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JLT Round 4, Thursday 9th March - West Coast at Subiaco

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4 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

I get the feeling Goodwin just prefers defenders with bigger tanks who can run both ways. Melksham, Hunt, Vince, Lewis even James Harmes can push up the ground and link up, spread and then move back in the zone. If we were to play one on one footy Jetta would be one of the first picked, but that's now how Goodwin wants to play. I still think Nev has to at least be a chance for round 1 and if not then he'll be very useful throughout the year especially against certain opponents and as winter sets in and play slows down, but  I can see where Goodwin is coming from.

The big absentee for me is Nev Jetta assuming he's recovered from his injuries - I'm a very big fan - he's great 1:1 against the best small forwards in the AFL - consistency, hardness, agility, nice kicking over short distance.  I think two things might be working against him and the main one is his height at 180.  I think we will continue to play zone defence and we therefore need taller players in the back 6-7 with Melksham the shortest at 185cm.  Nev's strength is his 1:1 against like opponents e.g. Betts or Wingard but we can't guarantee a direct match-up with strict zones.  He plays deep and I noticed last year he got caught out deep against much taller opponents and was out marked in comical mis-matches.  The other factor is his lack of attack, he's not going to provide run and penetration off HB because that's not his strength. 

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Disappointed that Pederson hasn't got a run in any of the JLT games when he was clearly streets ahead of Weiderman's in the intra club.  If Weiderman's is picked round 1, which looks almost certain now, then can't help thinking we are selecting on the basis of player development in preference to selecting our best side to win the game. 

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Can someone confirm this game is 22 players and interchange limits (I thought the last game prior to season start always is). If so we cut 2 and they cut a whole lot more. 

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5 minutes ago, The Chief said:

Disappointed that Pederson hasn't got a run in any of the JLT games when he was clearly streets ahead of Weiderman's in the intra club.  If Weiderman's is picked round 1, which looks almost certain now, then can't help thinking we are selecting on the basis of player development in preference to selecting our best side to win the game. 

Pedo is coming off shoulder surgery 

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5 minutes ago, thesleepinggiant said:

Pedo is coming off shoulder surgery 

Intra club was nearly a month ago now and Pederson competed very strongly back then, so difficult to believe that's the reason he's not being selected, unless he 'tweaked' it or something else in a subsequent session.  

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4 hours ago, sisso said:

It would be exciting to see some good form from Trenners...fingers crossed for him he gets a bit of a run

 

Will only happen if he lost a few kilos over the summer... carries way too much weight for a guy that struggles for acceleration and has a history of foot issues

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17 minutes ago, The Chief said:

Disappointed that Pederson hasn't got a run in any of the JLT games when he was clearly streets ahead of Weiderman's in the intra club.  If Weiderman's is picked round 1, which looks almost certain now, then can't help thinking we are selecting on the basis of player development in preference to selecting our best side to win the game. 

The intraclub was a pretty small sample size. Really barely a half with a fair few Casey guys. Pedda looked pretty good for the back ups team and slotted a few if I remember, but I also remember Weed kicked 1 or 2 and looked decent. Either way, it seems like they've gone with Weed on the back of a good summer of improvement and they see no need to change the team after he's done enough in the first 2 rounds of JLT. When it comes to Weed and Pedda I'd rather back one over the other and give them a good chance before making a switch, otherwise history says we'll be going back and forward between the 2 all year.

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Why no Smith?

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6 minutes ago, The Chief said:

Intra club was nearly a month ago now and Pederson competed very strongly back then, so difficult to believe that's the reason he's not being selected, unless he 'tweaked' it or something else in a subsequent session.  

Pedo has always been hard done by the footy club. I use to shake my head when old mate 'buckets' Dawes would continue to spud it up every week while Pedo would come in every 3rd week and make a solid contribution while in the side.

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I kinda dont mind if we dont get up this week.....If we win, we will start favorites against StKilda.....and you know what happens then.

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Excuse my ignorance, but is Nev Jetta injured or out of touch?

 

Seems crazy that such a reliable backpocket, who has significantly improved his attacking flair is being overlooked for the time being.

Even if Milkshake and Hibbo are playing roles in the back half, I would have thought Jetta was still best 22.

Is it a game style change which is getting him overlooked, or just that Goody prefers others for the time being?

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1 hour ago, The Chief said:

Disappointed that Pederson hasn't got a run in any of the JLT games when he was clearly streets ahead of Weiderman's in the intra club.  If Weiderman's is picked round 1, which looks almost certain now, then can't help thinking we are selecting on the basis of player development in preference to selecting our best side to win the game. 

Weed is a better option than Pedo

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Watts plays well he's in round one. 

This is a really good test for us coming up to round one, quality opposition also fielding a strong line up in Perth. This will give us a good indication of how we're tracking. 

And incidentally, over the course of two NAB/JLT series Goodwin is still yet to taste defeat! Keep it rolling on Goody!

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1 hour ago, Demons11 said:

Weed is a better option than Pedo

Weed has great talent and has a great future ahead of him, but as a young player his form will fluctuate drastically and he also can't provide the option of being a pinch hit ruckman. 

Pedo you'll get an option up forward and at times he can do some really good things, but his biggest asset is that he can be thrown in the ruck. I still don't like Watts going in there. 

