POST MATCH DISCUSSION - Round 10

[Rodney (Balls) Grinter 10,570]

7 hours ago, Wizza said:

Smith Jnr every day of the week over Omac. Showed more in a quarter of footy than Omac has shown all year. Omac super lucky we don't other alternatives at the moment.

I do like the look of Smith, but from what little I've seen of his disposal at AFL level, it's been pretty odinary.  Perhaps it's just nerves, a little uncertainty and struggling to pick up the faster pace of the game.  I'm certainly hoping he can tidy up this area of his game, because he looks like a more than handy prospect.

Edited May 28, 2017 by Rodney (Balls) Grinter

[Dees2014 2,377]

21 hours ago, picket fence said:

Surely Stretch or Kennedy better options?

Stretch for mine. Much higher skills, but needs to bulk up, which he will as he gets older. 

[Wiseblood 24,636]

8 hours ago, A F said:

He laid 5 tackles, yeah, but was murdered in the ruck and failed to take a contested mark once moved forward. 

I may have to check the tape, because maybe he did take some marks in the second half, but I certainly don't recall any.

It's such a strange comment from you, Adam.  Maybe it's because Pedo has had such a big month that he has set the bar too high, but to have a go at him about his ruck work when we both know he was giving up serious height to Witts on the weekend is harsh in the extreme.  What he lacked in height he made up for with his work around the ground, and while he may not have have had the same impact of previous weeks, he was still very handy on the weekend.

[jackaub 1,402]

What is wrong with our contested marking inside 50 rarely took marks and spilled many easy ones Watts and Petracca the main offenders

Also why do we seem to stufff around with the ball just outside 50.It looks like they are scared to kick goals 

Many times on Saturday we won the contest, space and time opened up and the players chose not to kick at the goals again Watts and Petracca the main offenders.Maybe I am not seeing things. Bugg needs to practise practise and Practise!!!!

 

[Brownie 5,127]

1 hour ago, Pates said:

Oh and some of Derms best comments:

On Bugg's kicking lining up for goal, "he's usually a very good kick is Tom Bugg". 

After Watts kicked a goal, "he's not a renouned goal kicker, Jack Watts".

Last time I checked Watts was predominantly a forward who last year kicked 38 goals, and Tom Bugg is one of the worst kicks in our team! Very special comments there!

he's still better than Taylor and Hudson

[binman 37,793]

1 hour ago, Webber said:

Dermie often commentates by emotion, or the vibe of the thing, at least as it sits in his mind. Facts are for others. 

The worst commentator in the land. He bizarrely thinks he is a wordsmith but completely mangles words, phrases and sentences. Makes up words and expressions. Sometimes just grunts if some bit of play reinforces some idea he has. Extraordinary stuff for someone paid to make comments. The best i can say is he is consistent.

When answering the question about why he thought Harmes' perfectly legal handball was illegal he mumbled something then said it 'correct indsiposal'. 

Sometimes his analysis is actually ok. But often not. Loved the gem in the first quarter after the GCs third goal. He reckoned we were well on top because of the win. I can see what he was trying to say. I think. But we were 2 goals down!

Then in the third he was saying Oliver looked cooked and wow the dees were tiring. Just before we flicked the switch, looked the far fitter team and GC stopped like a train had them.

Edited May 28, 2017 by binman

[Dees2014 2,377]

17 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

so at a reported figure of $500K plus travel expenses that is $100 per attendee. Somehow I think the NT government has better things on which to spend its money.

And please don't tell me they make it from Tourism ..... how many people watched that game against say two or three ads during the Richmond v Collingwood game

 

It is a good deal for them. What other chance do they get to get half a day on television and the national media to have NT front and centre, and the Alice presents really well on television. Since they have been televising Alice Springs games, I have certainly changed my view of it (admittedly superficial view), but isn't that what advertising and promotion is all about - perceptions rather than reality. 

The NT deal is a good deal for them AND us!

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

55 minutes ago, #11-TonyAnderson said:

Didn't like first half, loved our second half! We won, so I get to wear MFC tie to work. If Watts has a groin injury might explain lack of leap (and make some posts here look lame)

A groin injury suffered this week against the Suns wouldn't have impacted on his ability to stretch his arms out to take a mark last week against North Melbourne.

