POST MATCH DISCUSSION - Round 15

[Deestar9 1,636]

11 minutes ago, low flying Robbo said:

maybe in the fourth?

Pretty sure first when he was needed.....near the boundary

[chook fowler 19,459]

3 minutes ago, dees189227 said:

No they shouldnt. Good on them for putting Buggy on the front foot and they probably wanted him to do it so he could be seen to be remorseful. If just hid him away then he'd be hassled at training by the media where he'd probably wouldn't say much. What Bugg did was just stupid and no need for it. Make him accountable for his actions. 

Didn't seem that remorseful to me - sounded as if he was told what to say. But it was the right thing to do.

[Deestar9 1,636]

Just now, Deestar9 said:

Pretty sure first when he was needed.....near the boundary

"Kneed" 

[picket fence 17,181]

Mitch White? Well I got it wrong with Mitch White, gee he turned it over time and again, unfortunately not up to it. 

Billy Stretch? failed to go when it was his turn at one stage last night and had no presence whatsoever a boy in a mans game 

Jack Viney? Plantar Facia problems Gee Sorry all, but they have a problem of lingering ( It could be a two month layoff if severe enough maybe more , iwont say season ending yet!) 

Bugg? probably out 4-6 

Wagner? see White 

 ANB ? Been saying it for a while not up to it

Harmes Has a big head attitude

So  5 outs! Not unreasonable given my evaluation Inns  Hogan, Watts, Ben Ken, Weeds and maybe just maybe Trengove! Garlett will also be in if fit!

Edited June 30, 2017 by picket fence

[chook fowler 19,459]

It was a good time for Lewis and Vince to step up - but they didn't. Lewis in particular did a Werribee and was going through the motions.

[beelzebub 23,380]

cattle are running thin

[The heart beats true 18,128]

If you look at the season as blocks of games, which Goodwin says they do, then we just went through the most difficult 18 days of footy  we face for the season and came out with 3 wins.

The outs are hard to judge as we just looked exhausted from the first siren. I suspect a month ago the plan for this week and last was to rotate 2 new players in each game for fresh legs, but that went out the window with 6 of our best 10 players injured - and even just copping 2 new injuries a game over the passed 3 weeks killed any chance to refresh with players knocking down the door.

Injuries are an issue, but they are also a really good chance to see what we have. JKH will come in now, and will be expected to repay the contract faith. Kent and Kennedy deserve a shot.

Positives: Oscar is looking fantastic, and I thought Frosty tried his hardest and at least makes opposition clubs think about him since his pace is such a weapon. Jetta has been great for 3 years.

[picket fence 17,181]

Positives: Oscar is looking fantastic, and I thought Frosty tried his hardest and at least makes opposition clubs think about him since his pace is such a weapon. Jetta has been great for 3 years.

Agree 100% Both Mc s were fantastic, Frosty as well. Nev great!

[DistrACTION Jackson 8,772]

2 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Positives: Oscar is looking fantastic, and I thought Frosty tried his hardest and at least makes opposition clubs think about him since his pace is such a weapon. Jetta has been great for 3 years.

Agree 100% Both Mc s were fantastic, Frosty as well. Nev great!

How good will it be to have Watts, Hogan and Pedo forward and then have Oscar, Frost and Tmac back?

Hopefully that happens this year!

[DistrACTION Jackson 8,772]

Thought Maxy Gawn has really struggled his first two games back.

Missing a lot of marks he would usually take.

Not concerned as I'm sure he is just a bit rusty, but something I've noticed.

[Little Richard 6,265]

1 hour ago, Biffen said:

Sydney are a team of scraggers.

They scragged harder, and got away with more terrible footy and rugby.

Umps were gay for Sydney.

B team for us

Move on.

We had some pretty questionable frees go our way too. The umps were poor full stop, and certainly contributed to making it an ugly display of footy.

[Dee Zephyr 19,267]

1 hour ago, Robot Devil said:

 

It was clear that Sydney targeted Max as well.

Did anyone else see the incident where he was kneed in the guts or nuts in a rucking contest early on?

Happened right in front of me and looked a deliberate action.

Will be interesting to see if the MRP look at that one.

