Changes for next week v Geelong

[Bitter but optimistic 22,289]

I'm guessing only compulsory changes.

Bernie in no doubt.

Pedo in to fill the marking forward role. He's no Hogan but he can do the job. I can't see us going small with say Kent.

[DemonLad5 1,642]

Probably won't happen, but wouldn't mind seeing Brayshaw or even Melksham (despite our lack of defenders) for Kent

IN: Kent, Pederson, Vince

OUT: Hogan, Lewis, Brayshaw

otherwise Hannan out for Kent - didn't do enough

[Demons11 7,129]

On 02/04/2017 at 6:41 PM, dazzledavey36 said:

Hannan and Brayshaw out.

Vince and Kent in.

??

[Demons11 7,129]

16 minutes ago, DemonLad5 said:

Probably won't happen, but wouldn't mind seeing Brayshaw or even Melksham (despite our lack of defenders) for Kent

IN: Kent, Pederson, Vince

OUT: Hogan, Lewis, Brayshaw

otherwise Hannan out for Kent - didn't do enough

Is Brayshaw injured or are you saying he is getting dropped for 1 average game?

[titan_uranus 25,212]

I think we need a tall to replace Hogan and that should be Pedersen, not Spencer.

Vince replaces Lewis in a direct swap.

Pedersen plays Hogan's role, Watts continues to do relief ruckwork when Gawn is off (although Pedersen can do the rucking in the forward line to ease the load a bit). Watts benefits from being brought into the game through the middle.

9 hours ago, Clint Bizkit said:

I still think his best game was in our win over GWS at Etihad in 2015 when he played forward and was able to clunk some big marks.

He always looked to handpass yesterday too, clearly not confident in his kicking.

Agree.

I'd have Harmes up forward in a marking role, along with Petracca and Hannan, then with Pedersen and Weideman as the two talls. Garlett at their feet, ANB through there too.

[TickleMeTyson 137]

Vince in for Lewis is obvious and I'd be happy to see Kent in for Hogan. Hannan has shown, particularly in the 4th quarter against Carlton, that he can compete in the air and force a contest at a minimum. Hannan has the marking ability to play Hogan's role and Kent just adds to the manic forward pressure required to win at Etihad.

Loved Spencer's work in the JLT, but Stanley and Blicavs are way too quick and will kill him at ground level, two big ruckmen at Etihad doesn't work, the game is simply too quick. Chris Scott's tactic to not nominate a ruckman against North suggests Dangerwood might even be happy to rove to Max all day, with Geelong's ruckman basically acting as extra mids. Hopefully, we have a tactic to counter this because North didn't. 

Edited April 4, 2017 by TickleMeTyson

[Damo 3,447]

15 minutes ago, Demons11 said:

Is Brayshaw injured or are you saying he is getting dropped for 1 average game?

Brayshaw has looked uncomfortable and slow in his reactions all JLT and both games. He hasnt played well but has been typically courageous.

He needs a few weeks off and not VFL. He is not himself. Im worried his concussions are troubling him. He needs freshening up.

[spirit of norm smith 16,656]

ins. Spencer Vince

outs. Hogan Lewis (jim carrey and jeff daniels)

[dazzledavey36 55,994]

34 minutes ago, Demons11 said:

??

Mate that was done 5 mins after the game. 

Obviously going to be different now with Hogan and Lewis gone.

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14 minutes ago, TickleMeTyson said:

Vince in for Lewis is obvious and I'd be happy to see Kent in for Hogan. Hannan has shown, particularly in the 4th quarter against Carlton, that he can compete in the air and force a contest at a minimum. Hannan has the marking ability to play Hogan's role and Kent just adds to the manic forward pressure required to win at Etihad.

Loved Spencer's work in the JLT, but Stanley and Bilcavs are way too quick and will kill him at ground level, two big ruckmen at Etihad doesn't work, the game is simply too quick. Chris Scott's tactic to not nominate a ruckman against North suggests Dangerwood might even be happy to rove to Max all day, with Geelong's ruckman basically acting as extra mids. Hopefully, we have a tactic to counter this because North didn't. 

You'd think that in the absence of a competitive ruck opposition they would have a 'long punch' plan. Could choose a spot on the compass and get width from the contest. Huge advantage if Dangerfield is stuck 15 meters from where the ball lands. 

[Demons11 7,129]

7 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Mate that was done 5 mins after the game. 

Obviously going to be different now with Hogan and Lewis gone.

Fair enough 

[Sigil 1,002]

24 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

ins. Spencer Vince

outs. Hogan Lewis (jim carrey and jeff daniels)

Tee hee.

[At the break of Gawn 4,460]

1 hour ago, chook fowler said:

If Weed and Watts have to play key forward all game, Gawn will have no one to relieve him in the ruck. So I guess that means either Spence or Pedo comes in.

Pretty sure Pedo won't be back-up ruck. Didn't play that role against the Hawks last year and surprisingly, Roos (and now Goodwin) think Watts is pretty competent at it. 

I'm actually opting for Spencer on this. Geelong has a big issue with their Rucks. Spencer and Gawn tower over Stanley and Blicavs by >10cm. Secondly, Geelong doesn't have a tall enough defender when either Gawn/Spencer drift forward.

Bigger worry could be our defence. Menzel is a hard match-up and in pretty good form. Melksham will have his work cut out for him and could be a defining game for him if he has to play accountable. 

[Demanding Success 298]

I think Tim smith might get a look in to replace Hogan.

