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2 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Thanks The Donald

You're fired!

You're a really bad dude.

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39 minutes ago, Wrecker45 said:

I don't agree with the nickname and don't condone racismt. I believe everyone has something offensive that could be said to them

i treat all people equally. Do you think skin colour can entitle people to offence?

No-one is entitled to be offended. Offence is always taken not given.

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1 minute ago, daisycutter said:

didn't realise the gat had a garden, moonie

More like a beer garden DC.

Moslty empties.

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1 hour ago, Little Goffy said:

Well, I didn't realise he was given the nickname 'Chimp' at Collingwood. Say what you like about Lumumba being a bit pretentious and precious, but that is f'n awful.

I mean this is pretty basic stuff, not complicated. Even Collingwood people should be able to get that far.

There is  also another article:

Heritier Lumumba says he was accused of throwing Collingwood president Eddie McGuire 'under the bus'

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/afl/afl-news/heritier-lumumba-says-he-was-accused-of-throwing-collingwood-president-eddie-mcguire-under-the-bus-20170818-gxz433.html

 

From reading it ealier this morning, it relates to Lumumba publicly calling out Eddie over the Goodes incident.  Now with the knowledge of this previous 'chimp' nickname issue, it is fully understandable how and why Lumumba would have reacted.  

There is nothing casual about racism.

 

That all said, anyone who throes Eddie under a bus has my support.

 

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On another note, whilst I don't nessasrily disagree with some of Lumumba's claims and attacks on racism, there were some ways in which I recon he built a rod for his own back and brought trouble on himself:

It became something of a sport among the football fraternity to make light of Lumumba's passionate stand on his own identity, his private demons and his stand against racism in which he was often accused of becoming blinded by political correctness.

Probably this happened from the time he changed his name from Harry O'Brien back to his birth name and underlined by his farewell speech to the Magpies at the 2014 Copeland presentation, when he told the assembled that his given name Heritier meant prince. "The one who will have the last laugh and the one who is gifted." He finished fourth in the best and fairest that season.

 

It certainly doesn't excuse racism, but Australian culture doesn't react well to this kind of behavior of people having tickets on themselves/elitist behavior and I don't think there is anything wrong with that as it emphasises humility and equality amounst peers that Australian's do generally like to hold up as a quintessential part of our culture.  Lumumba certainly wouldn't have endeared himself to anyone with this kind of behavior.  Conversely it does also expose somewhat of a hypocracy in Australian culture, that we don't like anyone to view themselves as above others, yet many are also prepared to excuse and tolerate racisim.

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1 hour ago, jnrmac said:

No-one is entitled to be offended. Offence is always taken not given.

So I can take offence to anything? And therefore I'm entitled too?

i find your post offensive. Mods can you please delete it.

of course there is an entitlement too offence.

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1 hour ago, jnrmac said:

Why would that be an issue?

He wasn't indigenous. He was Brazilian. Is he some advocate for 'affirmative' action hiring policies? 

Not sure on his motivations, just that it was his complaint. Here is the section from the article

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The documentary does not cover his time at Melbourne but he says now it rankled him that at this club, too, there was not one Indigenous staffer based at the MCG office nor any Indigenous coaches.
"I did not see one person of colour in their administration and in my career I've never once had an Indigenous coach. The AFL loves to boast about its wonderful Indigenous talent so why aren't their talents being fine-tuned for coaching?
"You tell me Leon Davis couldn't teach footballers. He taught me things about football no one else could teach. Why was that never harnessed?"
Lumumba said his return to Melbourne in the coming days will see him deal with "unfinished business". Having spoken previously of his battle with depression he has now rejected alcohol and prescription drugs as a way to alleviate stress – a well-worn path presented to him and which he has seen others take. He meditates daily, has transformed his diet, is in a relationship with an American woman he does not wish to detail and is in a far better place than during his final year of football.

I've always been of the opinion that we should hire the best candidate for the job. If our indigenous players would be more comfortable have an indigenous member on the staff, then I guess that makes an indigenous candidate the best for the job.

As for the Leon Davis comment, H seems to imply that Leon wanted to coach but no-one gave him a shot. I was of the understanding that Leon wanted to go home to Perth, and wasn't interested in staying involved in the AFL.

Will be interested to see if anything comes out of this "unfinished business"

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5 minutes ago, Vandenberger With The Lot said:

Not sure on his motivations, just that it was his complaint. Here is the section from the article

I've always been of the opinion that we should hire the best candidate for the job. If our indigenous players would be more comfortable have an indigenous member on the staff, then I guess that makes an indigenous candidate the best for the job.

As for the Leon Davis comment, H seems to imply that Leon wanted to coach but no-one gave him a shot. I was of the understanding that Leon wanted to go home to Perth, and wasn't interested in staying involved in the AFL.

Will be interested to see if anything comes out of this "unfinished business"

Isn't Matty Wheelan now actually employed by the MFC?  I actually thought it occurred during H's time at the club as well.  I actually think H is going off a little half cooked here as again I think the club has treated it's indigenous stars pretty well and encouraged them to make a contribution to the club's culture when they reach a point of maturity to do so, i.e Arron Davey, Matty Wheelan, Nev Jetta and even Garlett have all been well embraced and reconized as making important leadership contributions to the club.

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Glad to hear H is in a great place at the moment.

in my opinion he was a borderline delusional psycho.

Unfortunately our list is one man short due to his petulance.

I wish him luck stamping out evil whitey and smashing the patriarchy.

Fight the Power H!!

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Be interesting to know how the Melbourne players took to H when he arrived. 

His delusions of self granduer would be hard to take on a daily basis regardless of skin colour, that said, for him to be nick named "Chimp" whilst up the road is abhorrent and goes a long way in explaining why McGuire showed us his true colours a few years ago concerning Adam Goodes

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Good lord, DL's dark web has leaked onto the main board. Predicatably given rhe topic.

Can't wait for the inevitable pc police comments. After all it is tough being a white middle aged, middle class australian and being told their views are out of step with what is acceptable in 2017. 

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1 hour ago, binman said:

Good lord, DL's dark web has leaked onto the main board. Predicatably given rhe topic.

Can't wait for the inevitable pc police comments. After all it is tough being a white middle aged, middle class australian and being told their views are out of step with what is acceptable in 2017. 

Everybody is entitled to their views, it is having them rammed down my throat that I object to, or the whining that if you don't agree you are being PC

H was different, patently not allowed in Australia, so we need to immediately denigrate, it takes balls to tread an individual path in life.

You only have to read some of the topics as the pack senses weakness in a poster and goes for the kill, I am speaking from personal experience of course, but as I regard this forum as nothing but trivial entertainment ( this topic being an exception) it has no impact on me, anonymous keyboard warriors are what the name suggests

I have been here over 40 years and knew from the first week that Australian culture includes a healthy dose of racism, to all races who are not your classic Aussie as described above

He was respected by the other players for his on field achievements, he tended to keep to himself off field, but that occurs at every club as a player matures and develops interests away from the game, family, business etc

 

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