POST MATCH DISCUSSION - Round 15

[Forest Demon 4,681]

That was frustrating. The Crows were off and that was more than winnable. Sloppiness cost us big time. The number of handballs that were off just enough to put the receiver under the pump was very frustrating.

[Tony Tea 2,809]

1 minute ago, leave it to deever said:

Perhaps we have finally realised now how bad were the the years prior to Roos

Yes. We are coming from further back than any side in memory.

[Chris 2,892]

20 minutes ago, Demonised said:

First ten minutes of the third quarter, they kicked four unanswered goals. Crucial. Should have been us.

First 10 minutes? They kicked 4 in 4 minutes of play. Our players came out asleep and it cost us the game. 

[Forest Demon 4,681]

If that is all Dawesy brings the table, give me the Peddy bear any day of the week.

I think there is nothing to lose blooding Weideman and/or Hulett for a handful of games now.

[stuie 7,374]

19 minutes ago, leave it to deever said:

It seems that Pedo v Dawes is settled

 

 

Sure is. Anytime Dawes is fit, Roos picks him over Pedo.

 

[Forest Demon 4,681]

1 minute ago, Chris said:

First 10 minutes? They kicked 4 in 4 minutes of play. Our players came out asleep and it cost us the game. 

After 6 minutes of the 3rd, it was 5 goals to 1, and a handy margin quickly turned into a small mountain to climb. As I said earlier, Adelaide were off and ripe for the picking, we just didn't grab the game by the scruff of it.

[stuie 7,374]

7 minutes ago, Ricky P said:

Cool, well you're in the right place, because if there's one thing you won't find on an internet forum, it's predictions, guesses and opinions.

You're hanging your hat on "Oh but we'll win against one of them soon because I say so, so everything is great!".

 

[Ricky P 757]

That's the first loss that has genuinely hurt in about 10 years! I really think we could've won and would still be a sneaky chance of the finals if we had. I spose that's a good thing.

Clearly, the bit that cost us was the first five minutes of the third! We came out asleep and copped 4 goals in 5 minutes! I was hoping we would do that and ice the game. 

We over handball against the good sides because they put more pressure on us. This means that the first or second handball in the chain is slightly off and puts the receiver under pressure meaning they have to handball again, rather than have the time to pick out a kick. It's really not simply a case of the players choosing to handball instead of kick. It  will get better as the team gets better.

There's a lot to be excited about. As disappointing as the loss was, we had them on the run for large parts of that game. And, I know we've all been waiting a long time, but we are actually younger than we have been in either of Roos' first two years. I'm bloody excited about the future.

And I think Jayden Hunt might be my favourite player!

 

[Ricky P 757]

1 minute ago, stuie said:

You're hanging your hat on "Oh but we'll win against one of them soon because I say so, so everything is great!".

 

I thought you weren't interested in guesses and predictions?

[Skin Deeamond 339]

7 minutes ago, Tony Tea said:

Yes. We are coming from further back than any side in memory.

Brisbane bears.

fitzroy.

[stuie 7,374]

Just now, Ricky P said:

I thought you weren't interested in guesses and predictions?

I'm not. See how that works?

 

[Skin Deeamond 339]

30 minutes ago, Demonised said:

First ten minutes of the third quarter, they kicked four unanswered goals. Crucial. Should have been us.

This was likely because their coach gave them a roasting at halftime. We should have anticipated their vigour.

[Skin Deeamond 339]

5 minutes ago, stuie said:

I'm not. See how that works?

 

Now, now girls, kiss and make up.

[leave it to deever 17,511]

Interesting that Roos gave Bernie a huge rap on Friday as one of our great players. Always the way.

 

[Ricky P 757]

1 minute ago, stuie said:

I'm not. See how that works?

 

Ok. So why did you challenge my prediction if you're not interested in it? 

Anyway, your assertion that our improvement is brought into question by the fact that we haven't beaten anyone that we didn't beat last year is a false economy. We didn't beat Essendon last year. Would you be confident of our improvement had we beaten them by a point? Would you be unimpressed if we beat the doggies or the cats by 20 goals? It's just a stupid stat. We'll probably win a couple out of Freo, Saints and Carlton. Does that make us world beaters in your eyes?

[At the break of Gawn 4,460]

That 3rd qtr barrage of early goals killed us. They got easy centre clearances which resulted in quick one-on-ones that their forwards won. Roos then had to play Watts as a loose man to stop the rot which also hampered our ability to kick more goals that qtr too.

