Casey Demons v Coburg

[Lampers 563]

2 hours ago, demonoid said:

Can anyone tell me what maynards disposal is like? Does he use it well? Pace? Get the feeling he will debut soon and would like to get an idea of what to expect. 

I didn't see today's game, but the TV game against Box Hill I watched closely. Sample of one.

To me Maynard was great in close due to his size and aggression. He's very strongly built, not quite Petracca size but not far off, and while not Viney aggressive certainly no shrinking violet.

His kicking however was terrible. Dribblers and shanks more often than good ones. So I don't mean Harmes or ANB style OK off the boot but a poor decision or spin nicely but miss the target, I mean ones that I'd be disappointed if I did that kick.

So unless he had an off day for his kicking, which he well may have, I think he's got the physical and attitudal attributes but potentially not the foot skills to make it. I hope I'm wrong.

Perhaps with Goodwin's handball happy game plan a few with poorer foot skills can secure a spot but I would've thought when Jones, Viney and Tyson were all out that would've been the time it made sense, less so when they are all back in from next week.

[dee-tox 4,835]

6 hours ago, Lampers said:

 

To me Maynard was great in close due to his size and aggression. He's very strongly built, not quite Petracca size but not far off, and while not Viney aggressive certainly no shrinking violet.

His kicking however was terrible. Dribblers and shanks more often than good ones. So I don't mean Harmes or ANB style OK off the boot but a poor decision or spin nicely but miss the target, I mean ones that I'd be disappointed if I did that kick.

So unless he had an off day for his kicking, which he well may have, I think he's got the physical and attitudal attributes but potentially not the foot skills to make it. I hope I'm wrong.

 

This is the knock on his brother as well.

[hells bells 2,023]

14 hours ago, Drunkn167 said:

Did a little ruck work early in the season but none since King/Spencer has been back, always got killed.

Depends on the team they play, but he does a bit of both staying at home and roaming up the ground, hard to pick between the two 

Hey Drunkn167 did Joel Smith play? Haven't seen him mentioned anywhere.

[Glenn Molloy 494]

9 hours ago, dee-tox said:

This is the knock on his brother as well.

His brother is a booming kick, not always accurate but it's more decision making with his brother.  Takes some atrocious options, case in point with about 5 mins to go yesterday when he broke beautifully from the back pocket and then kicked to the wrong option.

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

21 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Weid needs to show something for a few consecutive weeks. 

Remember that coburg is last on the ladder.

Plus they don't have an AFL affiliation.

[DeeSpencer 26,518]

15 hours ago, Lampers said:

I didn't see today's game, but the TV game against Box Hill I watched closely. Sample of one.

To me Maynard was great in close due to his size and aggression. He's very strongly built, not quite Petracca size but not far off, and while not Viney aggressive certainly no shrinking violet.

His kicking however was terrible. Dribblers and shanks more often than good ones. So I don't mean Harmes or ANB style OK off the boot but a poor decision or spin nicely but miss the target, I mean ones that I'd be disappointed if I did that kick.

So unless he had an off day for his kicking, which he well may have, I think he's got the physical and attitudal attributes but potentially not the foot skills to make it. I hope I'm wrong.

Perhaps with Goodwin's handball happy game plan a few with poorer foot skills can secure a spot but I would've thought when Jones, Viney and Tyson were all out that would've been the time it made sense, less so when they are all back in from next week.

Kicking and game sense will be the concern, but no doubt he's got the ball winning, aggression and athleticism to be a very good AFL stoppage player. I think the issue with giving him a debut a few weeks ago was that he wasn't quite at his best after missing a couple of weeks with concussion a month or so before that. He seems to have gone to another level in the last few weeks if the match reports are any guide.

I'm not sure there's much point in giving him a debut if he's to play half forward. That won't suit him. But if he's thrown the challenge of going on ball I think he's worth a go. The biggest question might be whether he's got the tank to play AFL midfield especially given Oliver, Petracca etc aren't great runners either, same with an underdone Viney who surely couldn't be covering the same km's as at full fitness.

[DubDee 26,433]

Great to see Dion make some significant progress this year.  He is built for a young fella, and quick.  From reports it sounds like his effort and tackling is great and now he is starting to kick a goal or two.  We need a small pressure fwd so it will be great to see how he goes over the preseason

With Jones and Vince back, you'd think Maynard is little chance. 

How did Pedo go or did he not play?  selection will be interesting this week for sure

[KC from Casey 7,157]

To Hells Bells who asked about Joel Smith - no he didn't play.

