The adventures of President Donald Gump

[dieter 3,325]

41 minutes ago, Macca said:

 

Hillary is finished and the democrats are background noise (for now anyway) 

If anything, I despise Hilarious/NOT more than Trump because she was even more dishonest. 

[Macca 16,173]

12 minutes ago, dieter said:

If anything, I despise Hilarious/NOT more than Trump because she was even more dishonest. 

We may as well be talking about a would-be coach at the MFC. 

The only thing that matters is the bloke who got the job. 

[Bluey's Dad 3,419]

31 minutes ago, Macca said:

We may as well be talking about a would-be coach at the MFC. 

The only thing that matters is the bloke who got the job. 

Yep.

And right now I reckon he's doing a pretty terrible job.

At least Mark Neeld had a honeymoon - Trump's been terrible since day 1.

And now his national security adviser has resigned.

I honestly believe we'll be evaluating the performance of President Pence by the end of the year, such is the rate at which Trump is lurching from one self-inflicted crisis to another.

[Wrecker45 3,378]

3 hours ago, Choke said:

As much as I'd hate to agree with old Ben up there, he's right, the electoral college is a good system (or at least it achieves one vital aim).

Without it, the Democrats win pretty much every election because the bulk of the US population reside in California and the North Eastern blue states. It's where most of the wealth is generated too. Without the collage, the rural communities get screwed - which I believe was a central issue in this last election.

There are a lot of visuals around that show the heavily slanted population distribution in the US. I find this one is the most illustrative:

 

 

 

 

This one is just as important, showing where the US generates its wealth:

 

 

 

 

 

The wealth in the USA is extremely concentrated.

The electoral college prevents these areas from running roughshod over the needs of those who live in the other areas.

 

I suppose it's ironic that in the case of the last election, the college allowed for the election of a billionaire from one of those centres (New York) claiming he represented the 'working class' rural communities.

 

And just while I'm on graphics, this one is pretty interesting too (brought to my attention when a mate linked me a John Oliver clip - whatever you think of him, the stat here is pretty staggering):

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

 

Adding those figures up, 69% of what Trump says is a lie (this excludes the 'half true' figure of 14%).

This is flat out dangerous. You can't make policies based on lies. Actually, maybe you can. But you shouldn't.

 

 

Also, just for the lols:

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(I know, out of context etc, I just think it's a funny gif)

 

 

Choke - how does the fact checker work? Is 15% lies over Trump's lifetime, his political career or just the statements that the fact checkers bother to check?

[Macca 16,173]

1 minute ago, Choke said:

Yep.

And right now I reckon he's doing a pretty terrible job.

At least Mark Neeld had a honeymoon - Trump's been terrible since day 1.

And now his national security adviser has resigned.

I honestly believe we'll be evaluating the performance of President Pence by the end of the year, such is the rate at which Trump is lurching from one self-inflicted crisis to another.

You should have a wager with Wrecker re your last paragraph.

He's up for it whilst I've decided to opt out of such daliances!! 

[Wrecker45 3,378]

Just now, Macca said:

You should have a wager with Wrecker re your last paragraph.

He's up for it whilst I've decided to opt out of such daliances!! 

Thanks Macca.

I thought you lefties wanted to ban advertising for gambling agencies when the odds are stacked completely in their favour?

I'm holding all bets on Trump lasting his term at even money. Step right up...

[Bluey's Dad 3,419]

8 minutes ago, Wrecker45 said:

Choke - how does the fact checker work? Is 15% lies over Trump's lifetime, his political career or just the statements that the fact checkers bother to check?

It's more like 69% lies (Mostly False plus False plus Pants on Fire).

Their selection criteria is found here:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2013/nov/01/principles-politifact-punditfact-and-truth-o-meter/

 

If you'd like to see the claims themselves:

Pants on Fire claims by Trump

False claims by Trump

Mostly False claims by Trump

 

[Macca 16,173]

6 minutes ago, Wrecker45 said:

Thanks Macca.

I thought you lefties wanted to ban advertising for gambling agencies when the odds are stacked completely in their favour?

I'm holding all bets on Trump lasting his term at even money. Step right up...

I'm not a leftie Wrecker ... I'm cynical about all sides of politics. 

[Bluey's Dad 3,419]

15 minutes ago, Macca said:

You should have a wager with Wrecker re your last paragraph.

He's up for it whilst I've decided to opt out of such daliances!! 

I don't place bets for money.

Happy to do a Pro-Dee Jack Watts style demonland avatar one though. @Wrecker45?

 

[Lucifers Hero 36,991]

19 hours ago, nutbean said:

one down.

National Security Adviser - Mike Flynn has resigned. Not unusual to lose staff - but 25 days in, to lose a new appointee for "inadvertently briefing the President and Vice President with incomplete information" - is not a good look. 

