Dumbest players and coaches in the AFL?

[Gorgoroth 12,972]

We have a team full of players who love to over handball in situations where a kick is the much better option.

At first I thought this may just be the players panicking, but no, this has kept occurring week after week after week.

We obviously have the dumbest game plan where we would rather handball three times when streaming out of the centre until all the forwards have led and by the time they have stopped stuffing around with it (if we haven't turned it over or handball end at each other's feet) and actually want to kick it, there is no decent forward open.

Bloody sick and tired of seeing this.

The coaches surely have to see this stupidity and rectify it, but they haven't yet and I don't believe they will.

We will continue to lose games but putting ourselves in where we invite the pressure upon ourselves. The best teams do not stuff around with it as much as we do.

[What 18,810]

Would like to see Roos hand over to Goodwin this week.

Roos has had his time, hes done some good work but shown he cant get us a breakthrough win and we are looking at an 8-9 win season, which is a bad return for his third year.  The fact our best winning streak under him is 2, achieved just once, says a lot.

Edited July 23, 2016 by Petraccattack

[The heart beats true 18,128]

7 minutes ago, Petraccattack said:

Would like to see Roos hand over to Goodwin this week.

Roos has had his time, hes done some good work but shown he cant get us a breakthrough win and we are looking at an 8-9 win season, which is a bad return for his third year.  The fact our best winning streak under him is 2, achieved just once, says a lot.

For what purpose? They've been coached for 10 months to follow a game plan, changing it now would be next to impossible and an utter waste of time.

You don't show young players that the key to success is chopping and changing. It's actually doing the small things well - over and over again. Success is a habit.

 

[What 18,810]

Just now, The heart beats true said:

For what purpose? They've been coached for 10 months to follow a game plan, changing it now would be next to impossible and an utter waste of time.

You don't show young players that the key to success is chopping and changing. It's actually doing the small things well - over and over again. Success is a habit.

 

 

They are playing Goodwins gameplan already.  He may as well step into the chair now.  If they arent playing his gameplan now, then everything will have to be changed over the summer.

[DeeSpencer 25,723]

I didn't think the plan was all that bad today. West Coast have a great aerial defence led by McGovern. Bombing it to him does no good. 

It's really the lack of decisive kick when running free that gets me, but from what I saw in summer there was a certain plan to get the ball forward quickly. 

We just have a few too many midfielders and half forwards who struggle to get in to space with time to hit a target and we still need more forwards who demand. It's Hogan, Watts and that's about it. Garlett doesn't lead up as much as he should. No one has faith in Dawes. Otherwise it's kids and midfielders forward.

[beelzebub 23,380]

The amount of handballing is either condoned... or instruction. 

Either way tis still dumb dumb dumb.

[DeeSpencer 25,723]

I'm more worried about the repeated moments of dumb footy from individual players than the game plan.

Oscar not chasing down the Kennedy kick. 

Gawn manning the mark from a slow play whilst his opponent ran down the line.

It's hard to see the number of players who make really smart examples for the rest of the team to follow.

[Mach5 4,767]

1 hour ago, beelzebub said:

The amount of handballing is either condoned... or instruction. 

Either way tis still dumb dumb dumb.

 

Incorrect statement.

[Biffen 12,944]

12 hours ago, beelzebub said:

The amount of handballing is either condoned... or instruction. 

Either way tis still dumb dumb dumb.

As a former defender I hated teams streaming through the middle with handball.when the confidence lifts it will be unstoppable.

[Roost It 1,434]

Look folks it's a place for all the "KICK IT" people.

How nice

[Gorgoroth 12,972]

It's not "the kick it" people. Its the peoples front of "kick the ball instead of over using it and causing the forwards to be out of position or turn it over with over use."

 

Of course there is times to run and handball. But we over do it time and time again. 

Running out of a centre clearance with no one near tgey will still look to handball to each other. The Hawks and other good teams get it ling to tgeir forwards in a one on one.

I bet Hogan would prefer it. 

[leucopogon 1,519]

Hogan doesn't know where or when to run, that is when he actually can be bothered moving from his patented spot next to the behind post. He reads the play coming in almost as badly as some of the Year 3 juniors I coach.

[deeflog 679]

14 hours ago, Petraccattack said:

Would like to see Roos hand over to Goodwin this week.

Roos has had his time, hes done some good work but shown he cant get us a breakthrough win and we are looking at an 8-9 win season, which is a bad return for his third year.  The fact our best winning streak under him is 2, achieved just once, says a lot.

Geelong at Geelong?

[Fork 'em 6,984]

14 hours ago, Petraccattack said:

 

They are playing Goodwins gameplan already.  He may as well step into the chair now.   