Team stats for the game 

Angus Brayshaw 1 behind 12 kicks 12 handballs 24 disposals 4 marks 3 tackles 84 dream team points 
Liam Hulett 4 kicks 5 handballs 9 disposals 2 marks 4 tackles 44 dream team points
Dion Johnstone 2 goals 7 kicks 3 handballs 10 disposals 3 marks 8 tackles 68 dream team points 
Declan Keilty 7 kicks 1 handballs 8 disposals 4 marks 35 dream team points 
Ben Kennedy 6 kicks 2 handballs 8 disposals 6 tackles 43 dream team points
Mitch King 1 goal 1 behind 6 kicks 3 handballs 9 disposals 5 marks 16 hit outs 60 dream team points
Corey Maynard 1 goal 2 behinds 15 kicks 12 handballs 27 disposals 7 marks 7 tackles 127 dream team points
Cam Pedersen 1 goal 11 kicks 3 handballs 14 disposals 5 marks 6 tackles 83 dream team points
Jake Spencer 10 kicks 6 handballs 16 disposals 2 marks 4 tackles 43 hit outs dream team points
Billy Stretch 14 kicks 11 handballs 25 disposals 4 marks 13 tackles 125 dream team points
Josh Wagner 1 behind 15 kicks 8 handballs 23 disposals 5 tackles 77 dream team points
Sam Weideman 3 goals 3 behinds 9 kicks 12 handballs 21 disposals 8 marks 97 dream team points

[Demonland 73,916]

BURGERS MINCED by KC from Casey

 

The Casey Demons struggled for most of the day to shake off a resolute Coburg outfit on a bleak day at Casey Fields in what could best be described as a scrappy encounter. 

 

The Demons looked to be the better side in the opening quarter but they simply could not find the goals and, as often happens in these circumstances, it was the Lions who broke through for their first score - a goal at the 25 minute mark of the term and they went to a three point lead at quarter time. 

 

Casey looked slow and lethargic entering the second term and they conceded two goals to go to a 14 point deficit before Cam Pedersen scored their first goal midway through the quarter. The home team slowly fought back with goals to Aloysio Ferreira and a late one to Mitch King on half time to put them back in front. 

 

The slog continued in the second half with first Casey then Coburg holding the ascendancy until another late goal gave the home side the lead. After that it all turned around with Casey playing sensational football to boot seven of the eight final quarter goals. They dominated the end game and by the time it was over they had doubled  the Lions' score. 

 

The Lions were courageous and bold but  the Demons were fitter and faster and had the dominant tall forward on the ground, namely Sam Weideman who thrust his name before the faces of the Melbourne selectors who are searching for a replacement for the injured Jesse Hogan. Best of the on ballers was recently uplifted rookie Corey Maynard while Angus Brayshaw is not putting a foot wrong after returning from his concussion issues.

 

The Demons are seventh on the ladder and must win against Sandringham this Sunday to keep the premiership dream alive.

 

Peter Jackson VFL 2017

 

Casey Demons 0.4.4 3.8.26 5.11.41 12.14.86 

 

Coburg 1.1.7 3.3.31 5.5.35 6.7.43

 

Goals

 

Casey Demons Weideman 3 Ferreira Johnstone 2 Fritsch King Maynard Munro Pedersen 

 

Coburg Kerbatieh Posar 2 Karpany McEvoy

 

Best

 

Casey Demons Maynard Weideman Brayshaw Keilty Gent Spencer

 

Coburg Exon Hunt Posar Mellington Iacobaccio Conn

 

Statistics 

 

Angus Brayshaw 1 behind 12 kicks 12 handballs 24 disposals 4 marks 3 tackles 84 dream team points 

Liam Hulett 4 kicks 5 handballs 9 disposals 2 marks 4 tackles 44 dream team points

Dion Johnstone 2 goals 7 kicks 3 handballs 10 disposals 3 marks 8 tackles 68 dream team points 

Declan Keilty 7 kicks 1 handballs 8 disposals 4 marks 35 dream team points 

Ben Kennedy 6 kicks 2 handballs 8 disposals 6 tackles 43 dream team points

Mitch King 1 goal 1 behind 6 kicks 3 handballs 9 disposals 5 marks 16 hit outs 60 dream team points

Corey Maynard 1 goal 2 behinds 15 kicks 12 handballs 27 disposals 7 marks 7 tackles 127 dream team points

Cam Pedersen 1 goal 11 kicks 3 handballs 14 disposals 5 marks 6 tackles 83 dream team points

Jake Spencer 10 kicks 6 handballs 16 disposals 2 marks 4 tackles 43 hit outs dream team points

Billy Stretch 14 kicks 11 handballs 25 disposals 4 marks 13 tackles 125 dream team points

Josh Wagner 1 behind 15 kicks 8 handballs 23 disposals 5 tackles 77 dream team points

Sam Weideman 3 goals 3 behinds 9 kicks 12 handballs 21 disposals 8 marks 97 dream team points

 

The Development League team remains on track to compete in the last season of this competition. It had 31 scoring shots to 12 but Coburg's accuracy only gave them a 39 point win for all of their dominance.