[jackaub 1,402]

His contested work looks weak and disinterested.His body is rarely in the right position to make a contest and on a number of occasions just flung an arm at the ball as it went past

[Dees2014 2,377]

15 hours ago, dimmy said:

There seem to be whipping boys even when we play well and win (Coaching group were reasonably happy with first half, but we failed to convert and ball movement in the mid/fwd lines) Iam am extending Goody's words in his press  briefing.

SO :

• How come it is OMac's fault for every mistake on the ground .There are criticisms of his marking (but not Petraccas). I must admit there were a couple of times in the first half that I thought the Knockers may be right, but overall he was playing on either Lynch or" 2 metre pete" so Frosty and OMac really did their jobs teamwise. He had 11 1% and some people are being praised for massively less than that. If you want a high flying KPD who carries the ball 50 metres ( like Jayden Hunt ) , and kicks it 60 ( like David Neitz) at least 10 times a game , be prepared to pay 2 Miliom $. So be thankful we are grooming blokes like Frosty & OMac.
• Our paucity of Ruckmen means that we have taken our main KPD out of his best area and have two "äpprentices" back there. Let us be fair to them. Jetta and Hibberd' have tightened the defence up really well.
• Our paucity of Ruckmen means that we have also taken our main Fwd line ball distributor out of his most effective area. Jack Watts is not a natural ruckman and has competed extremely well in  that role for some weeks. Over that time he has assumed a "more than fill in role". I agree that he may have got a rocket at 1/2 time, but I also feel a few teamates were informed he was on the ground, makes good decisions and is our traffic director into the fwd line .so why was he not being used
• Clarrie is in front of Jobe Watson at the same stage of his career and could be anything.
• Petracca needs to take a leaf out of Nathan Jones/Clarries book because he could be anything. I was a bit critical of his input yesterday until i saw the replay and started to notice how stats can lie because he put really good pressure on when the ball is in his area.Just need to get more of it.
• Nathan Jones. If he was Cyril dangerfield,, Bruce McAve... would have him as an All Australian. I just feel that the wider football group do not quite appreciate how he has shown enormous loyalty and committment to the Club. He has grown massively as a leader..
• Peddo is our whole hearted team man. When Gawny comes back a fwd line with Peddo deep and Jack Watts high Half Fwd and Hannan and Gartlett crumbing and running we could be anything.

The future is bright !!!!

And Hoges!

[chook fowler 18,174]

I'm also excited by Joel Smith - he was looking the goods prior to injury and is exactly what we need down back. I also thought we got a glimpse of what Melksham brings to the table on Saturday. 

[Gator 16,891]

I couldn't bring myself to watch the first half again, but I watched the second and you notice things you missed the first time around.

A few observations:

Oscar was worse than I thought.  He was spectacularly woeful.  Twice he missed simple overhead marks with no competition when the ball just went through his hands.  He kicked to Hunt but missed him and the ball went out of bounds.  There were countless others, including another missed kick under zero pressure, but I won't bore everyone with blow by blow descriptions.  He is so far off the pace of an AFL standard key defender it's not funny.

Neal-Bullen was much better than I remembered.  He and Oliver waxed a lot.  His ability to get his hands on the footy during our comeback was important and just as importantly he hit his targets with quality footskills.  I've never rated Neal-Bullen, but I'm starting to change.  He's much improved and much more composed than last year.

Rocket said in his post match interview that they had 15 players out and expect 6 back next week.  I checked the "outs".  Other than Ablett there are battlers like Rosa and Grant.  Day is OK (just) but may not play again and there's really no-one else of significance.  Rory Thompson was probably the most significant, but what midget in Melbourne's forward-line was he going to take ?  And Leslie played his role as well or better than he could.  The list doesn't include Ablett, but did include Swallow and Hanley, who both played.  Turn it up, Rocket !

Player	Injury	Estimated Return
Callum Ah Chee	Back	TBC
Ben Ainsworth	Quad	Test
Sam Day	Hip	Season
Jarrad Grant	Knee	Test
Pearce Hanley	Heel	Test
Jesse Lonergan	Shoulder	Test
Trent McKenzie	Hamstring	Test
Michael Rischitelli	Knee	Indefinite
Matt Rosa	Concussion	Test
David Swallow	Knee	Test
Rory Thompson	Hamstring	Test

[Scipio 5,868]

1 hour ago, Pates said:

Oh and some of Derms best comments:

On Bugg's kicking lining up for goal, "he's usually a very good kick is Tom Bugg". 

