POST MATCH DISCUSSION - Round 5

[Gorgoroth 12,305]

Good effort by most.  Especially Watts, Hibbo and Clarry.

Still zero leadership out on the ground. Games in the balance and who steps forward???

[w00dy 146]

Just now, Forest Demon said:

Frawley was an AA defender, and his departure netted us very good compensation.

Trengove was destined to be a gun, but never got a run at it due to injuries.

I wouldn't class either as "bungles".

Toumpas over Wines, now there's a "bungle".

 We got Brayshaw for chip, who is currently bouncing around the 2s. 

Trenners I love,  but never looked like being as good as dusty. He is a jet. 

[Wiseblood 24,636]

1 minute ago, dazzledavey36 said:

There were positives but im gonna go on a rant because i can.

 

That's not like you at all dazzle!

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Just now, dazzledavey36 said:

There were positives but im gonna go on a rant because i can.

That was the worst 3 goal game i have seen with Jesse Hogan. Thought he cleaned up his attitude over the off season? When Garlett was streaming forward Hogan kept leading back when all he needed to do was lead forward to the ball carrier. Garlett was out on his feet and barely made it to him simply because he was the quick easy one out the back. 

Wake up Jesse!

Been saying it for 18 months now but Tom McDonald is not the answer to our backline. He is a 2nd tall defender not a first. I have lost all confidence in our defence and when the general is TMac then we have serious issue's.. Steven May has to be our number 1 priority.

How good was Hibberd though? 

Agree with practically all of this. Hogan in particular need to get his [censored] together. Sick to death of his sooking. Jack Watts gets ignored time after time after time after time, but you dont see him giving up like Hogan does.

[dazzledavey36 48,619]

Just now, Wiseblood said:

That's not like you at all dazzle!

The positives aren't ready to come out yet..

Still shattered. 

[beelzebub 22,225]

For those that Don't get it the Toiges aon %90 of contested hit outs post Spencil going down. 

Expected ? I'd have thought so. No slight Jack.

Did  we adjust ...fukk no. We kept going.....and lost the clearances. Well done FD

[picket fence 15,040]

54 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Yep

Picked wrong lads

Well done FD

Well done to those still standing

Take a bow Goody ..lot to learn mate

Yep absolutely we lost this at selection

ANB too many costly mistakes VFL player only

Harmes ditto

JKH on what basis was he selected?

Billy Stretch starting to look lost

Melksham not up to it!

Mc Donald, Towelled up as usual 

Sheesh Im angry at selection and match day coaching! 

I know we had shizen luck with injuries but really why wasn;t Pedo and Kent playing??

 

[Demonsone 1,593]

2 minutes ago, Lord Travis said:

Why doesn't Hogan lead anymore? He plays his best footy leading up the ground and doubling back. Tonight he stood there like a statue calling for it on his head. I can remember two instances where he had a paddock in front of him and instead of leading st the ball carrier he stood still and called for it on his head. He's so lazy sometimes! Coaches should've thrown him into the ruck in the last quarter and he would've had heaps left in the tank while Watts was out on his feet from busting his ass again. I wish Hogan had Watts work ethic and resilience.

If the ball is delivered poorly...What do you expect?

 

[Watts the matter 1,235]

Frustrating game and night, but what I've come to expect this season.

Major issues converting our forward 50's into scores, too many players that are not kicks in the team.

This loss down to the selection panel for mine. Kent and Pederson should have been playing, with Smith and JKH on the sidelines.

Major issues with 3 or 4 defenders going up for the same ball and leaving their opponent out the back. Melksham and Hunt the major culprits.

Hogan needs to stop playing for frees, it's embarrassing. 

Garlett really soft in a contest late in the game in the goal square.

ANB basically summed up his career in this game, not clean enough (how many fumbles in the 1st quarter) and panics under pressure. but you can't fault his endeavour.

Tyson has been horrible this season.

Neville Jetta looked painfully slow.

TMAC crushed in 1 on 1's.

BRING BACK DEAN KENT!

