sacred they don't use a recording of this years'edition!

[binman 37,724]

1 hour ago, Redleg said:

More clubs wanting to use their draft picks on kids.

If true it suggests that perhaps this draft isn't as weak as many have predicted. 

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20 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

some much older lists needing to get some kiddies in..some lists struggling as past picks unable to muster the coin needed to make the trades worth.

A few chooks coming home to roost.  Combine that with some clubs better at trading than others...some clubs trade..some really dont ( much ).

There's , as usual ,  one or three trades holding up everything also.

it's a marketplace...some days better than others

True. Some other reasons perhaps:

Trading future round picks makes things a little quieter the next year. Destination clubs like Hawt and Geel did that last year.

Collingwood are normally busy also but are rethinking their mature recruiting strategy after White, Lynch, Mayne, Wells etc.

20% increase in salary means that players are perhaps more content and extra coin from other clubs is a little less important now.

Fewer decent free agents on the market and big guns like Martin and Kelly signing before hand.

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4 minutes ago, binman said:

If true it suggests that perhaps this draft isn't as weak as many have predicted. 

Might also be that clubs won't swap players they normally would for picks in a shallow draft

[beelzebub 22,225]

Trade week:

The application of Chicken and Egg dichotomy towards shopping lists

[Sir Why You Little 34,405]

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/10/17/how-blues-bizarre-trade-is-haunting-them/

Interesting read

 

Carlscum in a never ending circle ⭕️ 

[Jaded No More 57,583]

Can we stop this Hogan nonsense now?!

 

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15 minutes ago, binman said:

5 trades so far!

If the rumors of North Korea using trade radio as a tool of torture are true let hope that for the sake of all things sacred they don't use a recording of this years'edition!

Quality, binman.

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1 minute ago, Jaded said:

Can we stop this Hogan nonsense now?!

 

It will never stop Jaded, as long as he is in the red and blue.

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1 hour ago, Diamond_Jim said:

contrary to the collective wisdom on the Jake Lever where the "experts" kept telling everyone that a player beats a speculative draft pick any day of the week.

Only so many Jack Levers !! etc

The wisdom of trading for talentv(known ) as against speculative drafting is surely dependent on your needs, available players, and ability to get them.

The proverb...bird in hand etc often holds up.

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21 minutes ago, Demons1858 said:

True. Some other reasons perhaps:

Trading future round picks makes things a little quieter the next year. Destination clubs like Hawt and Geel did that last year.

Collingwood are normally busy also but are rethinking their mature recruiting strategy after White, Lynch, Mayne, Wells etc.

20% increase in salary means that players are perhaps more content and extra coin from other clubs is a little less important now.

Fewer decent free agents on the market and big guns like Martin and Kelly signing before hand.

There are not that many highly rated academy or father son players so less of pick rorting trades.

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Of course,

In 2016 Richmond were the clear overall w'winners' of the trade period, picking up three players who all made important contributions to their premiership run. Runner-up, despite limited activity, must be Melbourne who secured the best player of the trade period, for a late 20s pick. And Jordan Lewis for nothing much.

At this point, we've also got the best player available in the 2017 trade period.

As for the 'value for picks' debate on Lever, we'll never know really, but it is worth considering that of all the picks in the second half of round 1 of any draft in the last five years, the best players are:

Patrick Cripps, Isaac Heeney (Acad), Jake Lever, and, um, Brodie Grundy?

I guess the question is, would you give up two picks in a given range of the draft, if it guaranteed you the best player available in that range?

In fact, it is not even every year that a player of Lever's quality appears in the late first round of the draft.

I'm feeling much more comfortable about the trade now.

 

 

 

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53 minutes ago, binman said:

5 trades so far!

If the rumors of North Korea using trade radio as a tool of torture are true let hope that for the sake of all things sacred they don't use a recording of this years'edition!

It's no wonder as to why the Victorian Government have chosen this week to vote on the legalisation of voluntary euthanasia. 

Edited October 17, 2017 by Beetle

[Grapeviney 8,808]

You know it's been a slow trade period when the most exciting business so far has been the Lisa Wilkinson move to channel 10.

[Mach5 4,482]

Pick upgrade a definite possibility.

We have 29, Port gives us 31 for Watts...

Points equivalent to pick 13, so no benefit for dealing with WestCoast.

Richmond to use points on Naish, would probably give up 15 for the 2. They also have 17.

 

[Redleg 37,447]

6 minutes ago, Grapeviney said:

You know it's been a slow trade period when the most exciting business so far has been the Lisa Wilkinson move to channel 10.

One or two first rounders.

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18 minutes ago, Mach5 said:

Pick upgrade a definite possibility.

We have 29, Port gives us 31 for Watts...

Points equivalent to pick 13, so no benefit for dealing with WestCoast.

Richmond to use points on Naish, would probably give up 15 for the 2. They also have 17.

 

Surely this is what we've been working on since the Lever trade...

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18 minutes ago, Grapeviney said:

You know it's been a slow trade period when the most exciting business so far has been the Lisa Wilkinson move to channel 10.

Have a thing for Lisa. Suspect I'm not the only one