Sean Spicer will be next.  He can't get the correct pronunciation of names of Heads of State.  His latest faux pas was "Joe" Trudeau and he was reading from a script which said Justin Trudeau, Prime Minster of Canada.  Not that hard really!

And it seems Trump has it in for him and his ill fitting suits and was most aghast at the parody of Spicer on SNL!!

No, Spicer won't last long.

[Wrecker45 3,378]

6 minutes ago, Macca said:

I'm not a leftie Wrecker ... I'm cynical about all sides of politics. 

Could i call you a sceptic? What is your stance on co2 driving climate change?

[Macca 16,173]

2 minutes ago, Wrecker45 said:

Could i call you a sceptic? What is your stance on co2 driving climate change?

In the middle haha

[Earl Hood 5,788]

3 hours ago, Choke said:

The wealth in the USA is extremely concentrated.

The electoral college prevents these areas from running roughshod over the needs of those who live in the other areas

Choke

I don't think there is much evidence that  U.S. electoral college has prevented the wealthy from running roughshod over anybody they choose to in the US.!

[Macca 16,173]

I do have strong stances though ...

Gun laws in the USA - riiculous

$7.40 minimum wage - even more ridiculous

2.8 million incarcerated ... words fail me. 

Who do I blame ... both Democrats & Republicans.  They are as bad as each other. 

It pays to not be welded/rusted on to either side. 

[nutbean 8,837]

7 minutes ago, Macca said:

 

It pays to not be welded/rusted on to either side. 

I have this embroidered in gold lame thread on my jacket.

[Wrecker45 3,378]

42 minutes ago, Choke said:

I don't place bets for money.

Happy to do a Pro-Dee Jack Watts style demonland avatar one though. @Wrecker45?

 

Choke - I will put it to you that the fact I am willing to bet and put my money where my mouth is. Is because I am centre right, conservative and worry about real world problems that are measurable. Unlike, unaccountable left wing theory, that never eventuates. I wouldn't bet on that either.

[Wrecker45 3,378]

38 minutes ago, Macca said:

In the middle haha

You can't be half pregnant.

[Wrecker45 3,378]

31 minutes ago, Macca said:

I do have strong stances though ...

Gun laws in the USA - riiculous

$7.40 minimum wage - even more ridiculous

2.8 million incarcerated ... words fail me. 

Who do I blame ... both Democrats & Republicans.  They are as bad as each other. 

It pays to not be welded/rusted on to either side. 

 

Gun laws in USA are ridiculous. Thank goodness we had Howard to fix our local problem.

$7.40 Minimum wage is ridiculous. Thank goodness we had Abbott to stop the boats and illegal immigrants undercuting the minimum wage in droves.

 

[Biffen 12,323]

18 minutes ago, Macca said:

I do have strong stances though ...

Gun laws in the USA - riiculous

$7.40 minimum wage - even more ridiculous

2.8 million incarcerated ... words fail me. 

Who do I blame ... both Democrats & Republicans.  They are as bad as each other. 

It pays to not be welded/rusted on to either side. 

 Agree.

 

[Bluey's Dad 3,419]

47 minutes ago, Earl Hood said:

Choke

I don't think there is much evidence that  U.S. electoral college has prevented the wealthy from running roughshod over anybody they choose to in the US.!

lol, I must concede!

 

16 minutes ago, Wrecker45 said:

Choke - I will put it to you that the fact I am willing to bet and put my money where my mouth is. Is because I am centre right, conservative and worry about real world problems that are measurable. Unlike, unaccountable left wing theory, that never eventuates. I wouldn't bet on that either.

 

I simply don't bet money on anything, it's a blanket rule I've applied to my life. It has nothing to do with the strength of my view that somehow he'll be ousted by years' end.

If it's a cash bet you're after then maybe someone else will take you up on it. As I said, happy to bet the shame of changing demonland avatars or something like that.

edit: spelling

Edited February 15, 2017 by Choke

[Biffen 12,323]

 

[Macca 16,173]

15 minutes ago, Wrecker45 said:

You can't be half pregnant.

We possibly/probably need safeguards just in case but I'm not convinced with the arguments either way. 

I'm generally cautious so cutting down on emissions makes sense (if one is a cautious type) 

 

[daisycutter 28,485]

59 minutes ago, Macca said:

....

It pays to not be welded/rusted on to either side. 

as in "neither a zealot or ideologue be" 

[Macca 16,173]

28 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

as in "neither a zealot or ideologue be" 

It's difficult for one to be all-in on a party when one continually questions all sorts of policies that that party might have. 

 

[dieter 3,325]

56 minutes ago, Biffen said:

 Agree.

 

I thought you were up the river with Kurz and your tub of butter.