 

[John Crow Batty 8,217]

1 minute ago, Lord Travis said:

Why doesn't Hogan lead anymore? He plays his best footy leading up the ground and doubling back. Tonight he stood there like a statue calling for it on his head. I can remember two instances where he had a paddock in front of him and instead of leading st the ball carrier he stood still and called for it on his head. He's so lazy sometimes! Coaches should've thrown him into the ruck in the last quarter and he would've had heaps left in the tank while Watts was out on his feet from busting his ass again. I wish Hogan had Watts work ethic and resilience.

Hogan wants easy shots at goal. Avoids anything over 30 metres as much as possible.

[Boots and all 894]

2 minutes ago, Lord Travis said:

Why doesn't Hogan lead anymore? He plays his best footy leading up the ground and doubling back. Tonight he stood there like a statue calling for it on his head. I can remember two instances where he had a paddock in front of him and instead of leading st the ball carrier he stood still and called for it on his head. He's so lazy sometimes! Coaches should've thrown him into the ruck in the last quarter and he would've had heaps left in the tank while Watts was out on his feet from busting his ass again. I wish Hogan had Watts work ethic and resilience.

Tooo many durries?

[w00dy 146]

3 minutes ago, The heart beats true said:

Dusty would have been out of the game by now under our old regime. We would have ruined each other.

Id still trade Riewoldt for Petracca and Brayshaw. Everyday. When we win a flag with them both out of the centre with Clarry you can hail my genius.

 

 Perhaps on dusty.  Chip only netted us Brayshaw. We would have got trac anyhow.  

[Return to Glory 7,681]

1 minute ago, ding said:

Agree with practically all of this. Hogan in particular need to get his [censored] together. Sick to death of his sooking. Jack Watts gets ignored time after time after time after time, but you dont see him giving up like Hogan does.

Hogan was shown up badly by Reiwold's endeavour at the other end (don't like saying it)

[Docs Demons 1,656]

First time poster however watching up here in Qld with my Sons and Grand Kids I understand we had some players down but boy where are our leaders. Jones and Viney along with Vince and McDonald are not a Selwood. We were 25 points up for goodness sake and with Selwood in our team instead of any of the above. We Win. No argument from any of you on that.

By the way I am also sick and tired of the same useless players getting a game that frustrate the hell out of me. Why does Goodwin select players that are just not up to AFL standard,  JKH is a perfect example. Struggle to get a game in a local league.

[rufus 916]

3 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

There were positives but im gonna go on a rant because i can.

That was the worst 3 goal game i have seen with Jesse Hogan. Thought he cleaned up his attitude over the off season? When Garlett was streaming forward Hogan kept leading back when all he needed to do was lead forward to the ball carrier. Garlett was out on his feet and barely made it to him simply because he wanted the quick easy one out the back. 

Wake up Jesse!

Been saying it for 18 months now but Tom McDonald is not the answer to our backline. He is a 2nd tall defender not a first. I have lost all confidence in our defence and when the general is TMac then we have serious issue's.. Im scared already what Daniher eill do to us next week. Steven May has to be our number 1 priority.

How good was Hibberd though? 

Agree with this. McDonald as a 2nd or probably 3rd defender may have a role but right now it's just plain scary. May would be a great target. Anyone lamenting the loss of Frawley is forgetting the effort he gave over the latter part of his MFC time...JH body language may be bad but it's not in the same league.

[Boots and all 894]

4 minutes ago, Watts the matter said:

Frustrating game and night, but what I've come to expect this season.

Major issues converting our forward 50's into scores, too many players that are not kicks in the team.

This loss down to the selection panel for mine. Kent and Pederson should have been playing, with Smith and JKH on the sidelines.

Major issues with 3 or 4 defenders going up for the same ball and leaving their opponent out the back. Melksham and Hunt the major culprits.

Hogan needs to stop playing for frees, it's embarrassing. 

Garlett really soft in a contest late in the game in the goal square.

ANB basically summed up his career in this game, not clean enough (how many fumbles in the 1st quarter) and panics under pressure. but you can't fault his endeavour.

Tyson has been horrible this season.

Neville Jetta looked painfully slow.

TMAC crushed in 1 on 1's.

BRING BACK DEAN KENT!

 

Agree with Pedo, Spencer is not Gawn. We need a backup ruck that is not J Watts, he is utterly wasted in the ruck.