After Watts kicked a goal, "he's not a renouned goal kicker, Jack Watts".

Last time I checked Watts was predominantly a forward who last year kicked 38 goals, and Tom Bugg is one of the worst kicks in our team! Very special comments there!

He did say Watts set shot routine is in the top 3 in the league though. Hard to argue with that!

[beelzebub 22,225]

37 minutes ago, Dees2014 said:

It is a good deal for them. What other chance do they get to get half a day on television and the national media to have NT front and centre, and the Alice presents really well on television. Since they have been televising Alice Springs games, I have certainly changed my view of it (admittedly superficial view), but isn't that what advertising and promotion is all about - perceptions rather than reality. 

The NT deal is a good deal for them AND us!

Not on fta 

[HBDee 343]

On 5/27/2017 at 7:37 PM, ProperDee said:

No offence Dan but really? Oscar would be near to the worst player in the comp. Would not get a game in any other team. Tom...so much hype but his decision making and disposal is very, very ordinary. 

Oscar reminds me of Zac Dawson and he is actually the worst player in the league. I hope he proves me wrong in the latter part of the year.

[Mazer Rackham 14,968]

9 hours ago, mattjm said:

do you remember frawleys kicking in early years puss nuts? he has forged a pretty good career... just saying

There, there, Mrs McDonald. No one's condemning Oscar to death. Just saying he needs more time to develop, in the twos.

[3Dee 1,153]

The ability to complete put-off the majority of supporters and then win everyone back, was truly Kaufman-esque.

Edited May 28, 2017 by 3Dee

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

39 minutes ago, ProDee said:

 

Player	Injury	Estimated Return
Callum Ah Chee	Back	TBC
Ben Ainsworth	Quad	Test
Sam Day	Hip	Season
Jarrad Grant	Knee	Test
Pearce Hanley	Heel	Test
Jesse Lonergan	Shoulder	Test
Trent McKenzie	Hamstring	Test
Michael Rischitelli	Knee	Indefinite
Matt Rosa	Concussion	Test
David Swallow	Knee	Test
Rory Thompson	Hamstring	Test

 

Do not underestimate the significance of Jarrad Grant's unavailability.

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

I find it bewildering that supporters of the same team can see such polarisingly different things when judging an individual's game. 

Oscar in this instance.

Edited May 28, 2017 by stevethemanjordan

[Salems Lot 2,361]

17 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

This has always been my concern. We as the Melbournre Football Club should be Working with the Victorian Government to increase the profile of both the State and the club. 

Geelong make over $600k every home game and get the state Govt to pay for their Grandstand. 

The MFC simply has to increase its profile

The NT Deal was survival mode in 2012-13, we should have left it behind by now. 

BUT are we the Melbourne Football Club  or The MCG Football Club?

 

We need to move to a marginal electorate to have that happen SWYL

[Engorged Onion 9,239]

6 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

I find it bewildering that supporters of the same team can see such polarisingly different things when judging an individuals game. 

Oscar in this instance.

I think its to do with whether you have a supportive stance and can relate to the notion of development and are the type to forgive errors in the short term - vs those who see things in black and white, who want instant gratification and that the only place to develop is in the VFL as opposed to the context of developing skills under high pressure contexts. Also these same people are just really tired of mediocrity and are anxious about the future...

[danielE288 579]

Spot on. The guys not Matthew Scarlett ffs. He's got the attributes but needs time

[Sir Why You Little 34,419]

7 minutes ago, Salems Lot said:

We need to move to a marginal electorate to have that happen SWYL

Yeah you are probably right

 

[Mazer Rackham 14,968]

2 hours ago, Webber said:

Dermie often commentates by emotion, or the vibe of the thing, at least as it sits in his mind. Facts are for others. 

Dermott is your classic ex-player commentator. Doesn't put in the work, doesn't know the players, doesn't keep up with trends.

And who's going to contradict what he says? He's got the ultimate comeback: "you didn't play at the highest level, what would you know?"

Money for jam.

[Jaded No More 57,672]

On 2017-5-27 at 10:12 PM, Nasher said:

Jones and Goodwin both said post match that they felt we were doing a lot right in the first half. I hope WYL didn't hear that, for his dog's sake.

We weren't tho, and I hope they don't believe that behind closed doors.