 

Saw the hit as well, looked like Max got hit in the lower rib section or close to his manhood. He was in disbelief he didn't get a free in that ruck contest, whilst grimacing in pain on the ground he was looking at the ump with a "are you bloody serious mate" look on his face. 

Edited July 1, 2017 by Demon77

[leave it to deever 17,511]

11 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Positives: Oscar is looking fantastic, and I thought Frosty tried his hardest and at least makes opposition clubs think about him since his pace is such a weapon. Jetta has been great for 3 years.

Agree 100% Both Mc s were fantastic, Frosty as well. Nev great!

Omac is the story of the year. For some reason I always thought he'd be a good player but not this quickly. Without your trio we would have been really smashed.

Our midfield was MIA not solely due to Viney and I have discovered that Lewis is very inconsistent. He was so much better at Hawthorn. Many did look really sluggish and tired so who knows. Tackles wouldn't stick.

Harmes cant kick to save himself. Hes as bad as Bugg who is no longer an issue. The latter sold his mates down the river when they have so many injuries. The club should double his suspension. I know injuries happen but I recon Max is still not his old self and having your top 3 goal kickers out with both captains is very, very unlucky. (not to mention the odds of Brayshaws 4 concussions).

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 6,704]

8 hours ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

WTF, what a load of BS

When we were winning all these blokes looked the goods and we're kicking goals metaphorically (and literally).  Pretty tough call to single out these guys when 3/4s of our side looked spent and lathargic tonight.  Oliver had a [censored] night, perhaps he's a VFL player also.  Gawn was ok, but still not hitting his A game (with good reason).

If anything, I thought Harmes and Melksham were a few that actually showed a bit of energy and drive tonight.  Yes Harms missed a soda early in the second half, but that's hardly what lost us the game tonight (not to mention the clutch goal he kicked last week to keep us in the game in the fourth).  Let's not forget that a number of those you list are still essentially developing players who have continued to improve and pretty much all normally fearlessly and relentlessly attack the contest, hunting the ball and the opposition and take on the gamr in a manner that our game plan/style which has been so successful over the previous four weeks demands.

I'm quite prepared to put this game down to 3 X 6 day breaks, No Watts, Garlett, Jones (& Pactically Viney) and comming up against the other form side in the comp who are at close to peak fittness/personal.  Even then, we hardly discraced ourselves.  If next week's game is a disaster, the things would look more ominous for some, but let's wait and see there, so far this year we have been pretty good at backing up after a loss.

AFL Scheduling has put us in this position, find me a club that has this grueling draw disgrace I hope Ox, KB and all the media identities jump all over this because this was not a fair representation of the body of work we have produced this year. What Gets me is they put us up against a well rested and experienced outfit not even sydney could cope with one 6 day break against Essendon but its ok that Melbourne have three 6 day breaks in a row this can not be allowed to happen again. Shame on the AFL have destroyed our top 4 hopes and hanging on to top 8 by a thread.

[red and blue forever 1,035]

where did we put that lid?

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1 hour ago, Deemented Are Go! said:

What a dim world view. Let's talk again in 8 weeks. 

I hope we win all eight.

[Deemented Are Go! 3,684]

12 minutes ago, Diamond said:

I hope we win all eight.

We all are!

But to bring in the grim reaper and say we'll only win 1 more for the year is way OTT. Cheer up mate, we've done remarkably well in this patch with the injuries. Plenty of upside to look forward too.

[Dee Zephyr 19,267]

17 minutes ago, Win4theAges said:

AFL Scheduling has put us in this position, find me a club that has this grueling draw disgrace I hope Ox, KB and all the media identities jump all over this because this was not a fair representation of the body of work we have produced this year. What Gets me is they put us up against a well rested and experienced outfit not even sydney could cope with one 6 day break against Essendon but its ok that Melbourne have three 6 day breaks in a row this can not be allowed to happen again. Shame on the AFL have destroyed our top 4 hopes and hanging on to top 8 by a thread.

The more I think about it, the more it irks me. 

Apart from GWS and we know the talent pool they have been gifted, no other team would have gone close to the Swans last night under these circumstances. In saying that I don't think GWS have gone through a patch like we have anyway. 

