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8 minutes ago, The heart beats true said:

You guys are so biased towards Grimes. The bloke has had 100 games to prove his worth, and honestly he hasn't shown what it takes to be valuable to the team in the modern game.

Kennedy has 70 odd less games and 4 years on him. 

He left collingwood becauise he could not get a regular game.

He cannot get a regular game at Melbourne.

There is a simularity there.

 

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Kennedy was averaging 17 touches and just under a goal a game, and is a renowned competitor. Just because he's playing VFL at the minute doesn't mean he's not good enough for AFL. 

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12 minutes ago, old dee said:

Kennedy is your classic too good for VFL not good enough for AFL.

And to top it off he is too short.

Tell that to Caleb Daniel 

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3 minutes ago, Sylvia Saint said:

Kennedy was averaging 17 touches and just under a goal a game, and is a renowned competitor. Just because he's playing VFL at the minute doesn't mean he's not good enough for AFL. 

So after a good game last week why is he not playing topmorrow?

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2 minutes ago, chook fowler said:

Tell that to Caleb Daniel 

Chook see my previous comment.

If you are short you have to be very good.

He is not very good.

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Kennedy is a hard nut who excels at VFL level, he is still young enough to have an upside. He has already played some good games at AFL level. He is a keeper!

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9 minutes ago, old dee said:

It is if you are not very good.

If you are short you need to be very good at AFL to make it.

He is not very good.

Then he would just be tall and not very good.

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Is a bloke being too short the same as a bloke being not long enough?

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3 minutes ago, old dee said:

Chook see my previous comment.

If you are short you have to be very good.

He is not very good.

Fair enough but I still think he has some upside. Time will tell

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6 minutes ago, old dee said:

So after a good game last week why is he not playing topmorrow?

Because we have one, yes one (and debatable at that) player missing from our best 22 at present. That means some perfectly capable AFL players will miss out. There's a difference between not being in side's best 22 and not being up to AFL level. Kennedy has played 15 games this year and done ok. 

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34 minutes ago, old dee said:

Agree Dante.

If Grimes  cannot get a game 39 disposals then why should Kennedy?

you have to factor in that a lot of players in this game got high disposal figures and the opposition was woeful

however, agreed grimes has consistently racked up the disposals and must be feeling overlooked

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50 minutes ago, Dante said:

 

Grimes is making it hard for the selectors to ignore him.  Would love to know his disposal average over the last 6 Casey games.

 

Trenners is also putting his case forward.

 

 

The MFC brains trust understands the difference between AFL level footy and VFL footy.  They'll remember his last AFL game, which exposed his deficiencies.  He could have 50 disposals in the VFL and it wouldn't excite me.  Grimes is finished at AFL level. 

Oliver is a different kettle of fish.  His attributes are fantastic at any level. 

Ben Kennedy is an exceptional VFL player and can contribute at AFL level, but I doubt he'll ever be more than a fringe player in a good team. 

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1 hour ago, KC from Casey said:

It's all over with the Scorpions winning in a canter by 78 points

Casey Scorpions 2.9.21 6.12.48 14.17.101 16.20.116

Coburg 1.0.6 3.0.18 4.0.24 6.2.38

Goals

Casey Scorpions Terlich Weideman 3 Michie Neal-Bullen 2 D Collis Kennedy Pedersen Scott J Smith Trengove

Coburg Saad 3 Hill Posar Ronke

Best

Casey Scorpions Newton Michie Neal-Bullen Weideman Terlich Keilty

Coburg Lehmann Fox Hunt Featherstone Kovacevic Gregory

Disposals Grimes Kennedy 39 Oliver 36 Newton 34 Michie Trengove 30 Morris 26 Terlich 25

Interesting that the top three possession getters didn't make the best players.

I know Oliver's still very much an inside player and the club wants him to become a more well rounded footballer but surely he's done enough to earn a recall for next week when Melbourne comes off yet another six day break?

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Weideman named 4th best, anyone have his stats?  Besides the 3 goals

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1 hour ago, ProDee said:

The MFC brains trust understands the difference between AFL level footy and VFL footy.  They'll remember his last AFL game, which exposed his deficiencies.  He could have 50 disposals in the VFL and it wouldn't excite me.  Grimes is finished at AFL level. 

No he isn't.

If the club lets him go, as looks increasingly likely, he will get a fresh start elsewhere and it wouldn't surprise me at all if he is a regular contributor in a halfback role.

He had a poor game against Saints. He was pushed forward more as I recall which ultimately didn't suit him. He was in healthy company that day but isn't afforded the leniency that others get. The week before he was more than decent.

So of his two opportunities he had one good, one bad, and out he goes. Still, at least they got him to 100 games.

If no club picks up a player like Grimes I'll be amazed. Is he really that much worse than Jed Adcock, for example? Age wise he is at his peak as a footballer and on today's evidence he'd arguably be one of Richmond's top handful of players at the minute.

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3 hours ago, olisik said:

He kicks one and does next to nothing else and now his Wayne Carey? Jesus Christ.....pretty sure 99.9% of people right now would align him more to Lucas Cook then Wayne Carey.

 

Just hope he hasnt been watching too much of Dawes marking methods. Certainly not a one grabber at this point :-S

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20 minutes ago, P-man said:

No he isn't.

If the club lets him go, as looks increasingly likely, he will get a fresh start everywhere and it wouldn't surprise me at all if he is a regular contributor in a halfback role.

He had a poor game against Saints. He was pushed forward more as I recall which ultimately didn't suit him. He was in healthy company that day but isn't afforded the leniency that others get. The week before he was more than decent.

So of his two opportunities he had one good, one bad, and out he goes. Still, at least they got him to 100 games.

If no club picks up a player like Grimes I'll be amazed. Is he really that much worse than Jed Adcock, for example? Age wise he is at his peak as a footballer and on today's evidence he'd arguably be one of Richmond's top handful of players at the minute.

If a club takes Grimes it is because he is an FA and they get him for free.  I doubt they would trade for him. 

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4 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

If a club takes Grimes it is because he is an FA and they get him for free.  I doubt they would trade for him. 

The point remains that I don't believe he is finished at AFL level.

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51 minutes ago, Whispering_Jack said:

Interesting that the top three possession getters didn't make the best players.

I know Oliver's still very much an inside player and the club wants him to become a more well rounded footballer but surely he's done enough to earn a recall for next week when Melbourne comes off yet another six day break?

I guess it depends on how the team plays tomz ?

 

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25 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Jack Grimes was BOG again today... as he was last week (will poll very well in the VFL best & fairest). 

No he wasn't. Michie was by a mile and has been in the best 2 for the last 4 games. He was terrific again today but I realise that he has been written of on this blog. He will do well in Casey's b&F and at 50's for the Liston is worth a few bob on winning that as well, particularly ass he will play the rest of the season at Casey. Missed by 2 votes last year (from 8 games when the winner played 18). Michie played HBF for the whole game and still kicked 2.

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1 hour ago, old dee said:

It is if you are not very good.

If you are short you need to be very good at AFL to make it.

He is not very good.

Correct, for his size he needs to have elite finishing skills, he doesn't. 

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