Exactly, that's why Roos has been whining about our defence.
We are far more attacking now and it goes against his defensive principles.
 

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

If we have a structure whereby there is always an option forward of the ball (preferably not outnumbered) to kick to then we wouldn't overuse the ball so much.

That's the issue here.

[Bossdog 2,002]

1 hour ago, leucopogon said:

Hogan doesn't know where or when to run, that is when he actually can be bothered moving from his patented spot next to the behind post. He reads the play coming in almost as badly as some of the Year 3 juniors I coach.

Hahahaha.....Please.....He kicked 44.19 in his first season and is on track to kick over 50 in his second....What more do you want from a 21 year old playing as a key position forward?   

[Satyriconhome 10,879]

1 hour ago, leucopogon said:

Hogan doesn't know where or when to run, that is when he actually can be bothered moving from his patented spot next to the behind post. He reads the play coming in almost as badly as some of the Year 3 juniors I coach.

I thought you were coaching them, and they still read it badly?

[Gorgoroth 12,972]

10 hours ago, Clint Bizkit said:

If we have a structure whereby there is always an option forward of the ball (preferably not outnumbered) to kick to then we wouldn't overuse the ball so much.

That's the issue here.

The worst times are out of a centre bounce situation. So often we handball it two-three times when it's just not the right option.

[Wiseblood 24,637]

On 7/23/2016 at 7:16 PM, Gorgoroth said:

We have a team full of players who love to over handball in situations where a kick is the much better option.

At first I thought this may just be the players panicking, but no, this has kept occurring week after week after week.

We obviously have the dumbest game plan where we would rather handball three times when streaming out of the centre until all the forwards have led and by the time they have stopped stuffing around with it (if we haven't turned it over or handball end at each other's feet) and actually want to kick it, there is no decent forward open.

Bloody sick and tired of seeing this.

The coaches surely have to see this stupidity and rectify it, but they haven't yet and I don't believe they will.

We will continue to lose games but putting ourselves in where we invite the pressure upon ourselves. The best teams do not stuff around with it as much as we do.

No we don't.

If it was the worst then we would be in the bottom 4.

Clearly our gameplan works - it overuses the handball a little, and a young side will make some glaring mistakes at times, but the gameplan has shown that it CAN stand up to opposition in the Top 8 (North, WCE, Hawthorn), but it needs everyone to play their role and to play it for 120 minutes.  When it falls down, we do too.

[beelzebub 23,380]

23 hours ago, Mach5 said:

 

Incorrect statement.

How ?

[leucopogon 1,519]

12 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

I thought you were coaching them, and they still read it badly?

The year 3s are learning the game 1 year into junior footy, they are a work in progress. Hogan could be doing much better, and should be, why he isn't is the million dollar question. I won't be surprised if he decides to leave.

Edited July 24, 2016 by leucopogon

[jnrmac 20,104]

14 hours ago, leucopogon said:

Hogan doesn't know where or when to run, that is when he actually can be bothered moving from his patented spot next to the behind post. He reads the play coming in almost as badly as some of the Year 3 juniors I coach.

Your avatar is pretty apt

[Demon Disciple 12,179]

17 hours ago, leucopogon said:

Hogan doesn't know where or when to run

This is partly because he is more of a natural CHF, always roaming and always leading up to the play. Whereas when deep forward, his run and timing of leads is way more dependent on the midfield delivering the ball deep into the forward line.

A FF needs to wait until the ball comes to him, whilst a CHF can go to the ball and get it.

Hogan wants to dictate the play, not be dictated by it. Hence why he'd be a better player if he were to play @ CHF.

Edited July 24, 2016 by Demon Disciple

[leucopogon 1,519]

8 hours ago, Demon Disciple said:

This is partly because he is more of a natural CHF, always roaming and always leading up to the play. Whereas when deep forward, his run and timing of leads is way more dependent on the midfield delivering the ball deep into the forward line.

A FF needs to wait until the ball comes to him, whilst a CHF can go to the ball and get it.

Hogan wants to dictate the play, not be dictated by it. Hence why he'd be a better player if he were to play @ CHF.

There were a number of occasions during the game when Hogan played from behind against two men (McKenzie and McGovern) while the ball was coming in from the broadcast side against a stiff breeze. It was dumb play and was never going to work and it never did work. I wish he would play in front more instead of calling for it out the back most of the time. 

Also, the badly timed leads from full forward happened heaps as well. He was either going far too early when the mids were doing the ring a rosy handball or waiting too late, hoping for the one ocer the top where he can nudge his opponent under it. 

Twas a dog of a day for Hogan. Hope he learns from it.

Edited July 25, 2016 by leucopogon

[Mach5 4,767]

13 hours ago, beelzebub said:

How ?

Condoned or instructed... you can't think of any other possibilities?