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35 minutes ago, Pates said:

Weed has great talent and has a great future ahead of him, but as a young player his form will fluctuate drastically and he also can't provide the option of being a pinch hit ruckman. 

Pedo you'll get an option up forward and at times he can do some really good things, but his biggest asset is that he can be thrown in the ruck. I still don't like Watts going in there. 

My issue is that Pedo is very inconsistent and goes missing in games.  Weed will also do this but as a 20 yr old I prefer that he get game time because he will be 100 times better player than Pedo in the long run. 

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Is it just me, or is this not a very strong squad??

Trengove, Bugg, ANB, Garland, Spencer & Harmes are borderline best 25 players. 

If these guys play round 1 I am getting a bit concerned. Harmes probably hard done by a bit there  

Plus playing Spencer and Gawn is all well and good if Jake can do anything other than ruck. Right now we have the best big man in the AFL and we are going to have to play him forward (where Hogan, Weideman & Watts already are) to fit this other tall in. WAAAAY too top heavy. 

We desperately need Garlett, Kent and  Hibberd back soon! 

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10 minutes ago, parch_37 said:

Is it just me, or is this not a very strong squad??

Trengove, Bugg, ANB, Garland, Spencer & Harmes are borderline best 25 players. 

If these guys play round 1 I am getting a bit concerned. Harmes probably hard done by a bit there  

Plus playing Spencer and Gawn is all well and good if Jake can do anything other than ruck. Right now we have the best big man in the AFL and we are going to have to play him forward (where Hogan, Weideman & Watts already are) to fit this other tall in. WAAAAY too top heavy. 

We desperately need Garlett, Kent and  Hibberd back soon! 

100% agree.

This squad, or anything close to it, is in for a 40-50 point loss in round 1 at Etihad. Bookmark it.

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18 minutes ago, parch_37 said:

Is it just me, or is this not a very strong squad??

Trengove, Bugg, ANB, Garland, Spencer & Harmes are borderline best 25 players. 

If these guys play round 1 I am getting a bit concerned. Harmes probably hard done by a bit there  

Plus playing Spencer and Gawn is all well and good if Jake can do anything other than ruck. Right now we have the best big man in the AFL and we are going to have to play him forward (where Hogan, Weideman & Watts already are) to fit this other tall in. WAAAAY too top heavy. 

We desperately need Garlett, Kent and  Hibberd back soon! 

Don't forget Jetta! 

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2 of the 6 listed automatically drop out due to the further reduction from 24 to 22.  

By round 1 Garlett will have had another 2 weeks recovery from his hamstring - he reportedly trained strongly today and you'd expect him to come straight in.

Bugg and Harmes played nearly every game last year so they are solid citizens. 

So take two out of Spencer, Garland, ANB and Trengove out of the list. Replace another with Garlett.  I think we're in pretty solid shape.

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2 hours ago, Demons11 said:

Weed is a better option than Pedo

Great insight, Thanks!

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Don't think Goody would drop Johnstone if they thought Jeffy and Kent weren't gonna play round 1. Hopefully they can still make an appearance at a Casey practice match or something

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53 minutes ago, parch_37 said:

Is it just me, or is this not a very strong squad??

Trengove, Bugg, ANB, Garland, Spencer & Harmes are borderline best 25 players. 

If these guys play round 1 I am getting a bit concerned. Harmes probably hard done by a bit there  

Plus playing Spencer and Gawn is all well and good if Jake can do anything other than ruck. Right now we have the best big man in the AFL and we are going to have to play him forward (where Hogan, Weideman & Watts already are) to fit this other tall in. WAAAAY too top heavy. 

We desperately need Garlett, Kent and  Hibberd back soon! 

Backline: Hibberd, Jetta, Frost, Wagner
Forward line: Garlett, Kent, Vanders, JKH, Kennedy

There's a few probables and possibles missing at either end but it's our best midfield plus the extra ruck to further strengthen that area. 

I don't think Spencer will play round 1 and if he does I think Watts or Weed will miss out. I don't think Garland or Trengove will play round 1. Bugg and Harmes are pretty reliable, if they are our last 2 picked in the side we can't complain too much. ANB is actually a bit of a wildcard with so many small forwards injured. If he can find a niche as a super hard working pressure forward then he might get a lot more opportunity than last year. He had some ordinary moments but showed a bit against Carlton.

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1 hour ago, Demons11 said:

My issue is that Pedo is very inconsistent and goes missing in games.  Weed will also do this but as a 20 yr old I prefer that he get game time because he will be 100 times better player than Pedo in the long run. 

Disagree.  When he is not doing something good with ball in hand, he is putting on good physical pressure and presence, which the Weed just isn't up to yet.  So many punters here have complained about game being gifted to young players in the past in the name of development and due to lack of depth, so what is the difference here?  Won't nessasrily hurt Weed to spend another year in the VFL while he develops physically.

Someone also mentioned Joel Smith playing ahead of Garland.  Whilst I loved Smith's tackling and defensive pressure, he was shown up big time most times when he had the ball and couldn't dispose of it in good fashion or to the right option.  Was great to give him two games exposure at the top level in preseason, but it's either Garland, Jetta, Frost, Hibbard or Harmes come round one for me. 

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