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14 minutes ago, ProDee said:

The first 5 games of his second year blow everyone else out of the water.  I hope and expect him to keep it up for the remainder of the year.

But when you isolate just his first 18 games I suspect Cripps and Tom Rockliff's numbers would probably be as good.

Cripps started really slowly from memory, only hit his straps in his second year.

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1 minute ago, Clint Bizkit said:

Cripps started really slowly from memory, only hit his straps in his second year.

I'm talking about Cripps first 18 games, not the 3 in his first year.

When you add the first 15 from his excellent second year to the 3 from his first year I think you'll find his first 18 games provide similar output.

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Interestingly the SEN has been discussing live trading and they put forward the 2015 draft with gold coast and melbourne and they suggest that Gold Coast wanted Oliver and traded down from pick 3 to melbourne for pick 5 which they thought that they would still get Oliver later with. Problem was that we grabbed him so early in their thoughts!

In the article from Brett Anderson: "The recent case study involving both the Gold Coast and Melbourne in the 2015 AFL Draft is a prime example of why draft day trading would benefit their list management strategies, as the Suns tried to predict the overall position of late riser Clayton Oliver during the trade period. Clayton Oliver’s stocks kept rising. During trade period Gold Coast was a club that traded down from pick three to five with the idea of being able to get him. The problem was though, is that the pick they traded to Melbourne was the one that came up to take Clayton Oliver,”.

See link: https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/04/27/anderson-why-live-pick-trading-benefits-everyone/

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18 minutes ago, Wunders said:

Interestingly the SEN has been discussing live trading and they put forward the 2015 draft with gold coast and melbourne and they suggest that Gold Coast wanted Oliver and traded down from pick 3 to melbourne for pick 5 which they thought that they would still get Oliver later with. Problem was that we grabbed him so early in their thoughts!

In the article from Brett Anderson: "The recent case study involving both the Gold Coast and Melbourne in the 2015 AFL Draft is a prime example of why draft day trading would benefit their list management strategies, as the Suns tried to predict the overall position of late riser Clayton Oliver during the trade period. Clayton Oliver’s stocks kept rising. During trade period Gold Coast was a club that traded down from pick three to five with the idea of being able to get him. The problem was though, is that the pick they traded to Melbourne was the one that came up to take Clayton Oliver,”.

See link: https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/04/27/anderson-why-live-pick-trading-benefits-everyone/

That's an incredibly dangerous tactic inside the top 5. They rolled the dice and lost. Sorrynotsorry.

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I'm pleased in general - and obviously in hindsight - that we took the exact opposite approach to Gold Coast. Once we identified Oliver as our target, we left nothing to chance regarding how high he would bolt and simply went out and bought the dice. Love that GC probably thought we were maneuvering to secure Parish. 

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2 hours ago, ProDee said:

The first 5 games of his second year blow everyone else out of the water.  I hope and expect him to keep it up for the remainder of the year.

But when you isolate just his first 18 games I suspect Cripps and Tom Rockliff's numbers would probably be as good.

In Cripps' breakout season (2015), he had x4 30+ disposal games. x7 30+ disposal games in 2016.

In Rockliff's breakout season (2010), he had x3 30+ disposal games. It's also worth noting Clarry's CPs are a lot higher than Rockliff's were at the same time. There is a similar correlation between Cripps' CPs and Clarry's though.

I'd argue Oliver's breakout has been this season, rather than last, so he's taken slightly more games to hit 30+ disposals, but is now doing it with such regularity that he's having a steeper climb in form that than other two and being more consistent about it. 

But, we're only 5 games in. It'll be interesting to see how he tracks this year. 

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On 26 February 2017 at 10:35 AM, grazman said:

not sure if he was rested in the last, but suspect he was as when he's on the field he's where the ball is at.

Goes alright does Clarrie - Essendon can keep Parish, I like this guy.

 

On 26 February 2017 at 10:33 AM, dazzledavey36 said:

Another impressive performance by Clarry. A big thing i have noticed is a change of style in his game. His outside work has improved vastly and noticed him running and receiving alot yesterday which was good to see.

Also i notice he didn't have a stat in the last qtr? I watched the game game but i don't remember seeing him? Was he rested?

He was on the bench from at least 15 min mark in the last (approx) for at least 7/8 minutes before they could get him back on I believe. Not sure about the zero stat situation in last. Someone else might enlighten. Maybe off for most of the last with a niggle or just told to hard tag Dusty when on etc

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That goal he gave to Garlett was the most composed kamakaze [censored] I've ever seen. 

What a player. 

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2 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

 

He was on the bench from at least 15 min mark in the last (approx) for at least 7/8 minutes before they could get him back on I believe. Not sure about the zero stat situation in last. Someone else might enlighten. Maybe off for most of the last with a niggle or just told to hard tag Dusty when on etc

You do realise you have quoted me from the JTL game...