[Demon trucker 1,800]

On 02/04/2017 at 8:11 PM, DeeSpencer said:

The combination of Lewis, Brayshaw and Salem gave us far better balance and quality around the stoppages than Dom - holding the ball/turnover Tyson. Don't get fooled by his stats. He blasted to no one repeatedly, is slow to defend at the stoppages and his field kicking is disgusting. He had a big last quarter but he needed to because he'd cost us about 5 goals by that time.

They only kick 9 goals, u got no idea was his first game back, will be better, we only played 1 bad qtr, won ever other qtr, Vince in for lewis Spencer in for hogan, and Kent in for ANB, gawn to spend more time forward.

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3 minutes ago, Demanding Success said:

I think Tim smith might get a look in to replace Hogan.

Good idea and I'd like to see it but I'm not sure he has earned it yet.

[Demanding Success 298]

He is coming off a pretty good year, had a pretty good VFL grand final and played pretty well on the weekend. I'm not sure about having Spencer with Gawn already there and docklands is a quick surface. I just think Smith will be in the selection conversation.

[Demon Dynasty 17,135]

6 hours ago, Maldonboy38 said:

Throughout the preseason we were talking about our improved depth. Well this will be truly tested now Lewis and Hogan are gone for a while.

Vince comes straight in, not sure about who else. We don't have an immediate replacement for Hogan so we might need to go sma,lish with Petracca, Kent, Garlett, and also aim for midfielder goals.

The big risk is Dangerfield and Selwood reading it off Gawn - they are really good at getting into position A or running through the right spot at a ballup at full pace. Hunt on Dangerfield could be interesting. 

Hunt on Danger would be great to watch Maldon 

[Adam The God 30,644]

On Sunday, April 02, 2017 at 8:10 PM, dees189227 said:

Well Vince has to come in. Still think we need a back up ruckman instead of sending Watts in there. But I'm not confident with Spencer. 

So next week 2 teams play at a ground that is neither there home ground. 

Given what the Cats did in the last quarter against the Roos, I don't think we can afford to play Spencer as well. We need to go fast and small up forward.

[Demon Dynasty 17,135]

5 hours ago, Mgdee said:

Played last weekend. Was very ordinary. Would prefer they gave Frost, Smith or Keilty a shot on the form shown on Sunday  

 

Tim Smith Mgdee? How'd he go?

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4 hours ago, big_red_fire_engine said:

Vince for Lewis and being we are at Etihad I would swap Hogan for Kent and go with a mid sized forward line built around Weideman, Watts and Trac and swarming smalls. Or is there a sneaky chance that they bring Bull Smith in to play Hogans' role.....wouldn't put it past Goody.

If he played a half decent game at Casey he should come straight in big red. Is the best medium sized forward on our list by a country mile with buckets for hands and as accurate as Watts anywhere inside the arc. Accurate goal kicking = maximising forward 50 entries and scoreboard pressure.

[buck_nekkid 6,085]

Vince in for Lewis.

petracca to FF with Weid and Watts the talls.

bugg in for Hogan.  Set him on Dangerfield.

its Shitead, so small and fast.

Hogan and Lewis to do a lot of gut busting training to make up for their brain fades.

[Deestroy All 14,266]

ProDee nailed it. Smallish, versatile forward line, make Watts earn some credits in the air. 

 

But I'm not worried, we own Etihad now. 

 

[Adam The God 30,644]

On Sunday, April 02, 2017 at 9:56 PM, stevethemanjordan said:

Lol.

How does that work when we play a zone defence?

I guess you must have missed the free kicks against and non-effective spoils he attempted last week that resulted directly in goals to St Kilda?

It honestly amazes me at how easily pleased some supporters are when it comes to judging an individual's performance.

Agree with Deespencer re: Tyson. Posters love a statistic around here. I wish those who continue to blindly defend players would actually watch the replay and tell me how many of his 30-odd possessions were meaningful. And that doesn't include little 15 metre kicks to a leading player on his own. They're expected at this level. I rate Tyson really highly when he's up and going. But when his skills and decision making are down, he is truly awful. And for whatever reason, delusional supporters don't like hearing that. The ball was pinging all over the place today due to errors, but if people genuinely think Tyson had a real influence on today's result, they don't really understand football.

There's a reason why GWS were happy enough to let Tyson go knowing the players they had in their midfield group. And now that we've got some genuine talent in ours, I think Dom's lack of attribute diversity is becoming more and more obvious.

Clutching at straws, Steve. The post was referring to the Carlton game. The fact you had to bring up the St Kilda game shows you have no leg to stand on with Oscar this week. He struggled a bit the week before, but this week he was solid.

And the Tyson bashing doesn't surprise me. Yes, he should have lowered the eyes once going inside 50 and his kicking early in the game was ordinary, but for the most part his hard running and midfield contribution got us over the line. He tidies a few of those things up and he'll be an A grader soon enough.

[Adam The God 30,644]

On Sunday, April 02, 2017 at 9:58 PM, mdemon said:

IIRC, the knock on Melksham has always been his disposal.

I know a few Essendrug fans who were surprised/delighted that we took him off their hands on a deal worth @ $400k for 3 years (?) when he was seen as a 'turnover merchant' of the highest order.

Still, maybe Goodwin sees something in him that is worth persevering with.

Straight swap for Bernie for mine.

Melksham was an absolute turnover merchant at the druggies. I was surprised and bemused we picked him up, but so far at Melbourne, he's hardly put a foot wrong. 

Edited April 3, 2017 by A F