POST MATCH DISCUSSION - Round 16

[sue 9,102]

Good grief Dunstall - some of these commentators must be so short of things to say they just make fools of themselves.  

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

1 hour ago, Luther said:

If you're on facebook and haven't followed the page 'Nuffies on AFL pages' you're missing out.

The one about the Melbourne supporter who mistook the Michael Jordan meme as being something racist about Oliver was the best.

We have our fair share of nuffies.

Edited July 11, 2017 by Clint Bizkit

[P-man 13,366]

18 minutes ago, Vagg said:

Jason Dunstall had a little rant last night about this.  Reckoned that, as ANB had taken his 30 seconds before dishing off to Lewis, that Lewis should not have been allowed another 30 seconds.  Was moaning that it was blatant abuse of the rules to run down the clock, and that the Carlton supporters would not have liked it!!

Thankfully, Browny got stuck into him and told him he was being a complete Boof Head, and that what ANB & Lewis did was smart play, using the rules to their advantage.

I usually think Jason has some good things to say.  But that was just dumb!  Could have mistaken him for just another pathetic Blues supporter!

I also don't mind Dunstall but I couldn't believe what was coming out of his mouth. Brown was spot on. The onus is on the defending side to man up. I can't recall the last fime we saw a similar occurrence because teams do exactly that. They man up.

Dunstall was sounding very archaic trying to claim it was against the spirit of the game. It was clever play. End of story.

[jnrmac 20,060]

5 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Lewis ducked, it was the right call

Commentators agree with me. Just sayin...

[Lucifers Hero 39,758]

While players have 30 seconds, if umpires think they are running down the clock they can call play on before the 30 seconds is up.  It was pretty obvious what ANB and Lewis were doing but we got away with it. 

It would take a brave umpire to call play-on in such a tight game in the last minute but I think they will be be reminded of the rule at their weekly meetings. 

That aside it was a delight to hear the siren.  That is 3 recent games we have won from being aware and clever in the last minutes of play.

Edit:  part in itallics.

Edited July 11, 2017 by Lucifer's Hero

[Vagg 2,439]

5 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

While players have 30 seconds, if umpires think they are running down the clock they can call play on.  It was pretty obvious what ANB and Lewis were doing but we got away with it. 

 

Very true!  And, I think Jordie alluded to this in his Press Conference yesterday.  Said he was keeping an eye on the count down clock and also the Umpie.  Said he was reasonably confident he'd be okay, as the Umpie also was watching the clock.  But, he said, he made sure he went well back from the man on the mark, just in case the Umpie called "play on".  So, Jordie was well aware of the Umpie's right to call play on if he deemed it to be deliberate play on.  It was, effectively, a gamble on Jordie's part, but a shrewd one that paid off.  Well done, Jordie!

[Dr. Gonzo 24,214]

59 minutes ago, Vagg said:

Jason Dunstall had a little rant last night about this.  Reckoned that, as ANB had taken his 30 seconds before dishing off to Lewis, that Lewis should not have been allowed another 30 seconds.  Was moaning that it was blatant abuse of the rules to run down the clock, and that the Carlton supporters would not have liked it!!

Thankfully, Browny got stuck into him and told him he was being a complete Boof Head, and that what ANB & Lewis did was smart play, using the rules to their advantage.

I usually think Jason has some good things to say.  But that was just dumb!  Could have mistaken him for just another pathetic Blues supporter!

As Brown said Carlton should've manned him up. No need to stuff around with the rules even more.

[monoccular 17,427]

5 hours ago, Petraccattack said:

The 'brave Blues' had a more experienced team than us on the weekend, both in average age and average games played.

Yet still couldn't beat us with 5 of our stars out.

 

2 hours ago, stevethemanjordan said:

Remind who the 5th star is?

2, 3, 4, 7, (10), 12

1 hour ago, Vagg said:

Jason Dunstall had a little rant last night about this.  Reckoned that, as ANB had taken his 30 seconds before dishing off to Lewis, that Lewis should not have been allowed another 30 seconds.  Was moaning that it was blatant abuse of the rules to run down the clock, and that the Carlton supporters would not have liked it!!

Thankfully, Browny got stuck into him and told him he was being a complete Boof Head, and that what ANB & Lewis did was smart play, using the rules to their advantage.

I usually think Jason has some good things to say.  But that was just dumb!  Could have mistaken him for just another pathetic Blues supporter!

Like Simon Eishold all those years ago, ANB certainly never looked as if he wanted to take the shot at goal, but in this. case cooler heads prevailed.

That was good use (not abuse) of a rule.  I guess Knee Jerk Gil will make a change asap - of course only to be implemented very selectively.