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9 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

You do realise you have quoted me from the JTL game...

ditto :)

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He's clocking elite stats now. He's played 18 games. But beyond that, it's plain to see that he's nowhere near yet touched the surface. This is not just some kid who has adjusted early to AFL with a big body. His ceiling is absolutely enormous. If he had played like he did on the weekend just five matches ago we'd be ecstatic, but we've already come to take it for granted. He did four or five things vs. Richmond that would ordinarily be staggering - like no other individual in the AFL could; yet now I just get a quiet little smile.

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Don't want to mozz it but was stoked to snap up the 21.00 odds pre-season on Oliver being our highest Brownlow vote getter. After 5 rounds he's into even money.

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1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

You do realise you have quoted me from the JTL game...

 

1 hour ago, grazman said:

ditto :)

Lol my bad. It's been a big day ? ? ? 

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While I know it won't happen because he is dominating as an inside mid.  I'd like to see him roll forward at some stage.  I seem to recall reading about him kicking some big bags in junior days.  

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On 26 April 2017 at 2:51 PM, ManDee said:

Scary thing is we could have had Sloane, Wines, Martin and Oliver if we drafted better. 

And Shuey. Took Blease instead. It was line ball. Schwab told me this at a Debt Demolition Dinner.

Sloane and Wines are the real tragedies though. Each of them had an arm in an MFC guernsey.

Club didn't even interview Martin. What a disgrace. Roos apparently tried to move heaven and earth to trade for pick 3 to get him to the Swans instead of Richmond. Geez we sucked back then.

 

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31 minutes ago, Ron Burgundy said:

And Shuey. Took Blease instead. It was line ball. Schwab told me this at a Debt Demolition Dinner.

Sloane and Wines are the real tragedies though. Each of them had an arm in an MFC guernsey.

Club didn't even interview Martin. What a disgrace. Roos apparently tried to move heaven and earth to trade for pick 3 to get him to the Swans instead of Richmond. Geez we sucked back then.

 

Here is the Dusty Thread on Demonland before he was drafted.  Maybe some of us should have been running the recruiting department.

 

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47 minutes ago, FireInTheBelly said:

I wonder how he'd go in the ruck

Already done it. 100% so far.

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4 hours ago, Rusty Nails said:

He was on the bench from at least 15 min mark in the last (approx) for at least 7/8 minutes before they could get him back on I believe. Not sure about the zero stat situation in last. Someone else might enlighten. Maybe off for most of the last with a niggle or just told to hard tag Dusty when on etc

I think he had 28 touches to three quarter time, so had 4 touches for the last. Haven't been able to confirm that anywhere though.

4 hours ago, Skuit said:

He's clocking elite stats now. He's played 18 games. But beyond that, it's plain to see that he's nowhere near yet touched the surface. This is not just some kid who has adjusted early to AFL with a big body. His ceiling is absolutely enormous. If he had played like he did on the weekend just five matches ago we'd be ecstatic, but we've already come to take it for granted. He did four or five things vs. Richmond that would ordinarily be staggering - like no other individual in the AFL could; yet now I just get a quiet little smile.

I don't. I yell it out and commentate his every disposal. He's a genius. The most exciting footballer I've ever watched in a Melbourne jumper. Ahead of Jesse, Hunt, the Wiz, Davey, Gaz, Schwarz and for a short time, Jackovich. 

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8 hours ago, A F said:

I think he had 28 touches to three quarter time, so had 4 touches for the last. Haven't been able to confirm that anywhere though.

I don't. I yell it out and commentate his every disposal. He's a genius. The most exciting footballer I've ever watched in a Melbourne jumper. Ahead of Jesse, Hunt, the Wiz, Davey, Gaz, Schwarz and for a short time, Jackovich. 

1st Robbie 2nd Jakovich 3rd Schwartz/Oliver  

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13 hours ago, Deestroy All said:

That goal he gave to Garlett was the most composed kamakaze [censored] I've ever seen. 

What a player. 

The first handball to space in that chain was brilliant. How did he even find space in that pack? Then he somehow ran on to it himself, received an illegal high tackle and somehow got it to Garlett. 

I'm pretty sure he has some kind of telekinetic power over the ball. I haven't seen another human who can do these things so often.

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34 minutes ago, ManDee said:

1st Robbie 2nd Jakovich 3rd Schwartz/Oliver  

I was born in 1987, so only saw videos of Robbie.

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48 minutes ago, A F said:

I was born in 1987, so only saw videos of Robbie.

Salems height, Cale Mortons body, Vineys courage and skills of Ablett.

  Image result for robert flower afl Look at those powerful arms.Image result for robert flower afl

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17 hours ago, hells bells said:

While I know it won't happen because he is dominating as an inside mid.  I'd like to see him roll forward at some stage.  I seem to recall reading about him kicking some big bags in junior days.  

Oh it will happen soon enough.  Nothing is surer.

 

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