 

AFL Vic Development League 2017

 

Casey Demons 4.4.28 6.8.44 10.14.74 15.16.106 

 

Coburg 1.0.6 4.0.24 6.1.37 11.1.67

 

Goals

 

Casey Demons Lefau 4 Allsop Gardiner Lok 2 Byers Cox Di Pasquale  Dwyer Machaya

 

Coburg Barton Dodge 3 Curtis Romios 2 Mioni 

 

Best

 

Casey Demons Byers Dwyer Hillard Gains Lefau Johnston

 

Coburg Merlo Lawlor Dodge Rambaldi Cannolo Mioni

[grazman 7,537]

I was wondering if Billy had played as I'd hardly seen him mentioned.  Looks like from the stats at least he had a reasonable game.  13 Tackles would indicate that his work rate at least was there.

[Watts the matter 1,235]

1 hour ago, KC from Casey said:

To Hells Bells who asked about Joel Smith - no he didn't play.

Team stats for the game 

Angus Brayshaw 1 behind 12 kicks 12 handballs 24 disposals 4 marks 3 tackles 84 dream team points 
Liam Hulett 4 kicks 5 handballs 9 disposals 2 marks 4 tackles 44 dream team points
Dion Johnstone 2 goals 7 kicks 3 handballs 10 disposals 3 marks 8 tackles 68 dream team points 
Declan Keilty 7 kicks 1 handballs 8 disposals 4 marks 35 dream team points 
Ben Kennedy 6 kicks 2 handballs 8 disposals 6 tackles 43 dream team points
Mitch King 1 goal 1 behind 6 kicks 3 handballs 9 disposals 5 marks 16 hit outs 60 dream team points
Corey Maynard 1 goal 2 behinds 15 kicks 12 handballs 27 disposals 7 marks 7 tackles 127 dream team points
Cam Pedersen 1 goal 11 kicks 3 handballs 14 disposals 5 marks 6 tackles 83 dream team points
Jake Spencer 10 kicks 6 handballs 16 disposals 2 marks 4 tackles 43 hit outs dream team points
Billy Stretch 14 kicks 11 handballs 25 disposals 4 marks 13 tackles 125 dream team points
Josh Wagner 1 behind 15 kicks 8 handballs 23 disposals 5 tackles 77 dream team points
Sam Weideman 3 goals 3 behinds 9 kicks 12 handballs 21 disposals 8 marks 97 dream team points

Weideman zero tackles?

[whatwhat say what 23,661]

How did Stretch not get in the best players?

[FireInTheBennelly 4,104]

After being named as an emergency last week, surely Maynard has bashed the door down? Even with Jones and Vince coming back in. 13 tackles for Stretch is impressive as well, he must be getting closer. What was the knock on him, defensive pressure or clearances? It's a shame those stats don't mention clearances.

[poita 3,929]

16 hours ago, Watts the matter said:

Weideman zero tackles?

I don't think he can be selected at senior level until he fixes this part of his game. Clearly he's not going to get 21 possessions and 8 marks at AFL level, so he needs to show that he can contribute in other ways.

Ben Kennedy 8 possessions? I'd be paying out his contract at year end.

[Nasher 33,617]

Weideman is a key forward - his main mode of contest should be aerially. It's pretty hard to lay a tackle when you're 4 feet in the air flying for the ball.

That's not to say he's exempt from tackling or there's not room for improvement, just that I'd never expect huge numbers. 2 a game would put him up there with the likes of Tex Walker.

[chook fowler 19,744]

1 minute ago, Nasher said:

Weideman is a key forward - his main mode of contest should be aerially. It's pretty hard to lay a tackle when you're 4 feet in the air flying for the ball.

That's not to say he's exempt from tackling or there's not room for improvement, just that I'd never expect huge numbers. 2 a game would put him up there with the likes of Tex Walker.

I seem to remember a game earlier in the year with the firsts where his main contribution was tackling and forward pressure 

[Bates Mate 4,511]

Yep laid some rippers against adelaide without having much of the ball that night he had good impact in that game

[Vogon Poetry 2,095]

2 hours ago, poita said:

I don't think he can be selected at senior level until he fixes this part of his game.

Better drop Hibberd then, 13 tackles for the season.

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

Is there anywhere anyone can find footage of Weed's screamer?

[DubDee 26,433]

Pedo not in form, you'd have to bring the Weid in. not exactly knocking the door down by 3.3 and 21 touches is a good day out and we dont need a 2nd ruck with T Mac up there so less reason for Pedo

[Watts the matter 1,235]

28 minutes ago, DubDee said:

Pedo not in form, you'd have to bring the Weid in. not exactly knocking the door down by 3.3 and 21 touches is a good day out and we dont need a 2nd ruck with T Mac up there so less reason for Pedo

I'll take the 6 tackles and pressure of Pederson.

Weideman was a liability late last season and has not earned the right to get back in. It's great that he is taking the marks at VFL but I doubt this will translate to the AFL at this stage of his career. Considering he has poor agility and pressure (1 game aside), I hope we don't take the risk.

Edit: I'd be just as happy to go in small and play with an extra runner, but it really is a struggle to find another player worthy of a game.

Edited August 1, 2017 by Watts the matter