Our players are dropping like flies and from what I read, our training loads have been minimised to compensate for this tough month. 

Now, I sit comfortably in saying, that for the first time  ever I couldn't care less if players last night went in half hearted or without the required effort. Enough is enough and the boys have been exceptional with winning 3 from the last 4.

I don't blame one single person from the MFC last night for the loss and even if Trengove, JKH, Weed or Kent had played,   the result would be exactly the same.

[bringbackthebiff 654]

11 hours ago, Rusty Nails said:

We had two of our best contested out of the match for either a half and the whole game.

We had a 2nd game back, no match fitness, Big Maxy who was spent by half time.

Wags a turnover King playing in the position where Hunt should have played.  Coaching error.

White simply not up to this level right now.

T-Mac spending too much time in the ruck....see Big Maxy issue above.

Clarry, probably our best contested inside player this year, spending the first 15 min on the bench??  Handing the contested momentum to Sydney early.   Another coaching error.

No genuine small forward. 

Our best ball user, JW, sidelined.

A 3rd match with a six day turnaround, probably resulting in many of the youngsters being out of the contest for much of the night.

Take absolutely no notice of this match.

If we get Watts, Jones, Jeffy, Hogan, Salem and Viney back the next time we meet, we will pummel this mob.

The only thing standing in our road to success from here are injuries.

 

 

 

 

 

No probs with this and I reckon we are tracking very nicely. Just reckon they are the standard for contested footy over a very long period - what Roos introduced for them and what he has started with us. Only thing I don't agree with is that once we get our players back that we will pummel them. Guys like Parker and Kennedy are seriously good players - Kennedy being the standard, he is a competitive beast. We were very fumbly and that is a direct result from referred pressure (we did the same against the doggies). I don't reckon you can shrug that game off, instead I think we can learn. 

Last night was a good reality check. But for me the goal is still very achievable - make the top 8, which is completely in our control. There are enough beatable teams left for us to play, regardless of the current injuries. 

[Ethan Tremblay 30,878]

With a full strength to near full strength team we would smash the Swans. I'm not disappointed with the loss, just disappointed with the injury list. 

[Earl Hood 6,086]

2 hours ago, Robot Devil said:

 

It was clear that Sydney targeted Max as well.

Did anyone else see the incident where he was kneed in the guts or nuts in a rucking contest early on?

Happened right in front of me and looked a deliberate action.

Will be interesting to see if the MRP look at that one.

 

And should have been a free kick for blocking Max from contesting the hit out. Happened right in front of the umpire but play on. I thought the umpiring was atrocious last night not that it affected the outcome, it was just hard to work out their decisions. Holding the ball, incorrect disposal? Anyone understand the rules anymore? 

[rpfc 28,540]

36 minutes ago, Diamond said:

I hope we win all eight.

Well, we just 4 on the trot and your response to our first loss is utter despondence.

We have injuries, but can we fashion a forward line out of spare parts to kick a winning score? 

Done that.

Can we lose a huge plank of our stoppage work and still get enough footy to average over 50 entries forward?

Yeah, we did that for a couple months.

Footy is never easy and yes we look to be without Salem, Jones, and Viney for a month, and Watts and/or Garlett for one or two more weeks, but we are 8 and 6 and in a great spot to not look for nihilistic excuses to be despondent about watching footy in the last 2 months of the season.

Edited July 1, 2017 by rpfc

[SFebes 4,884]

I think of it this way, we had 4 games in 18 days with 6 out of our best 10 not playing. To win 3 out of those 4 is an outstanding effort considering the above. I never expected to beat WCE but thought we'd beat Sydney so we are no different to what I expected. Our best, with a full side, can win it.

[Deemented Are Go! 3,684]

All the wailing pessimists need to listen to Goody on SEN right now. 

We're in good hands.

[Cheesy D. Pun 1,765]

1 hour ago, Is Dom Is Good said:

Thought Maxy Gawn has really struggled his first two games back.

Missing a lot of marks he would usually take.

Not concerned as I'm sure he is just a bit rusty, but something I've noticed.

Yeah, he seems to lacking some strength at the moment. Was bullied on occasion at ruck contests as well.

He'll get there.