POST MATCH DISCUSSION - Round 2

[Nasher 33,047]

22 minutes ago, old dee said:

I don't disagree with that Clint but his kicking is not the flawless quality that was talked about pre season.

"Good kick" is a relative term OD, and relative to the rest, Lewis is a good kick. That doesn't mean he doesn't stuff it up sometimes, and I'm not sure I recall anyone described it as a flawless quality of his.

[old dee 22,819]

Just now, Nasher said:

"Good kick" is a relative term OD, and relative to the rest, Lewis is a good kick. That doesn't mean he doesn't stuff it up sometimes, and I'm not sure I recall anyone described it as a flawless quality of his.

Read some of the old training session reports Nasher he was constancy described as never missing a target.

Perhaps they real thing is a bit harder than dancing with your sister.

[pineapple dee 2,892]

1 hour ago, old dee said:

Is it my imagination or did the crowd look three quarters Dees supporters

You are totally correct in that comment OD. I thought the same myself and looking over into the Southern stand, there were heaps of dees fans there which isn't normally the case. The fewer blues fans made a lot of noise, especially when they were moaning about the umpiring.

[old dee 22,819]

16 minutes ago, pineapple dee said:

You are totally correct in that comment OD. I thought the same myself and looking over into the Southern stand, there were heaps of dees fans there which isn't normally the case. The fewer blues fans made a lot of noise, especially when they were moaning about the umpiring.

There was a hell of a noise when Garlett and Jones kicked those last quarter goals. I have not heard that volume at the G for a long time.

[Sir Why You Little 34,430]

1 hour ago, old dee said:

I don't disagree with that Clint but his kicking is not the flawless quality that was talked about pre season.

We will get 2 years out of Lewis onfield

hopefully a few more in a coaching role. 

[old dee 22,819]

4 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

We will get 2 years out of Lewis onfield

hopefully a few more in a coaching role. 

So he is there for the flag in 2018 SWYL?

[Sir Why You Little 34,430]

Just now, old dee said:

So he is there for the flag in 2018 SWYL?

Back to Back Old. Back to Back

Aim high. 

We can beat Geelong next week with the right attitude. 

They were so lucky to scrape through yesterday. 

[Lucifers Hero 36,991]

Here are ALL THE GOALS!

Someone heard the DL cries after only having the 'best' goals last week. On club website, now:

http://www.melbournefc.com.au/

Enjoy them all!

[old dee 22,819]

4 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Back to Back Old. Back to Back

Aim high. 

We can beat Geelong next week with the right attitude. 

They were so lucky to scrape through yesterday. 

So 18 and 19 ?

[AllMyTeamsAreWank 563]

Did anyone see that kick at half forward from Watts in the last quarter that found Hogan?

It almost felt as if he was the only one who saw Hogan running into that space. Everyone around me, including myself expected him to bomb it inside 50 or down the line. Was absolutely sublime.  

[pinkshark 935]

3 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

How good was Garlett run down tackle. Was Aaron Davey like.

And did anyone see Nev Jetta absolutely smoke Kruezer with a huge hip and shouldee. Kruezer went down like a sack of spuds!

superb.  two of many many great efforts all day.  Petracca thinks he is the strongest player in the game and plays like it.  Viney had a fifty fifty contested ball at some point and went in clean with a hip and smashed some carlton sod three feet through the air.  

our hardness is something I havent witnessed in a melbourne side for a long time, if ever  .  Hogan, Oliver, Brayshaw, Kent, Lewis, Melksham, Jones, even the Weed, as underdeveloped as he is showed fierce aggression yesterday.  Happy days.

 

 

[Lucifers Hero 36,991]

2 hours ago, mauriesy said:

Here's a full breakdown of all the teams in a lot of key stats.

In some, there's not a lot of difference between teams, and they are skewed by a small number of players. For example, Melbourne has 58 games of finals experience, but 23 of them belong to Jordan Lewis. Without him we'd down on the bottom with Brisbane.

Melbourne is down towards the bottom of the list for average age, average games, average goals, average finals and players with more than 100 games. It points towards another year or two of development to get into premiership contention, provided there's enough skill on the list.

Interesting reading.

I can't see how they get to 58 finals.  Lewis has 23, Chuck has 1, Bernie has a couple, Hibberd and Melksham might have a couple.

I think Lumumba is included to get it to 58.  Take him out and we may have the lowest finals count.

Take him out and other stats drop:  average age is 22.8 (a fraction older than the youngest team, Brisbane Lions); average games are 52.3, the second least experienced but for Brisbane Lions

etc etc etc

[jumbo returns 6,486]

37 minutes ago, AllMyTeamsAreWank said:

Did anyone see that kick at half forward from Watts in the last quarter that found Hogan?

It almost felt as if he was the only one who saw Hogan running into that space. Everyone around me, including myself expected him to bomb it inside 50 or down the line. Was absolutely sublime.  

Don't talk Wattsy up, AMTAW.....it's not the done thing around these here parts.....

[AllMyTeamsAreWank 563]

Just now, jumbo returns said:

Don't talk Wattsy up, AMTAW.....it's not the done thing around these here parts.....

Some of the criticism on here is really dumb regarding Watts.