Edited July 11, 2017 by monoccular

[daisycutter 29,613]

1 hour ago, Vagg said:

Jason Dunstall had a little rant last night about this.  Reckoned that, as ANB had taken his 30 seconds before dishing off to Lewis, that Lewis should not have been allowed another 30 seconds.  Was moaning that it was blatant abuse of the rules to run down the clock, and that the Carlton supporters would not have liked it!!

Thankfully, Browny got stuck into him and told him he was being a complete Boof Head, and that what ANB & Lewis did was smart play, using the rules to their advantage.

I usually think Jason has some good things to say.  But that was just dumb!  Could have mistaken him for just another pathetic Blues supporter!

just shows how dumb carlscum were for not spotting up lewis

if you want to blame anyone that's who should wear it

[KysaiahMessiah 725]

1 hour ago, Vagg said:

Jason Dunstall had a little rant last night about this.  Reckoned that, as ANB had taken his 30 seconds before dishing off to Lewis, that Lewis should not have been allowed another 30 seconds.  Was moaning that it was blatant abuse of the rules to run down the clock, and that the Carlton supporters would not have liked it!!

Thankfully, Browny got stuck into him and told him he was being a complete Boof Head, and that what ANB & Lewis did was smart play, using the rules to their advantage.

I usually think Jason has some good things to say.  But that was just dumb!  Could have mistaken him for just another pathetic Blues supporter!

If it was Like Hodge it would have been "footy smarts". Just like Riewoldt calling for the ball and winning a 50m penalty was "footy smarts". They don't like us and where we are heading......but I don't mind at all ?

[Bay Riffin 1,474]

29 minutes ago, Vagg said:

Very true!  And, I think Jordie alluded to this in his Press Conference yesterday.  Said he was keeping an eye on the count down clock and also the Umpie.  Said he was reasonably confident he'd be okay, as the Umpie also was watching the clock.  But, he said, he made sure he went well back from the man on the mark, just in case the Umpie called "play on".  So, Jordie was well aware of the Umpie's right to call play on if he deemed it to be deliberate play on.  It was, effectively, a gamble on Jordie's part, but a shrewd one that paid off.  Well done, Jordie!

there was no gamble. it was safe as houses, unless an umpire wants to not follow the rules of the game.

 

An easy change to stop this would be to allow one shot on goal, and if passed to a marking player, they are deemed marks in general play and you get the standard 7 seconds, meaning you can compose yourself a little bit, but you have to move it on.

[Nasher 33,615]

1 hour ago, Vagg said:

Jason Dunstall had a little rant last night about this.  Reckoned that, as ANB had taken his 30 seconds before dishing off to Lewis, that Lewis should not have been allowed another 30 seconds.  Was moaning that it was blatant abuse of the rules to run down the clock, and that the Carlton supporters would not have liked it!!

Thankfully, Browny got stuck into him and told him he was being a complete Boof Head, and that what ANB & Lewis did was smart play, using the rules to their advantage.

I usually think Jason has some good things to say.  But that was just dumb!  Could have mistaken him for just another pathetic Blues supporter!

Heaps of Carlton supporters have been moaning about this too. How about just manning up, Carlton? That would have forced ANB to have the shot. It's not our fault, or the fault of the rules, that your players weren't concentrating.

[dieter 3,325]

19 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

They are the kings of getting heaps of the footy and doing Jack with it, not to mention their game style being horrible to watch. 

So true. It matters sweet f all to have possession for most of the game if you're not scoring and your opponent is.

[Vagg 2,439]

3 minutes ago, Bay Riffin said:

there was no gamble. it was safe as houses, unless an umpire wants to not follow the rules of the game.

Hmm.  Not sure about that BR.  From Jordie's Presser, I got the clear implication from him that he thought there was a chance the Umps would, indeed, deem the ploy to be blatant time wasting and hence give him a hurry along.  That's why he backed further away from the man on the mark than he'd usually do as insurance, just in case the Umpie called "play on"...

[Engorged Onion 10,215]

6 minutes ago, Nasher said:

Heaps of Carlton supporters have been moaning about this too. How about just manning up, Carlton? That would have forced ANB to have the shot. It's not our fault, or the fault of the rules, that your players weren't concentrating.

Mmmm, but that wouldn't suit the narrative that Bolton is a genius coach.

Sometimes its not what you know, it's who you blow...