[Skin Deeamond 339]

Just now, leave it to deever said:

Interesting that Roos gave Bernie a huge rap on Friday as one of our great players. Always the way.

 

Public wanking is never a good idea in the run up to a game.

[Chris 2,892]

7 minutes ago, Skin D said:

Brisbane bears.

fitzroy.

We were worse than either of them easily. We basically went 2 years where we could only beat the 2 new teams. 

[titan_uranus 25,016]

That might be the most frustrating loss we've had in years.

I disagree with those who think Adelaide was "off". They played this game how they play every game. Do they have a single player out injured? (Seedsman maybe?). But we tightened up in the contest in the second quarter and hit them harder. We forced them into mistakes through the middle and we were bold going forward. They lifted in the third and for the first 5 minutes we couldn't match them at all, but we steadied and evened it up. Had Kennedy not rushed his shot on goal in the fourth, we'd have had all the momentum and only 3 points down. Could have played out very differently from there.

It felt like 23 vs 21 out there with Dawes. Every time he went near it he stuffed it up. Can't mark, can hardly move, can't kick, can't handpass, can't or won't ruck. Must, must be dropped.

Compare him to Watts who was brilliant everywhere (bar the goal he gave up to Betts when he went to ground). Rucked, spent time at FB, and still dominated forward with 3 goals.

Garlett showed why we need him firing in our seniors. Kent was much improved. It's all been said but Hunt is a gem. Petracca showed he can move through the forward line. Jetta again stood up as a true leader down there.

In defence, I actually thought that, as defenders, Frost, TMac and even OMac looked fine. The problem is when we take possession - all three are awful kicks (OMac is scared of kicking it, though), all three make poor decisions, TMac and Frost try to take it on without thinking too often. Defensively, I was impressed, but I was disappointed offensively with these three.

Gutted, but there is still plenty to work with.

Finally, to quell all the crap from people who don't think we've improved because we haven't beaten anyone we didn't beat last year (a pretty dumb analysis IMO), the fact we are this upset about losing to a premiership contender who has hardly been troubled for the last six weeks should, when coupled with watching us play, explain to you that your analysis is baseless.

[Sir Why You Little 37,034]

19 minutes ago, leave it to deever said:

Perhaps we have finally realised now how bad were the the years prior to Roos

I think most of knew how bad it was during 2012-13

it couldn't get any worse. 

[Wizza 170]

Too many mistakes that cost us. Tysons dropped mark in the last which resulted in an Adelaide goal and ultimately ended our chances is just one example of an error riddled game. The fact we are competitive after turning the ball over so many times give me hope. Just need to stop screwing things up.

[stuie 7,374]

1 minute ago, Ricky P said:

Ok. So why did you challenge my prediction if you're not interested in it? 

Anyway, your assertion that our improvement is brought into question by the fact that we haven't beaten anyone that we didn't beat last year is a false economy. We didn't beat Essendon last year. Would you be confident of our improvement had we beaten them by a point? Would you be unimpressed if we beat the doggies or the cats by 20 goals? It's just a stupid stat. We'll probably win a couple out of Freo, Saints and Carlton. Does that make us world beaters in your eyes?

We lost to Essendon. You can live in fantasy land if you want, up to you.

The rest of your post is just silly, winning games is not "just a stat", it's the whole point.

And again, I'm not interested in "we'll probably win....", how has that worked out for us in the past?

Talking about improvement, not being "World beaters".

 

 

[leave it to deever 17,511]

12 minutes ago, stuie said:

Sure is. Anytime Dawes is fit, Roos picks him over Pedo.

 

Dawes does compete and throws his 105 kg around but he cant mark or kick goals. He just isnt that skilled. He was great in Collingwood as a second to Cloke in a team that provided much delivery but he is a shadow of that player today. Maybe its confidence but we wont win games with him in our forward line.

A third forward tall is desperately needed. Peferably one that can ruck

[Demonised 1,354]

16 minutes ago, Chris said:

First 10 minutes? They kicked 4 in 4 minutes of play. Our players came out asleep and it cost us the game. 

Yep. I was being charitable. At the end of the second we were in front after a storming eight goal quarter. Start of the third was our chance to come out red hot and make a statement.

[DemonOX 8,791]

Errors, errors f u c k I n g ERRORS. 

When will this ever bloody change ffs. 

It kills us every time.