Having said that, it was a classic Watts game yesterday. Did some really horrible stuff, which just makes you shake your head. Next minute he'd pop up and do something that not many others could, like the aforementioned kick and a superb pack mark. 

[Engorged Onion 9,254]

3 minutes ago, jumbo returns said:

Don't talk Wattsy up, AMTAW.....it's not the done thing around these here parts.....

love it

[ArtificialWisdom 3,844]

38 minutes ago, AllMyTeamsAreWank said:

Did anyone see that kick at half forward from Watts in the last quarter that found Hogan?

And his switching kick, on the left if you dont mind, to Jones who goals in the first.

[Satyriconhome 9,982]

Just a note on Nev, he regards himself as a defender not a small defender, doesn't care who he has to match up on

Nice to see him finally being recognised, even though he didn't play JLT did heaps of extra work to get himself into a position to be selected Rd1

[drdrake 3,037]

14 minutes ago, AllMyTeamsAreWank said:

Some of the criticism on here is really dumb regarding Watts.

Having said that, it was a classic Watts game yesterday. Did some really horrible stuff, which just makes you shake your head. Next minute he'd pop up and do something that not many others could, like the aforementioned kick and a superb pack mark. 

I really think he carried a thumb injury into the game, I watch him warm up only took chest marks, all the marks he dropped were chest marks waiting for the ball. I can't recall him taking any marks above his head or out in front.

[Jaded No More 57,760]

19 hours ago, Scythe said:

Remember when people questioned Jetta's place in the best 22? 

Most consistent player in Melbourne 

[Freak 100]

Lewis and Hogan will both be missing next week so we should be prepared for that. 

The game was very frustrating. It seemed to me that carlton were clogging up the whole game to make it a scrap and it was. But our decision making and execution was awful basically all day.  Many kicks were 25m-35m passes which either went straight to the opposition or to a 50/50 contest. The risk outweighed the return. Kick it long, or kick it short and keep possession.  

Oliver, love him. He may start getting tagged soon at this rate. 

I'd like to see Petracca at more centre bounces. He isn't the best kick for goal and he has shown to be an elite junior midfielder so throw him in there more often. And offset that by playing him deep forward instead of high half forward.

Tom McDonald is a great defender. Straight up. What he can't do is make good decisions or kick well. That free kick he gave away just about summed up Tom. And 90% of the time he marks the ball he always looks to switch it which is scary stuff. The McDonald brothers as pointed out by Lloyd and Schwartz are our main weaknesses on the ground. Vince and Lewis and Hibberd need to run behind them to get the handoff.  

I personally rate Harmes. Always have. But I might be on my own. Brings tenacity and outside speed. I'd actually pick him before Tyson to be honest. But each to their own. 

Melksham and Stretch are fine. They provide us with outside run. When you've got guys like Viney, Jones, Tyson, Oliver,  Brayshaw, Lewis, Neal-Bullen you need guys with a bit of zip and even though skills wise they are bit iffy, you need the speed. 

Viney has definitely lost a bit of influence on the game the first 2 weeks. Due to the form of Oliver maybe?  

Garlett is always unfairly criticised. He would be one of the first picked each week. 

Salem found the ball and used it well but to be honest, he was drafted as a midfielder so until he improves his fitness and pushes into the midfield then I'll be withholding judgment on him. Great user of the ball but with Vince and Hibberd down there (and lewis at time), i'd rather Salem in the middle hitting lead up forwards.

Hogan, still very demonstrative. I almost wouldn't mind if he missed this week to give Weideman a go without the huffing and puffing of hogan.


 

[old55 21,227]

I've heard unconfirmed Hogan 3 down to 2 and Lewis 4 down to 3!!!

[old55 21,227]

5 minutes ago, Diamond said:

Where did you hear this? Or did you just make it up? Are you a Carlton supporter?

Now official: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-04-03/demons-jordan-lewis-jesse-hogan-dealt-double-blow-by-mrp

[Ron Burgundy 8,584]

11 hours ago, CBDees said:

224 posts and I am surprised that no Demonlanders have referred to the ultimate irony inherent in this win over Carlton, namely the fact that we secured our undisputed match winner in Garlett as a result of his being jettisoned from the Blues. If Garlett had of still been on their list instead of ours, the result would have been massively (6 goals) different, the freakish three goals he snapped for us (plus his goal assists) and the three that he didn't kick for Carlton! In Jason Taylor we trust!

Totally agree CBDees. But I think we can thank Mick Malthouse for this one, not JT.

Garlett, like Lewis, was an absolute gift.

 

[Ron Burgundy 8,584]

2 hours ago, Fifty-5 said:

Now official: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-04-03/demons-jordan-lewis-jesse-hogan-dealt-double-blow-by-mrp

Bloody. Hell.

 

[Lucifers Hero 36,991]

Coaches votes:

10 Christian Salem (Melb)
8 Clayton Oliver (Melb)
3 Patrick Cripps (Carl)
3 Marc Murphy (Carl)
3 Matthew Wright (Carl)
2 Neville Jetta (Melb)
1 Nathan Jones (Melb)

Looks about right.

Delighted that Salem is beginning to make an impact and be recognised.

 

Edit:  Overall Lead:

18 Zach Merrett (Ess)
18 Ollie Wines (PA)
17 Clayton Oliver (Melb)

 

Edited April 3, 2017 by Lucifer's Hero