[DaveyJones'sLocker 647]

6 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Lewis ducked, it was the right call

Your allowed to attempt to evade a tackler. He didn't duck front on into the tackle trying to draw high contact so it was actually the wrong call. (Although Lewis was too slow had two easy options in front of him )

Edited July 11, 2017 by DaveyJones'sLocker

[Willmoy1947 4,085]

1 hour ago, Vagg said:

Jason Dunstall had a little rant last night about this.  Reckoned that, as ANB had taken his 30 seconds before dishing off to Lewis, that Lewis should not have been allowed another 30 seconds.  Was moaning that it was blatant abuse of the rules to run down the clock, and that the Carlton supporters would not have liked it!!

Thankfully, Browny got stuck into him and told him he was being a complete Boof Head, and that what ANB & Lewis did was smart play, using the rules to their advantage.

I usually think Jason has some good things to say.  But that was just dumb!  Could have mistaken him for just another pathetic Blues supporter!

Yes, i heard that as well. Wouldn't be surprised to hear "play on" now if at that sort of time into the last couple of minutes, someone does the same thing.

[DaveyJones'sLocker 647]

Elliot did the exact same thing as ANB in the Collingwood game took his 30'second then spotted up a player 20 m closer to goal, no mention of anything wrong there just because there wasn't 1 min left.

loved how Gibbs was lining up for goal in the 3rd quarter made such an effort to use his whole 30 he didn't take his eye of the scoreboard, of course he missed the shot.

 

 

Edited July 11, 2017 by DaveyJones'sLocker

[daisycutter 29,613]

just watching again that play where carlscum got the ball over the back and jetta/frost just cleaned it up, it got me thinking we should really have had another spare player back to give us a numerical advantage. it very nearly cost us the game. jetta was great but kudos to frost for backing him up and that run past of frosty to just evade the tackler was worthy of praise too 

[SaberFang 7,151]

3 hours ago, willmoy said:

Perhaps if "someone" wasn't on the bloody phone for the last two minutes of the contest he might have been able to see the FACT that Lewis, the Carlton Nemesis was by himself.

That was bizarre. He continued to sit there on the phone as Lewis counted down the game. What brilliant strategical move was he planning to make at that point?

Given his proximity to the players, you'd think he could've instructed his players to man up.

Maybe he was ordering dinner?

[Dante 2,739]

1 hour ago, Bay Riffin said:

there was no gamble. it was safe as houses, unless an umpire wants to not follow the rules of the game.

 

An easy change to stop this would be to allow one shot on goal, and if passed to a marking player, they are deemed marks in general play and you get the standard 7 seconds, meaning you can compose yourself a little bit, but you have to move it on.

Then it becomes arbitrary, if a player miskicks the ball and a teammate marks it 20 metres out, does he get the 30 or 7 seconds. It could be a pack mark in the goal square or a mark in the opposite pocket of it's a kick across goal, who decides which it is and on what basis.  Imagine if a player in a grand final marks the miskick and is winded and the umpire deems it to be a 7 seconder and he has to play on without the time to steady.

 

[Vagg 2,439]

1 minute ago, Dante said:

Then it becomes arbitrary, if a player miskicks the ball and a teammate marks it 20 metres out, does he get the 30 or 7 seconds. It could be a pack mark in the goal square or a mark in the opposite pocket of it's a kick across goal, who decides which it is and on what basis.  Imagine if a player in a grand final marks the miskick and is winded and the umpire deems it to be a 7 seconder and he has to play on without the time to steady.

 

Agree totally, Dante.  Only logical solution is to leave the rule as it is.  If players are smart enough to occasionally use it to their advantage, good luck to them...!

[Jaded No More 68,913]

2 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

While players have 30 seconds, if umpires think they are running down the clock they can call play on before the 30 seconds is up.  It was pretty obvious what ANB and Lewis were doing but we got away with it. 

It would take a brave umpire to call play-on in such a tight game in the last minute but I think they will be be reminded of the rule at their weekly meetings. 

That aside it was a delight to hear the siren.  That is 3 recent games we have won from being aware and clever in the last minutes of play.

Edit:  part in itallics.

I didn't think it was obvious at all what they were doing.

ANB looked set to take the kick, so much so that nobody bothered manning up Lewis.

I didn't see it coming and neither did most people at the ground. For all the umps knew, Lewis was telling ANB to settle and take the kick. 

It's not until you see it close up on TV and you can see him peering around that you think he might pass it off. 

[jnrmac 20,060]

Jets in the AFL team of the week  and..

 

The fans' pick

NICK RIEWOLDT (St Kilda): Slotted three goals and shut out Richmond backman Alex Rance to edge Demon Tom McDonald with 57 per cent of the Twitter fan vote.

[Nasher 33,615]

Wonder what @A F thought of the game? Not like him not to get involved on the argy bargy. No activity since Saturday in fact.