Edited April 24, 2017 by Boots and all

[pinkshark 935]

1 hour ago, Chook said:

I feel like the last three weeks have been a case of missed opportunities and bad luck. Honestly, it’s harder to take than being plain crap; but at least there’s light at the end of the tunnel...

no its not.  not even close.

[Wizza 170]

Never thought much of this curse that many of you have mentioned. I am a form believer now.

[The heart beats true 16,003]

1 minute ago, w00dy said:

 Perhaps on dusty.  Chip only netted us Brayshaw. We would have got trac anyhow.  

Yeah true, but I'd still trade Riewoldt for Brayshaw because Hogan has 7 years on him and in our window we'll need suppliers for him.

Hows that for optimism from a supporter whose team has lost 3 straight and hasn't played finals in a decade! ?

[Scoop Junior 2,963]

There are some seriously silly posts on this thread. 

How can anyone have a go at the players for losing that one. "Injuries no excuse"...are you serious? This is a game played by humans, they are not robots. In a high intensity, high pressure game, to lose two players before half time and have another one hobbling in the goal square, it makes it extremely difficult. Add in the fact your no1 ruck is out, then your second ruck goes down before half time, how can you possibly compete on a level playing field? And they are not playing mugs, they are playing a team of elite professional athletes, with 22 fit players. There was nothing more predictable than Richmond running over the top of us. You could see it late in the third.

By all means be frustrated. I am. It's excruciating to know you have a good side, a side in my view that is clearly a class above Richmond, but due solely to bad luck they have beaten us. We outplayed them for three quarters despite our injuries and they only crept past us at the end.

Richmond should get no credit for tonight. That was a Steven Bradbury win if I've ever seen one. Them being 5-0 and us 2-3 is about as illusory as ladder positions get.

Unfortunately we've just copped a shocking run of luck so far this year and in an even competition it can be the difference between finishing 5th or 15th. We finally have a good side capable of getting results and we just haven't had a fair go.

But be frustrated at that. Don't just assume this was an avoidable fade out that the players should take responsibility for. They were fantastic tonight and deserved the four points.

Edited April 24, 2017 by Scoop Junior

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Just now, Return to Glory said:

Hogan was shown up badly by Reiwold's endeavour at the other end (don't like saying it)

The contrast is exactly what should be played to Jesse multiple times. This is the single thing stopping him from becoming a future legend of the game.

Get rid of his sooking, and replace it with a desire to make someone pay, and you have a champion.

[John Dee 436]

Statistics say that when it is 22 V 21, the 22 wins. When it is 22 V 20, you have very little chance. We are a better side than Richmond, and I don't know who is going to play in the ruck next week.

[mrtwister 650]

Not having our ruckman wasn't just about the hit outs. We had no target for our kick ins or rebound 50s. We had no controlled possessions or big guy to bring it to ground to the little guys and they just pumped it back in. Then when we finally got it into our forward line and they just kicked it to Nankervis and got it back down their end.

I'm not sure we had trouble rotating Viney back on. It was us who kept kicking it to the other side. Given that we now know he has a knee issue, maybe he was being held for the last 10 minutes of the game? We couldn't get Oliver back on after we took him off and put Tyson back on. I said to my wife when I saw the interchange that we just handicapped ourselves even more with that change. 

Let's hope Essendon write themselves off with a physical game in the wet tomorrow and make the most of their 5 day break. 

[Coq au vin 754]

50 minutes ago, Watts Jurrah Dunn? said:

Jake Spencer - the only 105kg ruckman that could collide with an 80kg midfielder and come off second best. What a useless [censored]. 8 years clogging the list to do his shoulder week 2 when we need him. 

You are a total [censored]

[ArtificialWisdom 3,844]

7 minutes ago, Lord Travis said:

Why doesn't Hogan lead anymore? He plays his best footy leading up the ground and doubling back. Tonight he stood there like a statue calling for it on his head. I can remember two instances where he had a paddock in front of him and instead of leading st the ball carrier he stood still and called for it on his head. He's so lazy sometimes! Coaches should've thrown him into the ruck in the last quarter and he would've had heaps left in the tank while Watts was out on his feet from busting his ass again. I wish Hogan had Watts work ethic and resilience.

Better question: Why dosn't anyone honour Hogans leads. He lead alone to the defensive flank over and over during kickouts and they refused to kick it to him. The one time Bernie tried to he missed the target.